SURVEY: Brexit, do you support it?

[Kwasaki]

Economist Brexit poll of polls reporting

Remain 51%

Out 40%

Undecided 9%

I give up trying to have a serious discussion here. Too much ill informed bile. Embarrassing that my countrymen know so little history

With respect don't see what history has to do with it, to me it's just a simply case of whether English people living in England want their country they live in to rule itself or belong to a sort of club.

"don't see what history has to do with it" - QED

You repeat the quote exactly right, well done.

[Kwasaki]

http://www.economist.com/Brexit

This gives pretty much all the info you need to make an informed decision

Please read and digest!

Que Sera Sera.

[TommyUK1960]

I will be Voting to leave the EU. I don't believe for one minute the powers that be are going to let us leave. I have a bet on that the UK will be staying in the EU, this is a bet I want to lose.

Brussels can see if we are allowed to leave it will be the start of the end. More countries will follow.

As for the value of the Pound it could lose some value but I see it gaining in the long run as EU becomes more unstable.

If Brussels manages to fudge the referendum vote and we stay I, I want to see Merkel removed completely.

I want to see the EU move towards putting European people first.

End to the White genocide.

[SheungWan]

I will be Voting to leave the EU. I don't believe for one minute the powers that be are going to let us leave. I have a bet on that the UK will be staying in the EU, this is a bet I want to lose.

Brussels can see if we are allowed to leave it will be the start of the end. More countries will follow.

As for the value of the Pound it could lose some value but I see it gaining in the long run as EU becomes more unstable.

If Brussels manages to fudge the referendum vote and we stay I, I want to see Merkel removed completely.

I want to see the EU move towards putting European people first.

End to the White genocide.

You are going to win a lot of money with your bet. Enough to be able to retire comfortably to Thailand probably.

[Grouse]

I will be Voting to leave the EU. I don't believe for one minute the powers that be are going to let us leave. I have a bet on that the UK will be staying in the EU, this is a bet I want to lose.

Brussels can see if we are allowed to leave it will be the start of the end. More countries will follow.

As for the value of the Pound it could lose some value but I see it gaining in the long run as EU becomes more unstable.

If Brussels manages to fudge the referendum vote and we stay I, I want to see Merkel removed completely.

I want to see the EU move towards putting European people first.

End to the White genocide.

See how pound has been moving here

http://www.economist.com/Brexit

[Grouse]

Just going back to the correlation between education and Remain, I thought this was good:

There are only 10 types of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who don't......

[Celer et Audax]

It makes me laugh too much that some on here who pi**ed it up against the wall while they went to University think that anyone who has not been to Uni is uneducated. Do Thai students who go to Uni turn out educated? Do those in the USA that go to Uni yet still believe in creationism turn out educated?

I left school at 16, at 22 was a fighter pilot in the airforce, flew as a professional military pilot until 38, started three businesses, one training pilots, two selling aircraft, I can currently debate with any other person on the planet concerning quantum entanglement, have just been 'invited' and accepted for separate private meetings in the last week with the PM, Dep PM, Def Min and Dep Def Min in a local country to here and got bored after a while transferring more than 150k USD per month to myself as a token salary. All without a degree!! What a waste of a life and an uneducated person I am. Guess I have no right to comment on Brexit, I am not clever enough. Glad we have so many educated people on here that can tell non degree holders they are not smart enough to make the right decision. Guess I need to spend more time trying to improve myself and figuring out how to spend 150k USD a month from my stupid uneducated upbringing and career.

Minimum qualifications to be a fighter pilot in the US Air force is a Bachelor's degree.

https://www.airforce.com/careers/detail/pilot

And how prey tell do you know that this poster was in the US Airforce?

Please provide a link that confirm this! Otherwise stop nitpicking

[Grouse]

http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN0XA17D?irpc=932

Have a look at this

[MartinL]

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[MartinL]

Just going back to the correlation between education and Remain, I thought this was good:

There are only 10 types of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who don't......

Do you mean "There are only 0.69135 (to 5 dp) types of people in the world - 0 type understands naturaleeee, and the other doesn't"?

I'll probably vote Brexit.

[Grouse]

Just going back to the correlation between education and Remain, I thought this was good:

There are only 10 types of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who don't......

Do you mean "There are only 0.69135 (to 5 dp) types of people in the world - 0 type understands naturaleeee, and the other doesn't"?

I'll probably vote Brexit.

Exactly QED (I will be punished for this)

[Grouse]

Just going back to the correlation between education and Remain, I thought this was good:

There are only 10 types of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who don't......

Do you mean "There are only 0.69135 (to 5 dp) types of people in the world - 0 type understands naturaleeee, and the other doesn't"?

I'll probably vote Brexit.

Exactly QED (I will be punished for this)

It's gone very quiet! Unnaturally so. Almost 2 quiet!

Off topic but amusing!

[Grouse]

BTW Martin, bet you don't vote out!

Too much of a statistical outlier ?

[MartinL]

BTW Martin, bet you don't vote out!

Too much of a statistical outlier ?

I said "I'll probably vote Brexit". Nothing in life's 100%.

[Cook my sock]

Brexit

Wd it mean we have to pay more tax on imports from EU?

[chiang mai]

Will expat votes make the difference:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/26/if-british-expats-are-allowed-to-vote-they-could-very-well-swing/

[Grouse]

Chris Patton was on Radio 4's Today program this morning

Erudite justifications to remain

Total demolition of Brixiteers AGAIN

They also had Farage on. The contrast was hilarious

Patton was also dead against referendums generally - undermine parliamentary democracy and the last refuge of despots and dictators!

You will recall he was

Chancellor of Oxford University

Chairman of the BBC

Governor of Hong Kong

And now a Lord

So obviously a fool.....

[Cook my sock]

Patten

Chairman of BBC Trust, a glorified post which he gave up for supposed health reasons. He was also the last govenor of HK and handed the colony over to the Chinese. Most remember his daughters role in the handover, rather than him.

[dick dasterdly]

The only thing I've learned from this thread is that arguments from both sides are nothing other than opinion and fear mongering.

Its a shame, but it becomes more obvious that there is no way of knowing whether or not leaving the EU will benefit or harm the 'average' citizen. (I know it should be 'subject' rather than citizen - before anyone uses this to denigrate me as an uneducated, illiterate.)

The only thing we can look at factually is the current position - and as every fact is argued by the other side as wrong, this becomes v difficult too unless someone is prepared to spend MANY hours (days?) trawling through all the available info .

[dick dasterdly]

Chris Patton was on Radio 4's Today program this morning

Erudite justifications to remain

Total demolition of Brixiteers AGAIN

They also had Farage on. The contrast was hilarious

Patton was also dead against referendums generally - undermine parliamentary democracy and the last refuge of despots and dictators!

You will recall he was

Chancellor of Oxford University

Chairman of the BBC

Governor of Hong Kong

And now a Lord

So obviously a fool.....

Chris Patton is clearly part of 'the establishment' - but he brought his dogs back from Hong Kong to the UK, so he's not all bad .

[rogeroc]

On a very straightforward level,the UK is still fighting it's way out of recession. As such surely not a great idea to be coming out now (if ever).

[dick dasterdly]

On a very straightforward level,the UK is still fighting it's way out of recession. As such surely not a great idea to be coming out now (if ever).

The UK went into a recession (like many other economies) a long time ago. This is neither an argument for leaving or staying IMO.

[allanos]

TVF posters can opine on the Brexit/ Bremain conundrum (and which we have done) ad infinitum.

The more erudite posters can trot out Spectator and Economist opinions, "research" and

"statistics" (and we know that they follow "lies" and "damned lies") as much as they want.

The great and good, eminent persons and august bodies can also contribute for all they

are worth.

Are any of them having an impact on where it counts: Mrs Higgins who lives at number 43

down the road; i.e. "Joe Public", the man in the street? Because that is where this issue

will be finally resolved on 23rd June this year.

I have my doubts.

[Grouse]

Patten

Chairman of BBC Trust, a glorified post which he gave up for supposed health reasons. He was also the last govenor of HK and handed the colony over to the Chinese. Most remember his daughters role in the handover, rather than him.

Such generosity of spirit! I feel quite cheery after that ?

[dick dasterdly]

TVF posters can opine on the Brexit/ Bremain conundrum (and which we have done) ad infinitum.

The more erudite posters can trot out Spectator and Economist opinions, "research" and

"statistics" (and we know that they follow "lies" and "damned lies") as much as they want.

The great and good, eminent persons and august bodies can also contribute for all they

are worth.

Are any of them having an impact on where it counts: Mrs Higgins who lives at number 43

down the road; i.e. "Joe Public", the man in the street? Because that is where this issue

will be finally resolved on 23rd June this year.

I have my doubts.

Oh good, we've added another insult - erudite posters as opposed to only the uneducated etc. etc. that prefer to leave the UK .

And still no actual facts, as its all down to opinion and actual facts are just lies, damned lies and statistics - depending on which side of the fence is being argued.

[Grouse]

The only thing I've learned from this thread is that arguments from both sides are nothing other than opinion and fear mongering.

Its a shame, but it becomes more obvious that there is no way of knowing whether or not leaving the EU will benefit or harm the 'average' citizen. (I know it should be 'subject' rather than citizen - before anyone uses this to denigrate me as an uneducated, illiterate.)

The only thing we can look at factually is the current position - and as every fact is argued by the other side as wrong, this becomes v difficult too unless someone is prepared to spend MANY hours (days?) trawling through all the available info .

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21697253-britain-has-best-both-worlds-ins-and-outs

This is a portal to lots of useful info from The Economist. Trustworthy

[Grouse]

On a very straightforward level,the UK is still fighting it's way out of recession. As such surely not a great idea to be coming out now (if ever).

The UK went into a recession (like many other economies) a long time ago. This is neither an argument for leaving or staying IMO.

Rogeroc is correct. Last thing you need right now is uncertainty leading to instability

[Grouse]

TVF posters can opine on the Brexit/ Bremain conundrum (and which we have done) ad infinitum.

The more erudite posters can trot out Spectator and Economist opinions, "research" and

"statistics" (and we know that they follow "lies" and "damned lies") as much as they want.

The great and good, eminent persons and august bodies can also contribute for all they

are worth.

Are any of them having an impact on where it counts: Mrs Higgins who lives at number 43

down the road; i.e. "Joe Public", the man in the street? Because that is where this issue

will be finally resolved on 23rd June this year.

I have my doubts.

Yes, this is very real issue. The whole point of a parliamentary democracy is that we appoint members to act in our best interests

Referendums undermine this and the great unwashed can hold sway over a more knowledgeable minority

Churchill said that if you want the best reason why universal suffrage is a bad idea, just have a 5 minute conversation with an average voter

No way to put that politely

[Grouse]

TVF posters can opine on the Brexit/ Bremain conundrum (and which we have done) ad infinitum.

The more erudite posters can trot out Spectator and Economist opinions, "research" and

"statistics" (and we know that they follow "lies" and "damned lies") as much as they want.

The great and good, eminent persons and august bodies can also contribute for all they

are worth.

Are any of them having an impact on where it counts: Mrs Higgins who lives at number 43

down the road; i.e. "Joe Public", the man in the street? Because that is where this issue

will be finally resolved on 23rd June this year.

I have my doubts.

Oh good, we've added another insult - erudite posters as opposed to only the uneducated etc. etc. that prefer to leave the UK .

And still no actual facts, as its all down to opinion and actual facts are just lies, damned lies and statistics - depending on which side of the fence is being argued.

I have posted several links to useful information

If you won't read them, then, if the cap fits.....

[dick dasterdly]

The only thing I've learned from this thread is that arguments from both sides are nothing other than opinion and fear mongering.

Its a shame, but it becomes more obvious that there is no way of knowing whether or not leaving the EU will benefit or harm the 'average' citizen. (I know it should be 'subject' rather than citizen - before anyone uses this to denigrate me as an uneducated, illiterate.)

The only thing we can look at factually is the current position - and as every fact is argued by the other side as wrong, this becomes v difficult too unless someone is prepared to spend MANY hours (days?) trawling through all the available info .

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21697253-britain-has-best-both-worlds-ins-and-outs

This is a portal to lots of useful info from The Economist. Trustworthy

I did look that up, but was only allowed access to one 'article' before membership was demanded.

The one article I was able to read had something in it that made me laugh (almost) out loud as it was so obviously an establishment type argument. Wish I could remember what it was, but I can't .

Whilst working, the Economist was part of 'everyday' reading, and offered valuable insights - but often biased towards the financial sector. Typing that reminds me - it was something about the EU limiting bank bonuses (after the banks had brought so many countries to their knees) and how the UK was determined not to limit these bonuses.