Do you think Trump will be impeached or forced to resign?

[simple1]

2 hours ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Personally, I find your insulting posts repulsive. The US wont need such a party as your president has already taken measures to protect you from radical Islam.

Another member of the idiocracy? My current home country doesn't have a President. 

 

The ruling party, main opposition party, Head of Security Intelligence and Federal Police in Australia have all condemned far right groups as counter-productive for domestic security when endeavouring to address Islamist threats. I prefer to listen to the advice of the professionals, not prats from the far right.

[MrPatrickThai]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

Another member of the idiocracy? My current home country doesn't have a President. 

 

The ruling party, main opposition party, Head of Security Intelligence and Federal Police in Australia have all condemned far right groups as counter-productive for domestic security when endeavouring to address Islamist threats. I prefer to listen to the advice of the professionals, not prats from the far right.

I thought flaming posters was against the rules.

 

To answer an obvious question before - Trump banned people from certain Islamic countries. 

 

[simple1]

28 minutes ago, MrPatrickThai said:

<snip>

 

To answer an obvious question before - Trump banned people from certain Islamic countries. 

 

Trump's travel ban hasn't stopped Islamist attacks and planning within the US. His 'red meat' actions are contrary to the advice of his military advisers and the global security of the US.

 

Trump should desist with encouraging far right groups as well as interfering with the domestic security of the UK. Trump is unfit to be President of the USA.

Edited November 30, 2017 by simple1

[soalbundy]

7 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Trump's travel ban hasn't stopped Islamist attacks and planning within the US. His 'red meat' actions are contrary to the advice of his military advisers and the global security of the US.

 

Trump should desist with encouraging far right groups as well as interfering with the domestic security of the UK. Trump is unfit to be President of the USA.

but he would be a good president of the KKK

[Jsinbkk]

Trump has rope a doped the Left into defending Islamic Multiculturalism in the UK and the US. 

 

I suppose they will be chastising him next about late-term abortion and transexuals in the military. 

 

Hope the Loony Left enjoys the political wilderness. We sure enjoy the White House

 

 

[mogandave]

Enjoy it while you can because it won’t last long...impeach 45!!!!


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[Jsinbkk]

15 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Enjoy it while you can because it won’t last long...impeach 45!!!!


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Will do!

 

 

[F4UCorsair]

On 11/30/2017 at 2:15 PM, FritsSikkink said:

He might live long, he won't rule for long.

US Presidents don't rule....kings rule.

 

Yep, the wheels of justice are turning....more slowly each day, and grinding may be a more appropriate description.   Perhaps the wheels of justice have fallen off the wagon??

 

He's not going to be impeached and even the most enthusiastic supporters of that proposition a few months ago are now conceding that it's unlikely, or won't happen.  Ho hum, another few pages of the same rubbish.

Edited December 1, 2017 by F4UCorsair

[Jingthing]

Dementia?

 

"People close to Donald Trump say he has dementia, claims MSNBC host"

 

 

 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-dementia-mental-health-claims-msncb-morning-joe-scarborough-latest-a8085776.html?amp

 

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[Berkshire]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Dementia?

 

"People close to Donald Trump say he has dementia, claims MSNBC host"

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-dementia-mental-health-claims-msncb-morning-joe-scarborough-latest-a8085776.html?amp

 

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...or maybe something else. 

 

[Donald Trump is suffering from psychopathy and has a mental state that poses an “enormous present danger”, a clinical psychiatrist has said. 

The US President has psychosis and is “a very sick man”, said Dr Lance Dodes, a former assistant professor of clinical psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who now works for the Boston Psychoanalytic Society and Institute.]

[“The simple explanation for it, which people don’t want to hear, is that he’s not in control of himself. This is what we mean when we say that somebody is becoming psychotic or is briefly psychotic."

[He added: “All of his delusional ideas come up when he is stressed in some way, and then he loses track of reality because it doesn’t fit what he needs to believe.”

Dr Dodes said it was “an extremely dangerous thing” for a position of power to be held by someone who “appears so wantonly unconcerned about the welfare of others and willing to do anything to promote himself”.]

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-psychopath-psychosis-mental-health-danger-us-president-goldwater-rule-psychiatrist-a8084726.html

[Jingthing]

I have compassion for any human being suffering in such ways. But his sickness should not be imposed on the nation and the world. Get help and go away!

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[heybruce]

1 hour ago, F4UCorsair said:

US Presidents don't rule....kings rule.

 

Yep, the wheels of justice are turning....more slowly each day, and grinding may be a more appropriate description.   Perhaps the wheels of justice have fallen off the wagon??

 

He's not going to be impeached and even the most enthusiastic supporters of that proposition a few months ago are now conceding that it's unlikely, or won't happen.  Ho hum, another few pages of the same rubbish.

If Mueller is allowed to finish his investigation before the next election I think impeachment is likely, and it will be impeachment brought about by arrogance and stupidity.

 

Any person of any intelligence knows that if you want to keep your finances private you don't run for public office.  Trump either was too stupid to know this or so arrogant he thought he could get away with it.  The fact that conflict of interest and disclosure laws do not explicitly apply to the President gave him some hope that he could keep his business affairs private, but by stupidly appointing poorly vetted people who had a history of dealings with shady people from Russia and other countries, and who neglected to fill out security forms correctly, he opened the door to investigating Trump and family's business affairs.  By firing Colmey over "that Russia thing" he required this opening be used to conduct a thorough investigation.

 

Maybe an examination of Trump's finances will show no money laundering, assistance in sanction busting, tax evasion or other crimes, but  I doubt it.  Maybe Trump can get away with having Mueller fired and his findings suppressed, but I hope not.  I think the biggest question is whether the investigation can be finished and reported before the next election.

 

 

[Meljames]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

"People close to Donald Trump say he has dementia, claims MSNBC host"

 

 

Easy to believe. I question the validity of it though, seeing  who said it and his timing.

[Jingthing]

 
Easy to believe. I question the validity of it though, seeing  who said it and his timing.

Yeah but still easy to believe so it might be true. In any case he's bizarre and should not be president.

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[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Jsinbkk said:

Fine

 

President Pence sounds cool. God fearin', commie hating, no thank you to ladyboy bathrooms in our schools. 

 

Any way you look, freaks are out. It's back to the 50s. Pass the Coka Cola!

Commie hating?  But his boss is so fond of Russia, and seems to have an on-again, off-again thing going with China.

 

I don't like the idea of a President Pence, but at least he's stable and not an idiot.  Even though he'd be very bad, he'd still be an improvement.

[ballpoint]

The noose is tightening:

 

"Former Trump adviser Flynn pleads guilty to lying to FBI"

 

"The fact that Flynn was charged with, and is pleading guilty to, such a minor crime, suggests a bombshell of a deal with prosecutors," said Cornell law professor Jens Ohlin. "Flynn was facing serious criminal liability for a variety of alleged missteps, including his failure to register as an agent of a foreign power. If this is the entirety of the plea deal, the best explanation for why Mueller would agree to it is that Flynn has something very valuable to offer in exchange: damaging testimony on someone else.”

https://www.reuters.com/live/us-politics

[Destiny1990]

Its very obvious they are in with the Russians ..

[Scott]

A post in a foreign language has been removed.   Only English is allowed.  

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Scott said:

A post in a foreign language has been removed.   Only English is allowed.  

I googled the post before it was removed.  It was Russian and in response to the post about Flint pleading guilty to lying to the the FBI, and in English it was "They make an elephant out of a fly".  Perhaps Russians don't understand how these things work in the US.

 

There's an interesting article in this week's Economist on Russia's reaction to the meddling and investigation thing:  https://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21731882-hyperventilating-about-vladimir-putin-infuriates-russian-liberals-it-has-led

 

Sorry, I can't cut and paste a few lines summarizing the article, but I think it's worth reading.  One of the notable conclusions is that Russia didn't expect to actually influence the election; if the Russian government thought it could have done that it would have conducted a more disciplined campaign.  Instead it allowed a disorganized group of trolls to make nuisance posts in hopes of disrupting and discrediting the election. 

 

The remarkable success of the minimal effort comes at a price.  In the only noteworthy bi-partisan act since Trump's inauguration Congress has made sanctions already in place a law, eliminating Trump's ability to remove them without congressional approval.  Sanctions will now be more difficult to lift than if HRC had been elected.  Social media is under pressure to prevent fake new posts, and even if they do improve their own self-policing, laws may be put in place requiring the big internet companies to know who is paying for advertisements and to remove false, slanderous, inflammatory posts. 

 

For those who wish to use social media to disrupt democracy, this tactical victory is turning into a strategic defeat.  Also, any hope of improving relations between Russia and the US has been set back "yugely", as Trump might put it.

 

Oh yeah, the meddling also prompted investigations that are turning up illegal activities other than collusion, and charges are being filed whenever warranted.  We may finally get to see Trump's tax returns; they are certain to be part of his and his family's trials.

Edited December 1, 2017 by heybruce

[Jingthing]

Now it's to Jared Kushner!

As Fareed Zakaria just said -- "if it's Jared Kusher it's Donald trump."

You don't get closer to the president than Jared Kushner.

What are so many trumpies LYING about and trying to COVER up about the connections to RUSSIA? 

There is so much smoke now ... just a matter of finding the FIRE. 

Mueller is IN there. IN the white house. IN the trump white house. This certainly ain't over!

Edited December 1, 2017 by Jingthing

[lannarebirth]

24 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I googled the post before it was removed.  It was Russian and in response to the post about Flint pleading guilty to lying to the the FBI, and in English it was "They make an elephant out of a fly".  Perhaps Russians don't understand how these things work in the US.

 

There's an interesting article in this week's Economist on Russia's reaction to the meddling and investigation thing:  https://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21731882-hyperventilating-about-vladimir-putin-infuriates-russian-liberals-it-has-led

 

Sorry, I can't cut and paste a few lines summarizing the article, but I think it's worth reading.  One of the notable conclusions is that Russia didn't expect to actually influence the election; if the Russian government thought it could have done that it would have conducted a more disciplined campaign.  Instead it allowed a disorganized group of trolls to make nuisance posts in hopes of disrupting and discrediting the election. 

 

The remarkable success of the minimal effort comes at a price.  In the only noteworthy bi-partisan act since Trump's inauguration Congress has made sanctions already in place a law, eliminating Trump's ability to remove them without congressional approval.  Sanctions will now be more difficult to lift than if HRC had been elected.  Social media is under pressure to prevent fake new posts, and even if they do improve their own self-policing, laws may be put in place requiring the big internet companies to know who is paying for advertisements and to remove false, slanderous, inflammatory posts. 

 

For those who wish to use social media to disrupt democracy, this tactical victory is turning into a strategic defeat.  Also, any hope of improving relations between Russia and the US has been set back "yugely", as Trump might put it.

 

Oh yeah, the meddling also prompted investigations that are turning up illegal activities other than collusion, and charges are being filed whenever warranted.  We may finally get to see Trump's tax returns; they are certain to be part of his and his family's trials.

 

Don't count on "social media" to do the right thing, law or no law. They're making waaaay too much money.  This guy is dead on:

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-apple-facebook-google-should-be-broken-up-scott-galloway-2017-11

 

"The medium is the message".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[simple1]

11 hours ago, heybruce said:

If Mueller is allowed to finish his investigation before the next election I think impeachment is likely, and it will be impeachment brought about by arrogance and stupidity.

 

Any person of any intelligence knows that if you want to keep your finances private you don't run for public office.  Trump either was too stupid to know this or so arrogant he thought he could get away with it.  The fact that conflict of interest and disclosure laws do not explicitly apply to the President gave him some hope that he could keep his business affairs private, but by stupidly appointing poorly vetted people who had a history of dealings with shady people from Russia and other countries, and who neglected to fill out security forms correctly, he opened the door to investigating Trump and family's business affairs.  By firing Colmey over "that Russia thing" he required this opening be used to conduct a thorough investigation.

 

Maybe an examination of Trump's finances will show no money laundering, assistance in sanction busting, tax evasion or other crimes, but  I doubt it.  Maybe Trump can get away with having Mueller fired and his findings suppressed, but I hope not.  I think the biggest question is whether the investigation can be finished and reported before the next election.

What has generally flown under the radar was Trump's attempt to gain a licence to operate a casino in Sydney, Australia some years back. The Australian Federal Police advised the State Government against granting a licence as he had known business dealings with US mafia representatives. Trump has had business dealing with Russian owned offshore banks who are known to assist with money laundering for organised crime and corrupt officials from Russia.

[Scott]

A post with an aberrant spelling has been removed.   Continue and face a suspension.  

[Andaman Al]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Mueller is IN there. IN the white house. IN the trump white house. This certainly ain't over!

Exactly. There is absolutely NO REASON to display any leniency with Flynn unless Mueller wants to bring in a much bigger fish. The nothing burger just became a huge something double whopper burger. I wonder if Mueller will hand out the rest in short order now. This shows collusion was in fact real and Trump is in an oval office with no corners to hide in. The problem with Trump is he is not like Flynn, he simply will not care if Kushner and Donald Jr go down, he only cares about himself.

 

I wonder when Melania is going to pack her bags and leave? The heat in the White House will be white hot soon. I can't wait for the Trump weekend tweet storms.

[craigt3365]

BREAKING NEWS!

 

Sources: Kushner was the 'very senior' transition member

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/jared-kushner-michael-flynn-russia/index.html

 

Quote

 

A person familiar with the transition's effort on the UN vote said it was well-known and a collaborative effort by various transition officials, including Reince Priebus, Steve Bannon, Flynn and Kushner, adding that none of them "ordered" or "directed" the others and all were working towards the same goal of standing by Israel.

 

The court documents provide the clearest picture yet of coordination between Flynn and other Trump advisers in contacting Russian officials to influence international policy.

 

 

It's all a witch hunt! A big nothing burger!

 

I wonder how many are now regretting posting comments like that.

[Scott]

Inflammatory post reported and removed.  

[craigt3365]

Flynn pleads guilty to lying to FBI, is cooperating with Mueller

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.html

 

 

[craigt3365]

[opalred]

where do you think kushner has a holiday home

wouldn't be a country that has no extradition agreement with us

[Andaman Al]

So the Trump administration distanced themselves from Papadopulos, saying he was a minor player. How will they distance themselves from General Flynn? "Oh he wasn't important he was only National Security Advisor the the President for a short time"!

 

Trump and Kushner are in deep trouble. Now is the time for Trump to launch his attack on North Korea, it's the only way to create a distraction, and everyone in his administration who will be implicated in this will be fully supportive of him. You think he wouldn't sacrifice 5 million South Koreans to save his own ass............think again.