Australia paper defends Serena Williams cartoon despite outrage

[giddyup]

Just now, mauGR1 said:

Perhaps we should admit that it was 'racist art' and that the Australian cartoonists are the scourge of the planet, so that marcusarelus can find some peace of mind.

Would have thought he had plenty to keep him busy and enraged at home in the good old USofA.

[Spidey]

27 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

What does that have to do with racist art in Australia?  Yes there is racism in America and we know it.  Yes there is racism in Australia and you are unaware of it.  OK .  We understand. 

You claimed that Australia was more racist than America, You have certainly got that wrong.

[marcusarelus]

21 minutes ago, giddyup said:

As well as a disproportionate number of innocent blacks killed by trigger happy policeman who suffer no repercussions for the crime. marcusarelus seems to turn a blind eye to that. I know which is more offensive to blacks. Clean up your own backyard before complaining about Australia.

No it's terrible.  What does that have to do with Australia.  Is it some kind of new requirement than one has to be problem free before criticism of others?  News to me.  Did Britain have to be without sin before criticism of Hitler?  14% of America's population is blacks with a slave family background who were persecuted far more than an equivalent number in Australia.  20,000 white men died in three days of battle trying to preserve slavery.  Nothing like that has ever happened in Australia.  And Australia does not have statues on State Capital lawns celebrating the men who tried to preserve slavery now does it?  It is quite a different backyard.  But that cartoon is still racist and Aussies have not a clue that it is.  That's a fact.  Should I apologize to you for America's shortcomings in race relations from the Civil War to now?  I somehow don't think you are the correct person to accept that apology. 

[marcusarelus]

3 minutes ago, Spidey said:

You claimed that Australia was more racist than America, You have certainly got that wrong.

You are not telling the truth.  I never said that.  Take it back.  Or I will tell.

[marcusarelus]

30 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Only seen as racist by those who want to see racism in everything they view...………..

 

 

For others who see past this, it is a form of mirthful art!!

Check out Ferris State University there is a whole museum there of racist art for you to look at and it is not seen as mirthful art. 

[DrTuner]

Are we still outraged by this one or has something juicier to get offended by shown up? Hard to follow these days, so many things to choose from.

[marcusarelus]

Just now, DrTuner said:

Are we still outraged by this one or has something juicier to get offended by shown up? Hard to follow these days, so many things to choose from.

Try the espresso one.

[tifino]

average aussie Fred Nerks are more concerned with reverse-racism... for example 'they' are trying to remove historical white figures (such as John Batman) from our history books

[Spidey]

Just now, marcusarelus said:

You are not telling the truth.  I never said that.  Take it back.  Or I will tell.

Oh so you admit that Americans are more racist than Australians.

 

Which is worse to be very racist and aware of it, or slightly racist and unaware of it.

 

BTW. I think that you are mistaking Aussie racism for Aussie irreverence. Everybody but EVERYBODY gets the sharp end of an Aussie's whit. I get called a Pommie pooftah on an hourly basis by my Aussie mates. And much much worse. It's just their way of telling me that they like me.

[Psimbo]

On 9/12/2018 at 9:34 AM, lovelomsak said:

A good racist analyst would probably call  Williams behavior racist. She could not stand to lose to an Asian and could not control her emotions.

I take it you are aware that Osaka is a US national as well?

[tifino]

Just now, Psimbo said:

I take it you are aware that Osaka is a US national as well?

aha, and now you can see how the coin really dropped!

 

 

Serena is her self as much a racist as the next bunny! 

[marcusarelus]

13 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Oh so you admit that Americans are more racist than Australians.

 

Which is worse to be very racist and aware of it, or slightly racist and unaware of it.

 

BTW. I think that you are mistaking Aussie racism for Aussie irreverence. Everybody but EVERYBODY gets the sharp end of an Aussie's whit. I get called a Pommie pooftah on an hourly basis by my Aussie mates. And much much worse. It's just their way of telling me that they like me.

All I said was that that cartoon is racist and the Australians don't know it.  I don't know how you measure the amount of racism in countries with drastically different minority populations and history.  And, no.  I'm not mistaking anything.  That cartoon is racist and you don't have a clue that it is.  That's a fact. 

 

I know.  I don't understand Thai people or Australians.  Ya right. 

[marcusarelus]

14 minutes ago, tifino said:

aha, and now you can see how the coin really dropped!

Serena is her self as much a racist as the next bunny! 

Good point.  Is the thread about Serena's racism?  I don't think she is an Aussie cartoonist is she? 

[planemad]

Which is the cartoon?

[tifino]

sometimes the demarcation gets a bit blurred!

 

I reckon Mark K did a pretty close rendition of her...

[marcusarelus]

5 minutes ago, tifino said:

sometimes the demarcation gets a bit blurred!

 

 

I reckon Mark K did a pretty close rendition of her...

Now we have racist cartoons and racist photos and you don't have a clue do you?  That is what has been my contention. 

[xylophone]

37 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Check out Ferris State University there is a whole museum there of racist art for you to look at and it is not seen as mirthful art. 

No doubt put together by those of a like mind to you...………..their passion is looking for racism in everything they see.

 

And there is a difference between something that is racist and something that caricatures the subject!

[marcusarelus]

2 minutes ago, xylophone said:

No doubt put together by those of a like mind to you...………..their passion is looking for racism in everything they see.

And there is a difference between something that is racist and something that caricatures the subject!

More to the point there is a difference between insensitive Australians males and men from most other parts of the civilized world.  It was put together by people interested in American history.  You never had a period like that in Australian history and Jim Crow did not exist in Australia so you know nothing about him as Australians tend to be quite provincial. 

[DrTuner]

17 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Now we have racist cartoons and racist photos 

Hmmm. True, somebody should tell Serena to stay out of the photos, too racist.

[Rimmer]

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[giddyup]

1 hour ago, marcusarelus said:

More to the point there is a difference between insensitive Australians males and men from most other parts of the civilized world.  It was put together by people interested in American history.  You never had a period like that in Australian history and Jim Crow did not exist in Australia so you know nothing about him as Australians tend to be quite provincial. 

Blah, blah, blah. You are just repeating the same old mantra. The cartoon is pretty much identical to the actual photo of Serena "spitting the dummy", in fact very little is exaggerated. You are beating a dead horse and you know it.

[marcusarelus]

12 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Blah, blah, blah. You are just repeating the same old mantra. The cartoon is pretty much identical to the actual photo of Serena "spitting the dummy", in fact very little is exaggerated. You are beating a dead horse and you know it.

Australians often find it unclear why such things as Knight's cartoon are considered racist. Less than a decade ago, we couldn't understand why singer Harry Connick, Jr. was offended by a blackface performance during a TV show.

These things are intended as gentle humor, in good spirit, and expected to be taken that way.

The Herald-Sun is full of such casual racism, along with a lot of other idiocies. I read it almost every day, starting with the always entertaining letters to the editor, where the ignorant and misinformed produce tyrannical and byzantine solutions to the world's problems. 

CNN Australia is the nicest racist country you will ever see.

 

You don't get it.  The rest of the world sees you for what you are but you go along blissfully ignorant of how others see you and when presented with another news story like the one above you will find another reason not to acknowledge it as being true. 

 

No skin off my nose but you are only kidding yourself.

[AboutThaim]

On 9/13/2018 at 9:39 AM, marcusarelus said:

A typical example of Australian casual racism.  That is what I found interesting that Australians don't have a clue how the rest of the world feels about their racists attitude.  Chink restaurants is the same. 

I think Aussies know very well how the rest of the world feels about their racist attitude.  The ones that don't jump on the bandwagon pointing out something is racist, sexist, religist, couldn't give a toss what others think.  They can accept racist slurs, being called "honkeys", etc, without getting their nose out of joint.  On the other hand you have those who must point out everything that could possibly be construed as (see above) because they feel it's popular and makes them feel superior in their knowledge I suppose.

I find it strange how so many people, women in particular, are up in arms over comments made regarding Muslims.  Are they really in favour of keeping women suppressed, e.g. must cover up completely in public, must be accompanied by a male family member in public, not permitted to drive cars, not allowed education, the list goes on. Can be stoned to death for adultery even if raped.

Personally I'd rather side with the people that are against a religion that promotes this treatment of women. I think a lot of the good Muslims would protest against some of their more radical members words and actions and the rules if they didn't fear the consequences of doing so.

[marcusarelus]

2 minutes ago, AboutThaim said:

I think Aussies know very well how the rest of the world feels about their racist attitude.  The ones that don't jump on the bandwagon pointing out something is racist, sexist, religist, couldn't give a toss what others think.  They can accept racist slurs, being called "honkeys", etc, without getting their nose out of joint.  On the other hand you have those who must point out everything that could possibly be construed as (see above) because they feel it's popular and makes them feel superior in their knowledge I suppose.

I find it strange how so many people, women in particular, are up in arms over comments made regarding Muslims.  Are they really in favour of keeping women suppressed, e.g. must cover up completely in public, must be accompanied by a male family member in public, not permitted to drive cars, not allowed education, the list goes on. Can be stoned to death for adultery even if raped.

Personally I'd rather side with the people that are against a religion that promotes this treatment of women. I think a lot of the good Muslims would protest against some of their more radical members words and actions and the rules if they didn't fear the consequences of doing so.

Who calls Australians honkeys? 

[Spidey]

1 hour ago, marcusarelus said:

All I said was that that cartoon is racist and the Australians don't know it.  I don't know how you measure the amount of racism in countries with drastically different minority populations and history.  And, no.  I'm not mistaking anything.  That cartoon is racist and you don't have a clue that it is.  That's a fact. 

 

I know.  I don't understand Thai people or Australians.  Ya right. 

Or Brits, or just about any other nationality.

 

You don't have a clue what racism means, you've probably never been subjected to it. I have and I'm telling you that the cartoon isn't racist and that's a fact!

[Spidey]

1 hour ago, marcusarelus said:

Now we have racist cartoons and racist photos and you don't have a clue do you?  That is what has been my contention. 

Racist photos? Now you really have lost the plot!

 

Quit whilst you're behind.

[marcusarelus]

14 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Or Brits, or just about any other nationality.

 

You don't have a clue what racism means, you've probably never been subjected to it. I have and I'm telling you that the cartoon isn't racist and that's a fact!

What the rest of the world thinks.

 

'Repugnant, racist': News Corp cartoon on Serena Williams condemned

Australia is by most measures one of the world's most successful multicultural societies, but a controversial cartoon of Serena Williams has rekindled accusations it is also inveterately racist.

"There is an element in Australian society that is racist," said John Blaxland, a professor of International Security at the Australian National University
 

The Serena cartoon debate: calling out racism is not ‘censorship

What we don’t get is why that should necessitate drawing Williams with lips the size of a baboon, a nose the width of the Mississippi and the tongue of a camel. Satire involves humorous exaggeration, irony and ridicule. It is not a cover for any and every careless, racist stereotype an illustrator cares to indulge in.

Knight and his editors have yet to grasp the distinction between satire and cliche. When you uncritically, and ostensibly unwittingly, recycle a centuries-old image that both demeans and degrades, you do not practise satire – you peddle cliche

I am truly perplexed to learn this editor of the Australian newspaper behind the blatantly racist & misogynistic cartoon of my wife

 

There's little doubt that Knight grossly exaggerated the nose and lips of Williams for the same reason he exaggerates the physical characteristics of most of his cartoons' subjects: They are caricatures, and, as such, he targets differences and explodes them. But he must have been aware of, and deliberately ignored, the historical echoes of his cartoon -- the exaggerated lips and nose reminiscent of racist depictions of black people in the United States during Jim Crow.

 

 

 

[Spidey]

2 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

What the rest of the world thinks.

 

'Repugnant, racist': News Corp cartoon on Serena Williams condemned

Australia is by most measures one of the world's most successful multicultural societies, but a controversial cartoon of Serena Williams has rekindled accusations it is also inveterately racist.

"There is an element in Australian society that is racist," said John Blaxland, a professor of International Security at the Australian National University
 

The Serena cartoon debate: calling out racism is not ‘censorship

What we don’t get is why that should necessitate drawing Williams with lips the size of a baboon, a nose the width of the Mississippi and the tongue of a camel. Satire involves humorous exaggeration, irony and ridicule. It is not a cover for any and every careless, racist stereotype an illustrator cares to indulge in.

Knight and his editors have yet to grasp the distinction between satire and cliche. When you uncritically, and ostensibly unwittingly, recycle a centuries-old image that both demeans and degrades, you do not practise satire – you peddle cliche

I am truly perplexed to learn this editor of the Australian newspaper behind the blatantly racist & misogynistic cartoon of my wife

 

There's little doubt that Knight grossly exaggerated the nose and lips of Williams for the same reason he exaggerates the physical characteristics of most of his cartoons' subjects: They are caricatures, and, as such, he targets differences and explodes them. But he must have been aware of, and deliberately ignored, the historical echoes of his cartoon -- the exaggerated lips and nose reminiscent of racist depictions of black people in the United States during Jim Crow.

 

 

 

You've just quoted an Australian. I thought that Australians weren't aware that they are racist.

 

Also a professor of international security, does that make him an expert on racism?

 

Nothing from the rest of the world. How about a Chinaman, Indian or Russian?

[marcusarelus]

1 minute ago, Spidey said:

You've just quoted an Australian. I thought that Australians weren't aware that they are racist.

 

Also a professor of international security, does that make him an expert on racism?

 

Nothing from the rest of the world. How about a Chinaman, Indian or Russian?

I have quoted a number of people from around the world in this thread and they are available to anyone with google as you very well know.  Not everyone is Australia is a racist bigot.  Most are gentlemen who are acquainted with the rest of the world. 

 

You can't even ask a question without being vile "Chinaman."  Of course it's OK in Australia eh? I guess you are as naive as you pretend so take a look at the video below. 

 

 

 

[utalkin2me]

She has won so often in her career that she is used to it, and when she loses she behaves in a way that should embarass a three year old. 

 

Somebody then drew a cartoon of her misbehaving. A funny one at that. 

 

Some people then remarked the cartoon was racist, when in reality it was simply an accurate and humorous depiction of what actually happened. 

 

That is it, nothing more to see here.