Expat group launches online petition calling for TM.30 to be scrapped

[Guderian]

Nice to see expats doing something positive, instead of just bending back over the table and asking, "Your vaseline or mine, sir?"

[brewsterbudgen]

     TM30 has been in the law since 1979, but only enforced since 2018.
   It's only purpose has been an IMMIGRATION CASH COW. at 1600 baht to register, anybody ever checked where that money ended up.

It's free to register. The fine is applied to those that haven't.

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[Burma Bill]

4 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

It was never enforced in the past. You might find you need one now, when you go to Immigration for your annual Extension.

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Thank you, but I have since been informed that on my travels, the hotel does the TM30 when I check in. I do not have to do anything.

[JimmyTheMook]

Prolly should have asked for 1000 signatures 

looks like 10k is gonna be one helluva reach.....

 

Better approach? submit the story to some foreign media outlets

as a tidbit on Thai tourism practices and their dislike of having them

enter the Kingdom.

 

 

[RBOP]

I've hired an agent to help me convert my Non-Imm IB visa to Retirement. The first question the agent asked me was have you filed a TM30? My answer, No, as One-Stop doesn't need one. Agent reply, ok you might get fined 2,400 baht (800 / person). 

Add to my list of items:

15. Prepare more money, check.

[Mansell]

14 hours ago, phuketrichard said:

not to mention that your signing a petition that is Against something the thai officials came up with>
nothing good can come of that
wont see my name there>

 

Because you are afraid of what? Man up and sign the damn thing.

[RBOP]

3 minutes ago, Burma Bill said:

Thank you, but I have since been informed that on my travels, the hotel does the TM30 when I check in. I do not have to do anything.

When you return to your homebase you will have to report.

[law ling]

Seems to me that the authorities may find a blanket request that "foreigners need not report their changes of address",  as more suspicious then it sounds (rather than just being supremely impractical under the current system; which is what I assume motivates the petition). Better to press for an easier reporting system. (Tip: Change won't happen - it's revenue driven - the fines are too attractive - a "river of gold" - why would they turn that off?)

[BestB]

With all the usual bitching and moaning , the moaners and know it all experts failed to see or just read that the whole petition is not a close end letter but an open letter , an invitation to dialogue where foreigners can interact with immigration to express opinions or make suggestions. 

 

Accepting this invitation does not guarantee any results but it also does not cause any loss of face for immigration .

 

all you moaners commenting on better English need to understand English part is written for you only , not for immigration . If you that bothered about English  and you are such experts , read it in thai and then bitch some more if you do not like the language used.

 

better yet, instead of bitching  and criticising , how about your offer your precious time to make a better one?

 

you sure have enough time to bitch here , no doubt can find time to assist.

 

But if you do not care and not interested , once again instead of bitching and critisizing, how about you offer some support for the person/people who got off their fat ass and try to do something, invested their time and money to make things better for others.

 

[Joe Mcseismic]

5 minutes ago, Mansell said:

Because you are afraid of what? Man up and sign the damn thing.

So.....anyone that doesn't sign the petition is afraid and not worthy of being called a man.

I'd sign a petition for your deportation in a flash. It would increase the average IQ of the expat community 

[tominbkk]

49 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

Melodramatic twaddle.

Tend to agree.  the TM30 is a pain but I have always found it super simple living here, providing you are following the rules as stipulated by whichever visa you have chosen to live here under.  The only thing is the time it takes away from my working day to process, but it is not that bad and if it is going to catch some people trying to cheat the system then I am ok with it.

[FarFlungFalang]

1 hour ago, Lee65 said:

Relax everyone.  Positive change has always been brought about by the small minority who are courageous.

 

The majority of humans are lazy and cowardly and leech off the few who do the work.

 

You might ask yourself which group you are in.

Your post contains erroneous statements,and I might not ask myself which group I'm in.

[Burma Bill]

2 minutes ago, RBOP said:

When you return to your homebase you will have to report.

Sorry, never had to and never will (hopefully). Personally, in almost 20 years I have never seen a TM30. Hypothetical situations:- I return home in the early hours of a Saturday and, like today, Monday is a public holiday. So, I report to Immigration on Tuesday - will I get fined for a 3 day delay in reporting my return? In another situation, I could return home on Saturday, then be on my travels again today (public holiday) without even being able to report my arrival back home before departing again. It is all totally ridiculous and I shall continue as I always have done!

[Peterw42]

19 minutes ago, JimmyTheMook said:

Prolly should have asked for 1000 signatures 

looks like 10k is gonna be one helluva reach.....

 

Better approach? submit the story to some foreign media outlets

as a tidbit on Thai tourism practices and their dislike of having them

enter the Kingdom.

 

 

The petition currently has over 1,000 signatures and its only been running for a couple of days. When I first checked it last night it was just over 500. There are 80 people currently browsing this thread.

[zydeco]

15 hours ago, Roy Baht said:

That will be Thai Immigration's response to this petition.

Or they will require you to report in person, instead of mailing or online registration, to your nearest immigration office to fill out the TM 30 within 6 hours, instead of 24, of deplaning and up the fine to 4000 baht.

[Isaanbiker]

    See you later in detention! 

[Jumbo1968]

3 minutes ago, Burma Bill said:

Sorry, never had to and never will (hopefully). Personally, in almost 20 years I have never seen a TM30. Hypothetical situations:- I return home in the early hours of a Saturday and, like today, Monday is a public holiday. So, I report to Immigration on Tuesday - will I get fined for a 3 day delay in reporting my return? In another situation, I could return home on Saturday, then be on my travels again today (public holiday) without even being able to report my arrival back home before departing again. It is all totally ridiculous and I shall continue as I always have done!

I enquired at Jomtien, I am on the defunct Multi Entry Visa, the lady informed because I am onthat type of Visa I need too Report. If I was on an Extension of Stay/Retirement Visa there wouldn’t be a requirement too report.

[Bangkok Barry]

39 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

I am married to a Thai and dont do either of these things.  Are you unaware of a 1 year marriage extension.

It appears you choose not to take up a long-stay option. Thats your choice but there is a long stay option. 

 

Which involves keeping a substantial sum of money in the bank here, something that, strangely, isn't required of Thais.

[RBOP]

2 minutes ago, Burma Bill said:

Sorry, never had to and never will (hopefully). Personally, in almost 20 years I have never seen a TM30. Hypothetical situations:- I return home in the early hours of a Saturday and, like today, Monday is a public holiday. So, I report to Immigration on Tuesday - will I get fined for a 3 day delay in reporting my return? In another situation, I could return home on Saturday, then be on my travels again today (public holiday) without even being able to report my arrival back home before departing again. It is all totally ridiculous and I shall continue as I always have done!

Good on ya Burma Bill. Hope you can keep doing what your doing ????. But people like me with roots here cant skirt the issue ????. 

[Joe Mcseismic]

2 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

The petition currently has over 1,000 signatures and its only been running for a couple of days. When I first checked it last night it was just over 500. There are 80 people currently browsing this thread.

Same as another petition done here a few years back. Started out fast (all the low hanging fruit) and pretty much stopped at around 3500.

Expect the same to happen here. For many, many expats here, the TM30 is just not that problematic as an issue.

[THE REVERAND]

Ignorance is bliss. This is The THAI PHILOSOPHY for The Thai Army Government.

[transam]

19 minutes ago, BestB said:

With all the usual bitching and moaning , the moaners and know it all experts failed to see or just read that the whole petition is not a close end letter but an open letter , an invitation to dialogue where foreigners can interact with immigration to express opinions or make suggestions. 

 

Accepting this invitation does not guarantee any results but it also does not cause any loss of face for immigration .

 

all you moaners commenting on better English need to understand English part is written for you only , not for immigration . If you that bothered about English  and you are such experts , read it in thai and then bitch some more if you do not like the language used.

 

better yet, instead of bitching  and criticising , how about your offer your precious time to make a better one?

 

you sure have enough time to bitch here , no doubt can find time to assist.

 

But if you do not care and not interested , once again instead of bitching and critisizing, how about you offer some support for the person/people who got off their fat ass and try to do something, invested their time and money to make things better for others.

 

Well you're on your usual bitching form today...????

[Bangkok Barry]

20 minutes ago, BestB said:

 

all you moaners commenting on better English need to understand English part is written for you only , not for immigration . If you that bothered about English  and you are such experts , read it in thai and then bitch some more if you do not like the language used.

 

You've been here too long and now accept near enough is good enough.

[Jonathan Fairfield]

11 hours ago, plfomylo said:

hello,

 

just found this, do you think that it will be successful ? Reform Thai immigration laws , do you think that it's possible ?

 

But a big question is to know why Thaivisa is not helping us ? The biggest community should be the one with balls !

 

http://www.richardbarrow.com/2019/07/sign-the-petition-to-reform-thai-immigration-and-article-37/

 

http://reform-thai-immigration.com/

 

anyway, it's good to try and at least the guy working for TAT and the Esaan lawyers did something useful for the first time of their lives !

 

Cheers !

 

 

 

 

 

What makes you think Thaivisa isn't helping?

 

Thaivisa has given this petition more publicity than anywhere else. It's not only featured on our website - in this very thread - it's been included in our newsletter and posted on all our social media accounts 

 

In fact, since Thaivisa posted about the petition, the number of people who have signed has about tripled. 

 

 

[schlemmi]

Article 37 (3) (4) states the foreinger has to report to the local police station. It does not state has to report to the Immigrarion. It also allows the exception for those foringers staying under the reasons defined in Article 34.
That all has to be done under the conditions  defined in the "Police rules" (ระเบียบกรมตำรวจ). This rules have to be released by the "Chief of the police" (อธิบดีกรมตำรวจ). As far i only could find a very old release from the year 2522 directely after the 1st revision
of the Immigration Act was released.

About TM30 its the duty of the Housemaster to report. It is not your duty as in the state of the foringn person. But it cold be that you are the Housemaster too, both in one person. 
Even more article 37 does not state the Housemaster has to report each time new if the foreigner travels somewhere and comes back home.
I agree it could be the officers are under pressure to bring results and may be money collected by fines. But that is only a feeling and nothing with evidence written on a paper. The only that count is the text in the law and the immigration and the local police has to stick to it without any changes and individual interpretions of the actual law.

[spidermike007]

Any pushback and resistance we can muster up, against this heinous, corrupt and incompetent administration, is a good thing. They sure deserve that. And it cannot hurt. Maybe it will wake up a few people. Who knows?

 

If their mission is to get rid of the ex-pat community, as I suspect it is, of course it will mean nothing to them. The trick is to get the Thai wives involved. If we could get a massive collective of Thai wives of foreigners to lobby for us, that might have some real impact. They are not political. But, perhaps by now, they might be angry enough to do something. 

[Burma Bill]

35 minutes ago, Myran said:

That's the case for pretty much everyone in the past, but things have changed. They're clamping down on the TM30 and people have been refused to apply for extensions because the house owner hasn't done the TM30. Some offices are more lenient, but there's no telling if they're gonna get orders to be more strict. The petition is absolutely for you, if you care about what happens tomorrow rather than just today.

Thank you - but no signature. I renewed my visa extension only 3 months ago and no TM30 was mentioned. As always, I presented a letter (in English - not Thai) from my landlady stating I am a tenant in one of her bungalows on an rural Isaan estate, also giving my name, dob and passport number. Attached to this letter was a copy of the bungalow book and a copy of the landlady's ID.  All were accepted by Immigration. By the way, the landlady issued the letter almost 5 years ago and all I do is produce a copy of it.

[newatthis]

2 hours ago, jackdd said:

Was quoted in this topic here before: http://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/thai-immigration-act-temporary-stay-in-the-kingdom-sections-34-39/

It's basically every foreigner who entered Thailand legally.

How does a retired person come under S 34?

 

Section 34

Aliens entering into the kingdom for a temporary stay may enter for the below listed activities:

1. Diplomatic or Consular Missions
2. Performance of official duties
3. Touring
4. Sporting
5. Business
6. Investing under the concurrence of the Ministries and Departments concerned.
7. Investing or other activities relating to investing subject to the provisions of the law on investment promotion.
8. Transit journey.
9. Being the person in charge of the crew of a conveyance coming to port, station, or area in the Kingdom.
10. Study or observation.
11. Mass media.
12. Missionary work under the concurrence of the Ministries and departments concerned.
13. Scientific research or training or teach in a Research Institute in the Kingdom.
14. The practice of skilled handicraft or as a specialist
15. Other activities as prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations.

 

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