Online petition calling for TM30 to be scrapped gains momentum

[brewsterbudgen]

For once and for all the TM 30 does not affect farangs other than those that own their accommodation. The fine does not fall upon the farang if not done. This is a Thai thing really and I really can't see why people/farangs are getting so upset about it.
If the landlord fails to pay the bloody fine then it's still nothing to do with the farang in relation to paying it. Close this stupid thread. All a storm in a tea cup.

Unfortunately in practice it doesn't work like that. If there is no TM30 on file for the residence you rent or own, it is now not possible to process an annual extension. I agree the Thai landlord is responsible but if your extension is not processed you're on overstay. Better to pay the fine, self-file a TM30, and then deduct the fine from your rent.

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[FarFlungFalang]

7 minutes ago, lkv said:

TM30 does not affect tourism.

 

Tourists spend an average of 10 days, they are not responsible for TM30's, hotels are.

 

The only way a tourist may find out of the existance of this would be if he was touring for 90 days, and tried to extend at day 60.

 

Even then, it's not his responsability.

 

Tourism is driven by other things.

I think you'll find that what you say also applies to long term stayers it's the hotels that are responsible for TM30 yet people say they are getting fined.If you could post a link which shows how the distinction between short and long term foreigners is made that would be excellent. 

[Lupusthai]

19 minutes ago, zhangxifu said:

 

But what has your guest mobile have to do with TM30?

Now you have two different logins for a single residence? For what purpose? I am surprised it was issued. Why not to simply share the one?

Has your housebook been marked/ named for jaobaan/housemaster? This is not a tm30 issue.



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If you would read my post you quoted, I wrote:
"Reading a lot about the problems other expats encounter with registering their tm30, I became curious what would happen when another person registers as living in my house..."
 

You asked me: "What is guest mobile?" - I just answered your question....

[lkv]

23 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I think you'll find that what you say also applies to long term stayers it's the hotels that are responsible for TM30 yet people say they are getting fined.If you could post a link which shows how the distinction between short and long term foreigners is made that would be excellent. 

A tourist would be fined / or refused extension, only if that tourist interacted with Immigration, to apply for a 30 day extension, of a 60 day stay.

 

I don't understand what link you'd like me to provide.....

Edited August 7, 2019 by lkv

[RBOP]

34 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

How does the TM30 make money?

Its a sleazy way to milk foreigners and here's how it works. They expect most foreigners will not be able to comply so its an easy way to make money.

 

Currently its practically impossible to report within 24 hours especially when some been waiting 9 weeks for a password. So when a foreigner goes to immigration to do a 90 days report or apply for a visa extension, immigration will ask for a TM30. If you can't produce one your 90 day report and/or extension will not be accepted untill someone pays the fine. After paying the fine you will get your TM30. When I was fined last week (for not reporting myself and my 2 family) there was about 400 people ahead of me in the TM30 queue. 

 

Sleazy isn't it. 

[zhangxifu]

If you would read my post you quoted, I wrote:
"Reading a lot about the problems other expats encounter with registering their tm30, I became curious what would happen when another person registers as living in my house..."
 
You asked me: "What is guest mobile?" - I just answered your question....

Thats why I said your post is really confusing and hard to follow.

You can do unlimited tm30s to unlimited number of people on the logins you have received.

It turns out you have asked another set of logins just for your amusement? Rather odd thing to do if you ask me. Hence my question, What’s the point. I will just leave it to this then as You have not revealed any point after several posts.


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[RBOP]

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

Lots of conspiracies here, moon landing or flat earth anyone ?

Yes, and there are no scandals in LOS. 

[oslooskar]

20 minutes ago, RBOP said:

So when a foreigner goes to immigration to do a 90 days report or apply for a visa extension, immigration will ask for a TM30. If you can't produce one your 90 day report and/or extension will not be accepted untill someone pays the fine. After paying the fine you will get your TM30. When I was fined last week (for not reporting myself and my 2 family) there was about 400 people ahead of me in the TM30 queue. 

 

Sleazy isn't it. 

That's strange? I just did my 90 days report last week on the first and there was absolutely no mention whatsoever of a TM.30 form. In fact, I was in and out of immigration in less than 2 minutes and the only paper I submitted there was a TM.47 form.

[DrTuner]

Didn't sign for two reasons: a) the privacy statement isn't detailed enough for me b) I don't think it's the TM30 that's the problem, it's the blocked PR route.

 

Fixing the symptom instead of the cause. Good luck anyway, I'll follow with general interest on how immigration responds, if at all. IIRC there was supposed to be some discussion panel already?

[DrTuner]

There's also a silver lining to the TM30, that being if the AirBnB hosts are somehow forced to report, it'll be easy to see the rental periods are under a month, making it illegal. Of course they can't be arsed to do TM30's, but in theory.

[Janner1]

12 hours ago, champers said:

Sorry, but I will not put my name to a document dissenting against a Government policy that will then be doing the rounds of several Government departments. A military Government at that.

Buk,bukbukbuk bukak bukbukbuk

But you will accept the benefit if the courageous who live here are successful.

[IvorBiggun2]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

If there is no TM30 on file for the residence you rent or own, it is now not possible to process an annual extension.

I've heard of no one that has been refused an extension due to ones landlord not reporting. If you can show a link I'd be most happy. No see, no believe.

 

22 minutes ago, oslooskar said:

I just did my 90 days report last week on the first and there was absolutely no mention whatsoever of a TM.30 form. 

You may find it a little different when it comes to do your annual extension. Might be best get it done before then in the hope they then overlook it.

[champers]

6 minutes ago, Janner1 said:

Buk,bukbukbuk bukak bukbukbuk

But you will accept the benefit if the courageous who live here are successful.

I don't believe the petition will be successful. Changes, if any, will occur because of pressure from Thais.

[jackdd]

2 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

It has just occurred to me that this TM30 applies to all foreigners,that is all tourists,if all tourists were made aware that they are responsible for the reporting their movements or risked being fined for every infraction of this law,then that I suspect might have a significant impact on peoples decision to visit Thailand and with the recent downturn this might not be welcomed by the tourist industry.I was thinking this may have more of an impact than the petition.All one needs to do is circulate the news maybe even with media type embellishments and good old scare mongering. 

Just a thought.

Imagine 38 million tourist queuing up at immigration to do their TM30.

99.99% of tourists never have to submit a TM30, so this doesn't concern them.

[DrTuner]

1 minute ago, champers said:

I don't believe the petition will be successful. Changes, if any, will occur because of pressure from Thais.

The BKK Post quote from IB chief Pol Lt Gen Sompong Chingduang pretty clearly says TM30 will continue as it is. As no direct links allowed, google 'Furore over TM30 forms'.

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[champers]

2 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

The BKK Post quote from IB chief Pol Lt Gen Sompong Chingduang pretty clearly says TM30 will continue as it is. As no direct links allowed, google 'Furore over TM30 forms'.

Thanks. I have todays copy of BP and will read up later.

[taxin]

12 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

No names will be attached to it, as already discussed 1000000 times.... 

The response to this has also been asked many times, what is the point of a petition if it only shows numbers, and not real names ?

 

This petition idea has come from a bunch of farangs living in the sticks where they are the only farang within a 50km radius, probably not working nor contributing whatsoever to the economy, when the government realise this (which they probably already have) it will be simply laughed off.

 

On the other hand if it was started from a group of high executive expats working for big corps in Bangkok, spending 100K per month to put their kids through school, there might be a possibility of it being looked at. But still, it would only increase the chances from 0.1% to 0.9%.

[Peterw42]

7 minutes ago, champers said:

I don't believe the petition will be successful. Changes, if any, will occur because of pressure from Thais.

Thais are signing the petition, my wife and brother inlaws families have all signed as they have and manage rental properties.

[IvorBiggun2]

14 minutes ago, jackdd said:

99.99% of tourists never have to submit a TM30, so this doesn't concern them.

And just as many expats never submit a TM30. It doesn't concern them. Will you's people wake up as to whose responsibility it is to register. Not the farangs. Close the thread quick.

 

231 posts over nothing.

Edited August 7, 2019 by IvorBiggun2

[jackdd]

5 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

And just as many expats never submit a TM30. It doesn't concern them. Will you's people wake up as to whose responsibility it is to register. Not the farangs. Close the thread quick.

 

231 posts over nothing.

The main reason for all these posts is that people are given wrong information in the petition text, as well as in this news article here on Thaivisa.

[Peterw42]

9 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

And just as many expats never submit a TM30. So it doesn't concern them. Will you's people wake up as to whose responsibility it is to register. Not the farangs. Close the thread quick.

Its the responsibility of the owner, house master or "possessor' of a property. Any expat long term owner/tenant is considered the possessor and just as liable for the report or the fine. 90 % of expats are either owner, house master or possessor and need to submit a TM30 to report themselves.

 

I am owner, housemaster and possessor for my condo, there is no Thai person to report me or pay a fine.

 

Go to the TM30 counter at the immigration offices in all the expat locations, its 99 % foreigners submitting and paying fines

Edited August 7, 2019 by Peterw42

[rexall]

9 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Its the responsibility of the owner, house master or "possessor' of a property. Any expat long term owner/tenant is considered the possessor and just as liable for the report or the fine. 90 % of expats are either owner, house master or possessor and need to submit a TM30 to report themselves.

 

I am owner, housemaster and possessor for my condo, there is no Thai person to report me or pay a fine.

 

Go to the TM30 counter at the immigration offices in all the expat locations, its 99 % foreigners submitting and paying fines

What the hell does "posssessor" mean? 

[Peterw42]

1 minute ago, rexall said:

What the hell does "posssessor" mean? 

Section 4 of the immigration act

 

“House Master” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever"

[Myran]

11 minutes ago, rexall said:

What the hell does "posssessor" mean? 

"a person who takes, occupies, or holds something without necessarily having ownership, or as distinguished from the owner."

[ifmu]

13 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

No names will be attached to it, as already discussed 1000000 times.... 

yeah right .. the gov asks and everyone will give it up

[Isaanbiker]

53 minutes ago, champers said:

Thanks. I have todays copy of BP and will read up later.

You can read pretty much all online. They also have a great learning English website with Thai vocabulary and a sound file of the text. 

[balo]

Ask Thais to sign it, should be 10000 signatures within 24 hours. Plenty of frustrated Thais who rent out property.  

[IvorBiggun2]

1 hour ago, Peterw42 said:

I am owner, housemaster and possessor for my condo, there is no Thai person to report me or pay a fine.

I take it your condo block is managed. The condo manager/owner is the one responsible for reporting TM 30's.

 

Quote

If you stay in a condo or apartment block, the owner is required to register you.

Can I publish the link to this quote?

[Peterw42]

6 minutes ago, balo said:

Ask Thais to sign it, should be 10000 signatures within 24 hours. Plenty of frustrated Thais who rent out property.  

I personally know more Thais than expats who have signed it, all my wider family signed it as they have and manage rental properties. I agree, if every expat at least gets their partner to sign would be great.