1 minute ago, pookondee said:

Fair enough.

I admit to not knowing anything about the word "gringo".

Reading your explanation as to the interpretation of it in different regions gave me the impression that one would be offended if they choose to be offended?

 

In that regard "farang" might be kind of the same.

If Thais know you well enough to know your name, but constantly keep using "farang" 

then i agree it is a bit off-putting, but i am not really offended by it.

Its just common manners.

 

 

When meeting an ex gf's family, to start with i heard a lot of farang- this and that..

 

but as time went on, at some stage i morphed into Pee <my actual name>.

 

And to be honest i never really even noticed the transition at the time.

If there is one helpful thing ive learned from Thais, its not to over-think think things so much.

 

If you are speaking Thai to Thais all the time, chances are at some stage you yourself will have said..

"Farang mai chob.....bla bla bla" 

 

Its just easier, and I cant even remember those other "proper" word for foriegners.

If speaking to a Thai it would just sound strange to say it any other way, like:

"wes-ter-NERS mai chob...." 

 

So for me its just a common use word,

and i think thats what Yinn has been getting at all along.

 

Of course, if other adjectives are added it then becomes offensive, but that is the same for all languages.

 

I should add: i come from a country that uses unmistakably derogatory names for nearly every nationality..

greasy <deleted>....bloody chinks...etc

 

so farang aint so bad!!

 

 

It's a bit like a non Brit (EU) referring to me as a Brit...No ploblem..

"Look mummy a Farang"

 

"You, You, Farang"

 

"Look mummy a Muslim"

 

"You, You, Muslim"

 

"Look mummy a Negro"

 

"You, You, Negro"

 

"Look mummy a Chinaman"

 

"You, You, Chinaman"

 

Make your own mind up but for me, what they all mean is "not one of US"

 

 

7 hours ago, pookondee said:

yet still many others will argue that the word

"gringo" is very derogatory!

 

I'm ok with Gringo if they can take Wet-back.

17 minutes ago, transam said:

It's a bit like a non Brit (EU) referring to me as a Brit...No ploblem..

Are 'Mericans offended by "yank" ?

 

They would surlely be offended by

"septic tank".. if they know the implication behind it. lol

Most foreigners get upset when they find out they are called "farang", but those who have lived here for a while realise that it is not meant in any derogatory way. It comes from the French being the first Europeans here, and the Thai word for France is 'farangset".

That's only one theory of its origin and not proved.

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3 hours ago, CharlieH said:

They call me "Na+name" I believe that's "uncle" as I am senior to them.

Na is because your wife has older brother and sister. There kids call you Na. Na can be man or woman. Uncle and auntie.

 

If your wife is the oldest, they will call you Loong. But the woman can not be called Loong, they call her Baa.

 

also Issan and thai is different way. Is complicated one Pee Charlie.

I'm ok with Gringo if they can take Wet-back.

That is much worse.

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Are 'Mericans offended by "yank" ?
 
They would surlely be offended by
"septic tank".. if they know the implication behind it. lol

Yes Septic is definitely worse. I don't think most Americans really care about being called Yank but it probably does irk some southerners.

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3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's only one theory of its origin and not proved.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farang

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes Septic is definitely worse. I don't think most Americans really care about being called Yank but it probably does irk some southerners.

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It's Cockney rhyming slang. It's not likening Americans to septic tanks. It just happens to rhyme with Yank.

 

Nowhere near as bad as Yanks referring to Thais as gooks, a word I still hear Americans using in bars around Pattaya today.

 

 

 

 

28 minutes ago, pookondee said:

Are 'Mericans offended by "yank" ?

As much as Brits are with Limey

2 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

As much as Brits are with Limey

Not at all offensive. I always take it as a term of endearment. Never heard it used pejorativly.

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That is much worse.

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Depends which side of the border you are hearing it.

5 hours ago, meechai said:

 

 

I would say same as what you call Thai people,

Meaning call elder Foreigners Pee & call younger ones Nong

 

Until you know their name then call them Pee+name or Nong+name or Kuhn+name same as you usually address respectfully

all Thai's you know & even those you do not.

What if we just see a Caucasian. 

I will say to my friend “Look. Some Peenong come to visit Thailand!”

 

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Yes, exactly.

You could call the older ones Pee Farang and the younger ones Nong Farang !!

Sorted !!

A Caucasian have a fight with and Arab. No one know there name. The Caucasian run away. Police come.

police ask for detail. It was a pee. 

Can say Arab, can say Asian. But can not say fa......

 

to sensitive!

 

 

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

About gringo.

You grossly mischaracterized what I wrote about it before.

I think the use of gringo in Latin America is a very close approximation to the use of farang in Thailand.

In Mexico, gringo is DEFINITELY a derogatory term. No doubt.

In Ecuador and Colombia it is not a derogatory term and so it's like farang if you actually believe that farang is not a derogatory term in Thailand.

My opinion is that in reality, in actual USAGE, farang is in the middle. Sometimes derogatory and sometimes not. So it's not surprising that many people are polarized on this question. Some arguing it's never derogatory and others arguing it's always derogatory by definition.

No, it is not that black and white.

 

(To complicate this further, some of the people that fit the gringo definition in Colombia and Ecuador KNOWING that it is derogatory in Mexico which is a very large country, perceive gringo as derogatory everywhere. It's possible that over time gringo could develop into a derogatory term in Colombia and Ecuador based on negative feelings towards the gringos, but I think it's impossible for gringo in Mexico to develop into a neutral word.)

Drama Queen 

 

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

To follow up on my other post. that's what I think happened in Thailand. The general meaning of Farang CHANGED over a long time from a truly neutral word moving towards a derogatory term. I think it's in the middle now and probably will continue to progress in the direction of derogatory. Why? Over exposure to the people being called farang, cultural and political xenophobia, etc. It's always good to have scapegoats that are OTHERS. 

 

I tell you already. Stop argue. Just tell me the thai word you want thai people to call Caucasian. I will use it. 

You complain. Everyone tell you are wrong.

but you still not say what you want!!!,

 

3 hours ago, sillyfool said:

call us pee and nong as you would anyone else you interact with when you don't know their name. look past the race to the human being. why the incessant need to identify and group people together ? 

 

after all we all look the same no ? tidbits of this posters ignorance come out all the time on here. 

Caucasions use black, white, Arab, yellow, Asian, etc etc.

But thai can not mention?

 

 

2 hours ago, meechai said:

555 yes I messed that up ????

I meant just P or  Nong

Later add name when known

 

My friend has restaurant farang food in Phuket.

i will tell her change it to Pi Nong food restaurant.

so jingthing not get upset.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's only one theory of its origin and not proved.

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 What thai language word you think we should use?

ps. I can not make law, I can not change the dictionary. I can not change the thai people. 

Maybe you ask Prayut. (But I think he can not change it also) 

 

 

10 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

 

 

Nowhere near as bad as Yanks referring to Thais as gooks, a word I still hear Americans using in bars around Pattaya today.

 

 

 

 

I not know that one. I think thai not care about that.

Yinn the Gook! Cute.

i not cry.

JT a drama queen? That's a new one on me!

11 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Maybe you ask Prayut. (But I think he can not change it also) 

As a Thai Chin (aren't all the Thai elite?) he probably has far worse names for us than Ferang. Probably dogs. (หมา).

 

 

 What thai language word you think we should use?
ps. I can not make law, I can not change the dictionary. I can not change the thai people. 
Maybe you ask Prayut. (But I think he can not change it also) 
 
 

OK. Enough. I really don't think you're a Thai person now. Not interested in reading your fake bad grammar baits anymore. Adios. Goodbye.

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Just now, Jingthing said:

OK. Enough. I really don't think you're a Thai person now. Not interested in reading your fake bad grammar baits anymore. Adios. Goodbye.

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Don't be a drama queen JT!

7 minutes ago, Yinn said:

I not know that one. I think thai not care about that.

Yinn the Gook! Cute.

i not cry.

You would if you knew what it meant. It's extremely offensive.

7 minutes ago, Yinn said:

 

Caucasions use black, white, Arab, yellow, Asian, etc etc.

But thai can not mention?

 

 

all of the examples you have provided can ALSO be taken in context just like the use of farang.

 

here are a few examples for the discussion of course no malice intended.

 

look at that BLACK mo**er f***er over there

f***ing arabs

asian men have small.....

 

as for yellow. ahhhh ya no one uses that word in this day and age.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

OK. Enough. I really don't think you're a Thai person now. Not interested in reading your fake bad grammar baits anymore. Adios. Goodbye.

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 Caucasian=farang= Adios. 

 

Ok Adios can be.

On 9/20/2019 at 12:35 PM, ezzra said:

I take umbrage to being shouted at ' you you' than being addressed as a farang, kinda complimenting me as being French...

If your Brit, then yes a compliment 

2 minutes ago, Yinn said:

 Caucasian=farang= Adios. 

 

Ok Adios can be.

Khun Adios please.

4 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

You would if you knew what it meant. It's extremely offensive.

Gook (/ˈɡuːk/ or /ˈɡʊk/) is a derogatory term for certain people of East and Southeast Asian descent. The slur is frequently directed toward foreigners, especially people of Filipino, Korean, or Vietnamese descent.^[1] It was originally predominantly used by the U.S. military during wartime, especially during the Korean War, and more so during the Vietnam War.

 

 

i still not cry. Thailand is in SEA. No problem.

Just now, DannyCarlton said:

Khun Adios please.

Ok Pee Adios.

ad·i·os

/ˌädēˈōs,ˌadē-/

exclamation & noun

1. (in Spanish or Spanish-speaking contexts) goodbye.

    

    

    

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16 minutes ago, Yinn said:

 

 

The Caucasian run away. Police come.

police ask for detail. It was a pee. 

Can say Arab, can say Asian. But can not say fa......

 

 

well, as my name, short nick name version is Niss,

i find it a bit awkward when im referred to as pe'niss

1 minute ago, brokenbone said:

well, as my name, short nick name version is Niss,

i find it a bit awkward when im referred to as pe'niss

Same my friend Nut.

english sound like Peanut.

 

1 minute ago, Yinn said:

Same my friend Nut.

english sound like Peanut.

 

I have a friend who's name is Porn. Not good in English.