UK PM Johnson agrees 'great' new Brexit deal with EU

[Basil B]

Today the day of arm twisting...

 

Tomorrow the the day of reckoning...

 

Well we will know just how desperate Johnson is by the amount of arm twisting, and he does not have the option that May had of postponing the Meaningful Vote.

[nauseus]

35 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

That's what did happen before we joined the EEC and, as a result, we became known as the poor man of Europe. Leave with no deal and we will quickly earn that title again.

What are you on about?

[soalbundy]

17 hours ago, transam said:

Well the UK exchange rate just went up......????

It went down again when the DUP said they won't support it. Analysts crunching the numbers don't think his 'great new deal' will make it through parliament, neither does the EU, parting words to BJ in Brussels was apparently, "See you next week".

[nauseus]

30 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

I used to work with UK money market dealers - as a compliance auditor. The 'grapevine contacts' was as active then as probably it is today - but today's market is one of getting  your oar in quickest using the latest technology, also.  

 

I would suggest that the HoC is a fountain of knowledge as to how situations are resolved and the likelihood of that happening well before the media gets their greasy paws on it. 

 

Bit like a poll, really. I would say, right now, that johnson has an outside chance of gaining approval of his deal - if he doesn't, expect an early GE, cos now the deal is in place, he ain't going to accept a second referendum.

Algorithms still hanging on the vine though. 

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

It went down again when the DUP said they won't support it. Analysts crunching the numbers don't think his 'great new deal' will make it through parliament, neither does the EU, parting words to BJ in Brussels was apparently, "See you next week".

Apparently, "See you next week and don't forget to bring the letter with you."

[samran]

15 hours ago, sanemax said:

The law can be changed 

Why was it so needed to have the law in the first place? The hypocrisy is world class. 

[DannyCarlton]

34 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

cos now the deal is in place, he ain't going to accept a second referendum.

It's not up to him. That's for parliament to decide and Johnson is in a minority.

[nauseus]

18 minutes ago, david555 said:

From point of view as a European , i think ,i am sure this is the best deal possible ...,unless we would gamble longer to get revoke or remain...but i would not push our luck for that   .
And it gives the island of Ireland the chance to keep all as it is for now , and possible becomes one in future if wished .
But to get this done & voted in H.O.C  is another case.... 

 

short summary of the deal

Deal.pdf 481.45 kB · 1 download

It's a short summary of the revision. The "deal" is remains the bulk of the withdrawal agreement (treaty) that May pushed 3x and failed with.

[DannyCarlton]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

What are you on about?

I don't expect you to understand (primarily because you don't want to understand).

[DannyCarlton]

7 minutes ago, samran said:

Why was it so needed to have the law in the first place? The hypocrisy is world class. 

Mogg's answer to this was, "A lady is allowed to change her mind". At which he minced off down the road.

[nauseus]

24 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

I don't expect you to understand (primarily because you don't want to understand).

I'll just take it that you are unsure of what you think that you had previously thought that you had understood, then.

[DannyCarlton]

28 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I'll just take it that you are unsure of what you think that you had previously thought that you had understood, then.

Up to you. It's really no concern of mine what you take or where you take it. 555

[Baerboxer]

18 hours ago, transam said:

Well the UK exchange rate just went up......????

 

Yep "surged a whole 1%" to Bloomberg!

 

Oanda has it at just over 38.8 to the ThB. krungsri on-line 38.51. In Jan-May this year it was between 40-42.

 

Stellar

 

 

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

It went down again when the DUP said they won't support it. Analysts crunching the numbers don't think his 'great new deal' will make it through parliament, neither does the EU, parting words to BJ in Brussels was apparently, "See you next week".

 

Really? Maybe a few % points fluctuating on Live Rates but Oanda show it as a straight increase. 

 

What source are you using?

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Yep "surged a whole 1%" to Bloomberg!

Oanda has it at just over 38.8 to the ThB. krungsri on-line 38.51. In Jan-May this year it was between 40-42.

Stellar

4% up from Thursday last week.

Was 37.2 up to 39.2.

 

Why does anyone use other sources than XE.com?

Edited October 18, 2019 by BritManToo

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

The opposition have finally woken up and are starting to play the Machiavellian Boris Cummings at his own game. The obvious move would be to attach a motion to the deal making it's acceptance persuant to a confirmatory vote, Johnson's deal vs. remain (you're just being silly saying deal vs. no deal). However, Corbyn stated yesterday that he won't be doing this tomorrow and will just be voting the deal as it stands, down. He also stated that he would be playing his aces next week.

 

So what are his aces? A vote of no confidence in the government and forming a temporary government himself? Calling an election? A straight vote on a confirmaty vote? Thankfully Corbyn has wised up and no one knows.

 

All he can do is table a vote of no confidence. If the government loose it doesn't mean he can appoint himself temporary PM. 

I wouldn't put anything past this treacherous treasonous terd though. Probably promising the power crazed Sturgeon anything she wants to back him with her Westminster androids. 

 

Just what Britain needs, a Socialist Worker Party hard left commie pandering to the Scottish National Socialists and IRA terrorists to get power. What could go wrong?

[FritsSikkink]

20 hours ago, Orac said:

 

It is up on EU website but struggling to get into it - guess it is rather popular at the moment!

 

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_19_6120

The revised Protocol provides a legally operational solution that avoids a hard border on the island of Ireland, protects the all-island economy and the Good Friday (Belfast) Agreement in all its dimensions and safeguards the integrity of the Single Market. This solution responds to the unique circumstances on the island of Ireland with the aim of protecting peace and stability. All other elements of the Withdrawal Agreement remain unchanged in substance, as per the agreement reached on 14 November 2018.

 

From that link.

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, Basil B said:

please explain what is wrong with my statement?

The bit you made up about fear.

I have yet to meet a brexiter who doesn't believe they'd win by a much bigger landslide if such folly was ever seriously entertained ????

 

Here's the latest from Farage...

 

Edited October 18, 2019 by evadgib

[DannyCarlton]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

All he can do is table a vote of no confidence. If the government loose it doesn't mean he can appoint himself temporary PM. 

I wouldn't put anything past this treacherous treasonous terd though. Probably promising the power crazed Sturgeon anything she wants to back him with her Westminster androids. 

 

Just what Britain needs, a Socialist Worker Party hard left commie pandering to the Scottish National Socialists and IRA terrorists to get power. What could go wrong?

If the vote of no confidence is passed, it's emcumbent on the leader of the opposition to form an interim government. If he fails, others can have a crack at it, which is where the current sticking point arises. The Lib Dems are currently refusing to accept Corbyn as interim leader and have put forward a variety of alternatives, some sensible like the Father of the House, Ken Clarke. Others like Layla Moran even advocated Anna Soubury. I see the Lib Dems as the biggest stumbling block to getting rid of Johnson.

 

"Just what Britain needs, a Socialist Worker Party hard left commie pandering to the Scottish National Socialists and IRA terrorists to get power. What could go wrong?"

 

Well I suppose quite a bit could go wrong if even the tiniest bit of your fantastical rhetoric were true. Luckily it's pure fiction.

 

 

[yodsak]

 

Down  9.9%  since 8th Nov 2018  

Down  7.6% since May

Up       5%     since Oct 9th

Down  25.6% since 24th June 2016.

[rudi49jr]

So far, as I understand it, his deal is (much) worse than the one May tried to pass. Words are cheap, mister Johnson! 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

So far, as I understand it, his deal is (much) worse than the one May tried to pass. Words are cheap, mister Johnson! 

And Johnson’s words are almost always lies.

[Basil B]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

The bit you made up about fear.

I have yet to meet a brexiter who doesn't believe they'd win by a much bigger landslide if such folly was ever seriously entertained ????

 

Here's the latest from Farage...

 

Let's go back to my original statement...

Quote

Brexiteers are scared stiff of any chance of a second referendum that would overturn the first, their logic is flawed ans corrupt.

Wheres the fear in that? the only people that scares is those who do not believe in the democratic right to change ones mind.

I see more fear in your post featuring an image of Pratman

Edited October 18, 2019 by Basil B

[Basil B]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

If the vote of no confidence is passed, it's emcumbent on the leader of the opposition to form an interim government. If he fails, others can have a crack at it, which is where the current sticking point arises. The Lib Dems are currently refusing to accept Corbyn as interim leader and have put forward a variety of alternatives, some sensible like the Father of the House, Ken Clarke. Others like Layla Moran even advocated Anna Soubury. I see the Lib Dems as the biggest stumbling block to getting rid of Johnson.

 

"Just what Britain needs, a Socialist Worker Party hard left commie pandering to the Scottish National Socialists and IRA terrorists to get power. What could go wrong?"

 

Well I suppose quite a bit could go wrong if even the tiniest bit of your fantastical rhetoric were true. Luckily it's pure fiction.

 

 

In reality the real stumbling block is JC and his bloody mindedness to be PM, any decent leader would have stood down in favour of someone more acceptable to those out outside the Labour party, and it is not just the LIbDems who see the danger of a JC lead government.

[transam]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Yep "surged a whole 1%" to Bloomberg!

 

Oanda has it at just over 38.8 to the ThB. krungsri on-line 38.51. In Jan-May this year it was between 40-42.

 

Stellar

 

 

I was actually jesting, "most" saw it....But alas not you......????

[DannyCarlton]

Just now, Basil B said:

In reality the real stumbling block is JC and his bloody mindedness to be PM, any decent leader would have stood down in favour of someone more acceptable to those out outside the Labour party, and it is not just the LIbDems who see the danger of a JC lead government.

Agree totally but suspect that is one of the aces up Corbyn's sleeve. Prior to the vote of no confidence (maybe immediately prior), he will do a deal with the other parties and nominate a suitable candidate as caretaker leader.

 

He and others have learned their lessons re. being open and honest about their intentions and allowing Boris Cummings to formlate a counter strategy before the event. For the first time they're putting Boris Cummings on the back foot rather than allowing him to put them on the back foot.

 

Game on.

[david555]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

4% up from Thursday last week.

Was 37.2 up to 39.2.

 

Why does anyone use other sources than XE.com?

as all banks do too, I think most see what they get cash in hand on street , and then expats what they get rom the one they choose online by transferring ….BUT be sure to calculate for your incoming transfers Bangkok Bank as that is used by the immigration officers for your extensions , unless you do monthly …. and even then ….

[dunroaming]

19 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

No deal - killed

May Deal - killed

Johnson deal - about to be killed 

What have we left Revoke A50 and move on.

I think he might squeeze it through.  It is pretty much May's deal re-hashed and he has thrown the DUP under a bus but by now people are so desperate for closure they will accept virtually anything to get it across the line.  Nigel is spitting blood and that in itself is worth a smile.  He is right that it isn't a clean break and there will still be a close relationship with the EU but for most people that works just fine.   Watching the ERG boy's being interviewed is entertaining as they squirm in their seats saying that they think the deal delivers what they want, all through gritted teeth.

 

Having the border in the Irish sea is a pretty pathetic U-turn and something Johnson pledged over and over he would never do.  Still I don't think anyone is that surprised and something had to give.  Saturday will be interesting and I think we can expect more spinning in their seats from all the usual suspects.

 

But overall I think Boris did the best he could do and I can live with his deal.  I will leave my business in Europe because it is working well for me there and I like the environment and the people.  I don't think this is a good deal but it could have been a whole lot worse.

[Rimmer]

Indirect flame removed

[david555]

Out of E.U. point of view all can go good :

1) deal accepted by H.O.C. ….OK ????

2) voted down …. and Bojo must ask extension (shall be a very long one or not one) ….OK ???? ( as contribution GBP coming  again )

4) referendum ….ok????

3) And  if all go tits ….chance on revoking …. ok ok ok … ???? ???? ????

 

Maybe we E.U. start liking Boris already a bit more now ..

Edited October 18, 2019 by david555