Disgraceful or ingenious? Makeshift looking hospital device sparks debate

[webfact]

Disgraceful or ingenious? Makeshift looking hospital device sparks debate

 

Picture: Sanook

 

An angry relative of a patient in a Thai hospital went online to condemn doctors and nurses along with a picture of a device at the head of the bed. 

 

It was a piece of hanging vinyl on a string with a calibrated scale written in pen along with a ruler. 

 

The relative mocked this facetiously as a fine example of "Thailand 4.0" - a buzzword about the perceived development of the nation. 

 

They complained that the doctor was using their relative as a guinea pig and that they were being treated like this because they were on the 30 baht universal healthcare scheme rather than in some fancy hospital. 

 

They blamed the hospital for lack of modernity and said that doctors and nurses lacked ethics. 

 

However, a poster on "Drama Addict" sprang to the hospital's defence saying that the device may not look good but it was effective and helpful. 

 

Another poster that appeared to have professional knowledge said that it was an "external ventriculostomy drainage (EVD) device.

 

These are used to drain excess fluid from the head. 

 

Source: Sanook

 

 

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[from the home of CC]

looks like a fine sprout for an anti Thai thread lol...

[NCC1701A]

8 minutes ago, webfact said:

 

These are used to drain excess fluid from the head. 

sound like something I need.

[johng]

2 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

sound like something I need.

No the other head ????

[jvs]

9 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

sound like something I need.

Which head you did not specify.

[Mango Bob]

And they will charge Farangs twice the price to use it.

[colinneil]

Ungrateful sods, doctors are trying to help a family member, and all they can do is moan..... Pathetic.

[thaibeachlovers]

The hospital should sue the relative for spouting nonsense that is detrimental to the care of the patient.

 

I see nothing wrong with the device. If it was a commercial device it would cost 50 times more and do nothing  better.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, colinneil said:

Ungrateful sods, doctors are trying to help a family member, and all they can do is moan..... Pathetic.

Quite likely to have been made by a nurse. I made all sorts of things myself. I even made urine bag holders from wire coat hangers because the commercial ones supplied by the hospital were rubbish.

For a disabled man I made a Heath Robinson device so he could use the call bell.

[ianezy0]

Just before they sedate you for your operation I would suggest you don’t look at the Fisher Price tools on the op tray before you pass out!

[darksidedog]

Perhaps the family would have preferred for the hospital not to have tried to show some initiative. Apparently while hand made it was doing the job required, which is better than the staff doing nothing. Thailand is a third world country after all, so to expect first world gadgets in every medical facility, especially government ones,  is asking a bit much.

[Dmaxdan]

Wouldn't bother me. 

35 minutes ago, webfact said:

They complained that the doctor was using their relative as a guinea pig and that they were being treated like this because they were on the 30 baht universal healthcare scheme rather than in some fancy hospital. 

 

Well personally I'd rather be a guinea pig than get ripped off in a fancy hospital. 

[faraday]

21 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The hospital should sue the relative for spouting nonsense that is detrimental to the care of the patient.

 

I see nothing wrong with the device. If it was a commercial device it would cost 50 times more and do nothing  better.

And a plethora of disposal items, that had to be bought, otherwise it wouldn't function.

 

Then there's the service contract....????

[worgeordie]

Tanks,planes,and Submarines are more important than hospital equipment.

make do,and stop complaining,nothing is going to change.

regards worgeordie

[Myran]

What the hell did that person expect, that the nurses and doctors should spend their own money on more modern equipment?

[mok199]

Mothers of invention...

[Just Weird]

2 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Perhaps the family would have preferred for the hospital not to have tried to show some initiative. Apparently while hand made it was doing the job required, which is better than the staff doing nothing. Thailand is a third world country after all, so to expect first world gadgets in every medical facility, especially government ones,  is asking a bit much.

Great comment...until you spoiled it with that last sentence..."Thailand is a third world country after all, so to expect first world gadgets in every medical facility, especially government ones,  is asking a bit much".

[Bob12345]

Reminds me of an internal movement at the company i worked in the west. We were strictly forbidden to move any item ourselves. Not because we werent able to lift a stapler or phone, but simply because of liability. If i move the phone, trip over the wire, and break my arm the company would be liable for it. 

 

That raises the question: if this device breaks down and a patient gets injured, who will be held liable? The doctor just used what was given, the nurse who did what the doctor told her to do, the maintenance guy who put it together, or the hospital that just approved improvisation because of a lack of funds? 

 

The patient will die of old age before the insurance companies have decided how to split the bill.

[leeneeds]

Patient had a bed, some places the floor is best offer, 

get what u pay for,

[PETERTHEEATER]

A bullet hole in the skull makes an effective drain.....

[Bangkok Barry]

5 hours ago, colinneil said:

Ungrateful sods, doctors are trying to help a family member, and all they can do is moan..... Pathetic.

 

What do they expect for 30 baht! If they don't like it then change to a private hospital.

[tifino]

probably better off on some clumsy homemade thing that works; instead of a fancy machine, that just goes 'ping'

[DaRoadrunner]

8 hours ago, Mango Bob said:

And they will charge Farangs twice the price to use it.

Well, our ‘head‘ is bigger than theirs

[DaRoadrunner]

5 hours ago, Bob12345 said:

Reminds me of an internal movement at the company i worked in the west. We were strictly forbidden to move any item ourselves. Not because we werent able to lift a stapler or phone, but simply because of liability. If i move the phone, trip over the wire, and break my arm the company would be liable for it. 

 

That raises the question: if this device breaks down and a patient gets injured, who will be held liable? The doctor just used what was given, the nurse who did what the doctor told her to do, the maintenance guy who put it together, or the hospital that just approved improvisation because of a lack of funds? 

 

The patient will die of old age before the insurance companies have decided how to split the bill.

This Thailand, so no one will be responsible

[DrTuner]

'These are used to drain excess fluid from the head.'

 

That fluid yellow by any chance? Would explain the driving habits and a few other things.

[Chazar]

15 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

looks like a fine sprout for an anti Thai thread lol...

See  the pro  Thai  lovers  are out the blocks  first though

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/6/2019 at 5:51 PM, faraday said:

And a plethora of disposal items, that had to be bought, otherwise it wouldn't function.

 

Then there's the service contract....????

If one looks at the photo, the device attached to the card is disposable, and commercial. The only home made part is the card.

Plenty of stupid people in the world, unfortunately. The relatives/ friends of the patient were usually the worst.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/6/2019 at 8:14 PM, Bob12345 said:

Reminds me of an internal movement at the company i worked in the west. We were strictly forbidden to move any item ourselves. Not because we werent able to lift a stapler or phone, but simply because of liability. If i move the phone, trip over the wire, and break my arm the company would be liable for it. 

 

That raises the question: if this device breaks down and a patient gets injured, who will be held liable? The doctor just used what was given, the nurse who did what the doctor told her to do, the maintenance guy who put it together, or the hospital that just approved improvisation because of a lack of funds? 

 

The patient will die of old age before the insurance companies have decided how to split the bill.

The "device" is a commercial disposable item, and if it breaks down the company that made it is liable which is why everything medical costs so much. A piece of card can't "break down", but if the nurse or whoever made it did it wrong and the patient was injured as a result, they would be liable.