24 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

You need to get up to speed.

This is not a substantive reply.

And in addition what makes the charge of entrapment so ridiculous is that even the Trump administration conceded that Flynn lied to vice-President Pence. Did Pence also entrap Flynn? Even Trump conceded that he lied to Pence.

20 minutes ago, frenetic said:

This is not a substantive reply.

And in addition what makes the charge of entrapment so ridiculous is that even the Trump administration conceded that Flynn lied to vice-President Pence. Did Pence also entrap Flynn? Even Trump conceded that he lied to Pence.

What more can one say.  You need to get up to speed.  You seem to be completely unaware of recent developments in the Flynn case else you wouldn't be citing age old news.  Don't ask me for links since the developments are numerous and stretch over the period of time since he dumped Perkins Coie (who are in hot water themselves over their mishandling of the case) and hired Sidney Powell.

 

You really need to do some research, e.g. Google, before you attempt to comment intelligently.

 

Edit:  I did mention that the MSM is not reporting on it or if they do they will be highly misleading.  I leave it up to you to heed my advice or not.  You're either going to be interested in truth or in maintaining your beliefs.  I don't pretend to know which.

 

 

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Separating fact from fiction as Trump builds a rationale to pardon Michael Flynn

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump went on a Twitter rampage Thursday about his former adviser Michael Flynn, flooding the zone with conspiracy theories and paper-thin allegations that crooked FBI investigators entrapped Flynn as part of a "deep state" plot.
 

Many of these claims have already been cast aside by independent fact-checkers, rebutted by Justice Department lawyers and dismissed out of hand by a federal judge. But seizing on a batch of documents unsealed Wednesday, Trump and his allies are claiming there are new and explosive reasons to doubt Flynn's prosecution, raising the chances that a pardon is in the works.

........

 

 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/politics/flynn-trump-conspiracy-theories-pardon/index.html

 

Why one earth would Flynn want to return? Trump has to be one of the world's worst bosses. No loyalty, no integrity, you cannot believe anything he says, and you wake up every morning wondering if this is going to be the day the boss throws me under the bus. 

Maybe Trump can appoint the guy as the U.S. Ambassador to Russia...

 

That's certainly ONE job that he might be qualified for...

 

4 hours ago, sungod said:

I think its called recycling,

More like scrapping the bottom of the swamp. 

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

You have no idea of what you're talking about.  None.

So far in this topic you have not posted a single credible source to back up your claims. Quoting trump's usual M.O. of unsubstantiated attack, in this case, on CNN, is meaningless. So let's try again, please provide a credible link to substantiate your claims. Otherwise one can only conclude to quote you, "You have no idea of what you're talking about"

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

What more can one say.  You need to get up to speed.  You seem to be completely unaware of recent developments in the Flynn case else you wouldn't be citing age old news.  Don't ask me for links since the developments are numerous and stretch over the period of time since he dumped Perkins Coie (who are in hot water themselves over their mishandling of the case) and hired Sidney Powell.

 

You really need to do some research, e.g. Google, before you attempt to comment intelligently.

 

Edit:  I did mention that the MSM is not reporting on it or if they do they will be highly misleading.  I leave it up to you to heed my advice or not.  You're either going to be interested in truth or in maintaining your beliefs.  I don't pretend to know which.

 

And now for the ‘Truth is Out There’ argument in which you make assertions based on claimed evidence you refuse to produce.

He certainly has his finger on the pulse of the US -- if there is one thing on everyone's mind right now it's Flynn.  It's almost enough to make them forget why they are wearing medical masks and keeping 6 feet apart.

 

He's reaching for a diversion, I have a suggestion: give Don Jr a full dressing-down in public in front of the TV cameras, insult his vaca of a girlfreind, etc. 

 

 

7 hours ago, webfact said:

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Thursday he would consider bringing his fired former national security adviser Michael Flynn, a key figure in the probe into Russia's interference in the 2016 election, back into his administration.

 

 

 

Guess it is election Russian interference time again

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

So far in this topic you have not posted a single credible source to back up your claims.

Could you point me to some Trump topics where he actually did?

5 hours ago, simple1 said:

MSM have covered the flynn saga, plus recent events, so your claim makes no sense to me. Accordingly, educate me. As usual you haven't linked to your credible source/s to back up your claims  - which BTW is a basic requirement for forum members.

I saw it on CNN and on the BBC. But in a measured way. The allegations against FBI officials are, as yet, unproven. 

 

That said, Flynn lied to the FBI. That is a felony in the USA. That is bad enough. Now apparently Flynn claims that he did not know this was a felony and he was not warned it was a felony.

 

The real headline should be: "Should Flynn ever have been made National Security Advisor if he did not know that lying to the FBI is a felony."

Absolutely. After he has sued the government for the false claims and prosecution. 

 

Head to the nsc, dni. Clean out these rats and expose them to be indicted. 

 

Let's get all the schiff transcripts he is hiding published. 

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

What more can one say.  You need to get up to speed.  You seem to be completely unaware of recent developments in the Flynn case else you wouldn't be citing age old news.  Don't ask me for links since the developments are numerous and stretch over the period of time since he dumped Perkins Coie (who are in hot water themselves over their mishandling of the case) and hired Sidney Powell.

 

You really need to do some research, e.g. Google, before you attempt to comment intelligently.

 

Edit:  I did mention that the MSM is not reporting on it or if they do they will be highly misleading.  I leave it up to you to heed my advice or not.  You're either going to be interested in truth or in maintaining your beliefs.  I don't pretend to know which.

 

Correction his failed law firm was covington, which has on its staff the corrupt Eric holder. These losers signed a side deal to not prosecute Flynn son, while the corrupt Mueller team of lawyers had tried to have Flynn sign a agreement that there were no side deals. 

 

Complete corrupt special counsel. It has that scum bag Andrew weissman tactics all over it. 

 

These people better be indicted. 

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

That's your problem.  Neither the NYT, WaPo or any other MSM outlets are reporting on it.  If those are your only sources then it wouldn't be possible for you to know of recent events surrounding Flynn's case.  That's kinda a "duh."

No, they are not my only sources. But until now their reporting was a lot better than many other American media.

Sorry I didn't check with Breitbart or any of the right wing nutters. I am sure they will have other theories...

And no, it's not MY problem. ????

I for one, in particular his treatment yesterday of female dark skinned reporters questions 

would never work for him. He called them all stupid & biased.....Oh, if only he stopped & had a good look at himself

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Flynn has direct and undisputed connections to Russian Intelligence and to Putin himself, why wouldn’t Trump want this ‘useful idiot’ on his team?!

 

Can you prove all of that?

 

And what about Biden's and his family's connections to Ukrainian and Chinese? Or is that o k?

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

 

I do believe MSM heads and a few well known reporters are going to be held accountable.

And your source is Trump's tweet! ????

7 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

  

 

Yesterday, a massive story broke about FBI malfeasance (the set up of Flynn) at the start of Trump’s administration. How many times did the mainstream media mention it during their morning shows?

 

CNN: 0

CBS: 0

ABC: 0

NBC: 0

MSNBC: 0

 

I wouldn't expect you to know any of the massive amount of details coming out in this case in the recent past.  As you can see, there's no reporting on any of it.  Educate yourself before you reply.

 

Do you mean you have watched these 5 channels simultaneously in order to establish your claim?

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I didn’t mention guilt, I did mention direct contact with Putin.

 

You will recall Flynn was paid $45k by the Russians to attend and make a speech at the function, with Putin attending. At the time it was considered inappropriate, as was his 'consulting' payment from Turkey for $530k. A republican stated...

 

“He was supposed to get permission, he was supposed to report it, and he didn’t,” Cummings said.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/25/michael-flynn-russia-payment-house-panel-investigation

 

 

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

You have no idea of what you're talking about.  None.

Tippaporn, there isn't the proper icon in the reply set to rightly mirror the right "reward" for you.  You are a voracious seagull who has swallowed hook, line, and sinker.  You are what the Russians - you know, the ones who "elected" Donald Trump -  call a useful idiot.  You should be miffed that you haven't yet been given a Hero of the Russian Revolution award.

 

Good work, tovarisch!

 

The Q drops have been interesting this week.

8 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

  

 

Yesterday, a massive story broke about FBI malfeasance (the set up of Flynn) at the start of Trump’s administration. How many times did the mainstream media mention it during their morning shows?

 

CNN: 0

CBS: 0

ABC: 0

NBC: 0

MSNBC: 0

 

I wouldn't expect you to know any of the massive amount of details coming out in this case in the recent past.  As you can see, there's no reporting on any of it.  Educate yourself before you reply.

 

LOCK him UP!

Off topic posts dragging Bill Clinton and Hilary into the topic removed

2 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

Correction his failed law firm was covington, which has on its staff the corrupt Eric holder. These losers signed a side deal to not prosecute Flynn son, while the corrupt Mueller team of lawyers had tried to have Flynn sign a agreement that there were no side deals. 

 

Complete corrupt special counsel. It has that scum bag Andrew weissman tactics all over it. 

 

These people better be indicted. 

DENY. DEFLECt I did it so what!

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

So far in this topic you have not posted a single credible source to back up your claims. Quoting trump's usual M.O. of unsubstantiated attack, in this case, on CNN, is meaningless. So let's try again, please provide a credible link to substantiate your claims. Otherwise one can only conclude to quote you, "You have no idea of what you're talking about"

 

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And now for the ‘Truth is Out There’ argument in which you make assertions based on claimed evidence you refuse to produce.

A hot news item such as this should be easily found by typing "Michael Flynn news" in that little search bar at the top of your browser.  Let me know if you guys need help finding it.  You guys are truly comical.

 

Here's a comprehensive article which details some of the evidence withheld in the Flynn case.  Of particular note is the part of a little illegal side deal worked out between the prosecutors and Flynn's lawyers at the time, Covington & Burling.  For those Americans who cherish their country's rule of law I can understand how some of this would be quite disturbing to you.  I await your outraged responses.

 

The Federalist - Robert Mueller’s Case Against Michael Flynn Is About To Implode

 

"Also attached to the filing were two heavily redacted exhibits that consisted of email communications between Flynn’s former Covington attorneys. “We have a lawyers’ unofficial understanding that they are unlikely to charge Junior in light of the Cooperation Agreement,” one email read, referring to Flynn’s son, also named Michael Flynn."

 

Here's an article describing Brady information withheld by the prosecution.  Though I'm not an American I can understand the outrage Americans reading this will feel to learn that their DOJ purposely withheld exculpatory which would exonerate a defendant.  My God, what if it was you?

 

The Federalist - Newly Filed Court Documents Include Exculpatory Evidence For Michael Flynn

 

"New court documents filed under seal include significant exculpatory information about Michael Flynn, President Donald Trump’s former National Security Adviser, an FBI official familiar with the situation told The Federalist on Friday. The new documents, which were filed under seal by the Department of Justice Friday, allegedly include exonerating evidence about Flynn, who pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators about his conversations with foreign diplomats as Trump’s top incoming foreign policy adviser and is currently attempting to withdraw his plea, as well as evidence of malfeasance by the FBI during its investigation of Flynn."

 

Here's an article about his former attorneys delay in turning over documents which they had been ordered to due last July.  What?  There are still missing documents?  How can that be.  Covington Burling . . . doesn't that ring a bell?  Oh, yeah, that's where former AG Eric Holder landed after stepping down.  What a coincidence!

 

The Washington Times - Michael Flynn's former attorneys say they've uncovered missing documents in case

 

"Michael Flynn’s former legal team said they recently uncovered emails and handwritten notes they “inadvertently” left out of a cache of documents they turned over to the former national security adviser’s new attorney last summer, according to a court filing Thursday.

Lawyers at Covington & Burling said in a filing that the emails were missed because of technical errors and they mistakenly overlooked the handwritten notes.

And the lawyers may have missed even more documents, according to court documents."

 

Here's a follow up article as to the latest order by Judge Emmet Sullivan for Covington Burling to perform another search for documents.  Holey moley, they've found another 6,800 documents and emails??  How could this possibly be?  What's really going on here?

 

The Washington Examiner - Judge orders Michael Flynn's former attorneys to execute another search for documents after new trove discovered

 

"Around the same time Tuesday afternoon, a seven-page filing from the Covington attorneys was unsealed, showing that Kelner and Anthony had just transferred thousands of documents that they had been sitting on for almost a year to Powell and Flynn’s new team. Earlier in April, Covington admitted it failed to transfer a number of emails and two handwritten notes over to Powell, but Tuesday showed that this was just the tip of the iceberg."

 

Here's Gregg Jarrett, who's been all over the Flynn case for the longest time, unlike some of the know-it-all posters here, writing an article about how this exposed government malfeasance of sitting on exculpatory information for years will exonerate Flynn.  Again, I'm sure all you red-blooded Americans will by now be absolutely livid over this travesty of justice and will now speak your minds against it here.

 

Fox News - Gregg Jarrett: New evidence on Michael Flynn — drop all charges and let him sue his persecutors

 

"The unvarnished truth is that the retired Army lieutenant general and former National Security Adviser never did anything wrong and committed no crimes. He was set up by unscrupulous FBI officials, then relentlessly pursued by Mueller’s team of overzealous prosecutors who were desperate to show that President Trump and his campaign colluded with Russia to win the 2016 presidential election."

 

There's at least one true blue red-blooded American out there who still has his sense of true justice in tact and is making his voice heard loud and clear.  Would be nice if all Americans had this same sense of justice.  Who here wants to see an innocent man sent to prison for a crime he didn't commit and see his life destroyed?  Can we get past politics here?

 

The Federalist - Grassley Demands DOJ Release All Exculpatory Information On Michael Flynn

 

His letter to the DOJ states:  “Simply stated, after years of rampant speculation and publicly reported inconsistencies regarding how the FBI handled the case, it’s time for the public to know the full set of facts relating to Lt. Gen. Flynn, including any and all government misconduct,” Grassley wrote in a letter to DOJ Attorney General William Barr. “In the alternative, I request that you amend the protective order so that Congress can review the information in light of its constitutional oversight prerogatives.”

 

I could go on and on and on but I think I've provided y'all with enough leads to educate yourselves.

3 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

Correction his failed law firm was covington, which has on its staff the corrupt Eric holder. These losers signed a side deal to not prosecute Flynn son, while the corrupt Mueller team of lawyers had tried to have Flynn sign a agreement that there were no side deals. 

 

Complete corrupt special counsel. It has that scum bag Andrew weissman tactics all over it. 

 

These people better be indicted. 

Ding, ding, ding.  LOL  Thanks @Chiphigh for the correction.  I believe I was up to a count of four in telling posters that they didn't know what they were talking about.  I purposely made the 'mistake' of citing Perkins Coie as Flynn's original attorneys to see if any of these posters here, who claim to know sooo much, would correct me.  I did it to prove my point that not one of them have any degree of detailed familiarity with the case and only repeat what little they remember from MSM propaganda narratives they've been spoon fed.

 

Perkins Coie is the law firm involved in the Russian Collusion hoax.

 

Anyway, thanks for being the one to find my 'mistake'.  I kinda figured it'd be a guy like you who knows a thing or two about truth and isn't blinded by the kool aid others have drunk in copious quantities.

58 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The Federalist - Newly Filed Court Documents Include Exculpatory Evidence For Michael Flynn

 

"New court documents filed under seal include significant exculpatory information about Michael Flynn, President Donald Trump’s former National Security Adviser, an FBI official familiar with the situation told The Federalist on Friday. The new documents, which were filed under seal by the Department of Justice Friday, allegedly include exonerating evidence about Flynn, who pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators about his conversations with foreign diplomats as Trump’s top incoming foreign policy adviser and is currently attempting to withdraw his plea, as well as evidence of malfeasance by the FBI during its investigation of Flynn."

I started with this article because it claims there is "exculpatory evidence".

 

I found that there is absolutely no mention of what this exculpatory evidence would be. Actually, the article states:"Because the documents were filed under seal, The Federalist has not been able to review them independently." ????

 

I felt it was not necessary for me to go on losing my time with your so-called "sources".

36 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

@ChiphighI purposely made the 'mistake' of citing Perkins Coie as Flynn's original attorneys <snip>

Sure mate.

38 minutes ago, candide said:

I started with this article because it claims there is "exculpatory evidence".

 

I found that there is absolutely no mention of what this exculpatory evidence would be. Actually, the article states:"Because the documents were filed under seal, The Federalist has not been able to review them independently." ????

 

I felt it was not necessary for me to go on losing my time with your so-called "sources".

Up to you if you want to give up so quickly.  Or maybe you don't really want to know?

 

Yeah, the old "sources" ruse.  LOL  What a joke.