Covid-19: Three quarters of Thais want to keep foreigners out, many cite fear of virus, says poll

[anchadian]

And another poll.

[mr mr]

9 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

#1. No. Too many Chinese will come.

100 odd million chinese have a passport. i imagine that number is going to climb dramatically in the future. they are coming anyway you look at it.

[holy cow cm]

1 minute ago, mr mr said:

100 odd million chinese have a passport. i imagine that number is going to climb dramatically in the future. they are coming anyway you look at it.

But you add gambling and then it will maybe triple. Yuck!

[Cake Monster]

All the Racist and Xenophobic rhetoric from the Authorities aimed at Farang seems to have paid dividends.

The Thai people are now so scared of contacting Covid19 from Foreign Tourists, the very same people who have been called filthy F££King farang by certain Ministers, that they now do not want them in the Country. At least for the near future.

With a Government so desperate to reopen the Tourist Goldmine, this is a propaganda ploy that has well and truly come back to bite them on the A55

[jonclark]

20 minutes ago, franzs said:

  This is a typical comment of somebody missing the nightlife, wishing the country running out of cash and that everything can resume like before.

 

This will not happen.

 

Because Farangs still in down over the last months, have shown their true face, everywhere to be seen without face mask. Because they think they are SUPERIOR.

 

And that is why the Thais are not happy with the Farangs anymore, don't want to see us to have an early come back here.

 

We are still a risk for them health wise (they think)....

 

.....and it is the fault of a handful....

 

 

 

One of the worst post I have seen in a long time. I see people all over the place without facemasks now, however that is irrelevent - the notion it has to do with a superiority complex is half backed at best and a down right lie at worst. What evidence do you have for saying it is because of feeling of superiority - evidence please? 

 

You have none; just an angry person who wishes to vent on a minority group. 

[Misterwhisper]

1 hour ago, tonray said:

Apparently at least 24.28% of Thais work in the sex or beer bar industry

LOL... Actually, it's probably more like 14.68%, while 9.6% are comprised of pimps and other assorted "silent investors".

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, jonclark said:

One of the worst post I have seen in a long time. I see people all over the place without facemasks now, however that is irrelevent - the notion it has to do with a superiority complex is half backed at best and a down right lie at worst. What evidence do you have for saying it is because of feeling of superiority - evidence please? 

 

You have none; just an angry person who wishes to vent on a minority group. 

You are wrong this is a good post, farangs that go out without mask make us all look bad. Thais already love to complain about foreigners and will not complain on other Thais. As guests the spotlight is more on us. 

 

So those not conforming to the rules make us all look bad. It does not work any different in my country where if a guy from Marokko misbehaves we look at the whole group not individual. That is how it works. So these guys are doing us a disservice. 

[jonclark]

8 minutes ago, robblok said:

You are wrong this is a good post, farangs that go out without mask make us all look bad. Thais already love to complain about foreigners and will not complain on other Thais. As guests the spotlight is more on us. 

 

So those not conforming to the rules make us all look bad. It does not work any different in my country where if a guy from Marokko misbehaves we look at the whole group not individual. That is how it works. So these guys are doing us a disservice. 

What evidence it has to do with feelings of superiority?? And neither of those people in the photo had gone out without a mask, they had pulled it down for possibly a couple of seconds for possibly very valid reasons. 

[Traubert]

Say what you like but foreigners with facial hair look unwashed. And i grow it like Japanese Knotweed.

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, jonclark said:

What evidence it has to do with feelings of superiority?? And neither of those people in the photo had gone out without a mask, they had pulled it down for possibly a couple of seconds for possibly very valid reasons. 

Not talking about superiority, though many farangs on this forum seem to think masks are not important (think they have superior knowledge and dont to follow the rules look). I don't care if they are important or not it makes us look bad as a group. These guys are doing us a disservice. I hate the mask but keep it on even if some Thais don't. As a foreigner your always under more scrutiny by some so why give them opportunity. 

[bodga]

47 minutes ago, franzs said:

Because Farangs still in down over the last months, have shown their true face, everywhere to be seen without face mask. Because they think they are SUPERIOR.

I  see, so  Thais  having their  masks   under their  noses is never  seen, Thais  contsantly touching their  masks  is  never  seen,iTs  like their helmets on their  bikes when 65 die a  day or the helmet they used cost 150 baht, hey theyre  wearing a helmet so its  ok, the fact its useless doesnt matter right?

[bodga]

5 minutes ago, robblok said:

I hate the mask but keep it on even if some Thais don't.

As there are  way  many more  Thais in Thailand than foreigners the numbers would  predict  most  people not wearing masks would be  Thais.

[bodga]

5 minutes ago, robblok said:

I hate the mask but keep it on even if some Thais don't.

As there are  way  many more  Thais in Thailand than foreigners the numbers would  predict  most  people not wearing masks would be  Thais.

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, bodga said:

As there are  way  many more  Thais in Thailand than foreigners the numbers would  predict  most  people not wearing masks would be  Thais.

Yes but Thais are not the one under the spotlight.. people standing out are. That is us foreigners. Learn to live with it its the joy of living in an other country when your not look the same as the locals. 

[Catkiwi]

1 hour ago, tonray said:

Apparently at least 24.28% of Thais work in the sex or beer bar industry

That figure may be right but it is not only sex and beer bars. It is about pubs, clubs, hotels, resorts, tourist attractions, taxi's, beach vendors and on and on. Millions of Thai people are out of work and need tourism to survive. There is talk of a Covid test that can have a result within 3 hours so I hope for everyone's sake, that can be introduced here. 3 hours would be better than a 14 day isolation.

[Henryford]

Of course the Chinese are welcome, only the "dirty" farangs are not wanted.

[Thailand]

Haven't all the new cases here been from Thai's returning from overseas?

 

And even if they opened the borders tomorrow there will bè very takers. People will not be jumping on planes for holidays for some time to come so the locals need not worry unless they are in the tourist industry.

[Chivas]

2 hours ago, Eibot said:

Lol. By the end of next month tourists will be allowed back in full force. 100%

I'm being incredibly polite but what planet are you on....??

[Walker88]

Thailand is at a critical juncture in its modern history. Which way it goes from here is uncertain, as there are two competing camps vying for control.

 

One group wants things back to what they were, perhaps cautiously, but the goal over time is to be the Thailand it was last year, drawing lots of int'l tourists, some of whom come for the infamous nightlife.

 

A second camp wants to 'clean up Thailand's image' and also isn't particularly fond of farangs. This poll gives both incentive and ammunition to the second camp, who may see a more moral/less farang Thailand as a vote-getter.

 

If the second camp wins, it is conceivable that places like NEP, Soi Cowboy, plus Walking Street and Soi 6 in Pattaya go the way of the dodo bird. It is also conceivable that farangs will be less welcome, including those who think their retirement visas or Thai wives give them a right to stay in Thailand forever. If real xenophobia picks up steam, piggybacking off Covid fear, and becomes a voter preference, one could easily see all farangs asked to leave, including those with families, retirement visas or Elite Visas. I suspect leadership is looking to see which way the winds are blowing.

 

Don't think so?  Did you ever think the airports would be shut and foreigners barred from entry? That even 'extended visa amnesty' farangs would be barred from inter-province bus lines or barred from entry to certain provinces?

 

Some will say money always wins, and generally one can bank on that in Thailand. Certain folks do make decent dosh off farangs and the nightlife, but there is a camp within the current govt that is not friendly to farangs, nightlife or alcohol. Also, the fact that the govt was willing to throw into poverty a few million Thais whose income was dependent on foreign tourism and nightlife is proof that those citizens with minimal clout are given scant concern.

 

The jury is still out. If I were planning a long life in Thailand, I would make contingency plans in case the 2nd camp wins.

[connda]

I mentions a week or so ago that the Mrs said that most Thais want to borders shut.  Humm.  TVer's scoffed.  Yet, here we are.
Go figure, 'eh?  Shoot the messenger.

[hotandsticky]

1 minute ago, Walker88 said:

Thailand is at a critical juncture in its modern history. Which way it goes from here is uncertain, as there are two competing camps vying for control.

 

One group wants things back to what they were, perhaps cautiously, but the goal over time is to be the Thailand it was last year, drawing lots of int'l tourists, some of whom come for the infamous nightlife.

 

A second camp wants to 'clean up Thailand's image' and also isn't particularly fond of farangs. This poll gives both incentive and ammunition to the second camp, who may see a more moral/less farang Thailand as a vote-getter.

 

If the second camp wins, it is conceivable that places like NEP, Soi Cowboy, plus Walking Street and Soi 6 in Pattaya go the way of the dodo bird. It is also conceivable that farangs will be less welcome, including those who think their retirement visas or Thai wives give them a right to stay in Thailand forever. If real xenophobia picks up steam, piggybacking off Covid fear, and becomes a voter preference, one could easily see all farangs asked to leave, including those with families, retirement visas or Elite Visas. I suspect leadership is looking to see which way the winds are blowing.

 

Don't think so?  Did you ever think the airports would be shut and foreigners barred from entry? That even 'extended visa amnesty' farangs would be barred from inter-province bus lines or barred from entry to certain provinces?

 

Some will say money always wins, and generally one can bank on that in Thailand. Certain folks do make decent dosh off farangs and the nightlife, but there is a camp within the current govt that is not friendly to farangs, nightlife or alcohol. Also, the fact that the govt was willing to throw into poverty a few million Thais whose income was dependent on foreign tourism and nightlife is proof that those citizens with minimal clout are given scant concern.

 

The jury is still out. If I were planning a long life in Thailand, I would make contingency plans in case the 2nd camp wins.

 

 

Money will always win the day here.

[franzs]

8 minutes ago, Catkiwi said:

That figure may be right but it is not only sex and beer bars. It is about pubs, clubs, hotels, resorts, tourist attractions, taxi's, beach vendors and on and on. Millions of Thai people are out of work and need tourism to survive. 

 

Have a look at the European vacation places in Spain, Italy, Croatia and Greece. No tourist anywhere. 

Millions worldwide are out of work especially in the tourist business and it will continue to be like this.

 

it will need several years to get back to a new normal.

 

... in case there is no vaccine soon, it will maybe will never go back to normal

 

[CNXexpat]

2 hours ago, tonray said:

Apparently at least 24.28% of Thais work in the sex or beer bar industry

Yes, and nobody works in restaurants, hotels, at touristic markets as taxi driver, guides, etc. Let me guess, when you wrote your comment you only thought at Pattaya.

[smedly]

2 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

You can blame a number of factors; UK and US governments' poor handling of the crisis

let me correct you

 

UK blatant honesty with the data without reservation 

 

[Joinaman]

9 minutes ago, connda said:

I mentions a week or so ago that the Mrs said that most Thais want to borders shut.  Humm.  TVer's scoffed.  Yet, here we are.
Go figure, 'eh?  Shoot the messenger.

Doe's she also say this includes the dirty Thais who bring the virus back with them ?  According to the goverment, we have no cases from the existing people in Thailand, which included Farangs

Why the worry with the virus, the scared Thais, who often either go without masks, or fail to wear them properly, yet will accept the death of thousand of their children on the roads ?

[connda]

2 hours ago, ChakaKhan said:

Will get to see if the old saying rings true--"Money No. 1"...?

 

Pain is a great motivator, is certainly their right, but curious to see how this plays out....

 

As ive met few thais that know about saving or arent in debt....time will tell

But - those at the top pulling the levers of power are obviously financially insulated from the pain.  They have no dog in the fight so they can keep the country locked-down and isolated as long at they want.  The "little people?"  The wealthy, including leadership, could give a rip about the commoners.  That's pretty much baked into the fabric of Thai culture and societies.  Just watch some Lakhon on TV about the 'good old days' in Thailand when slaves and commoners literally grovelled at the feet of the rich and wealthy.  No doubt they pine for the 'good old days' of Thailand.  Nothing like the Covid-crisis to wheel that model back onto the stage again. 

[franzs]

21 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

 

A second camp wants to 'clean up Thailand's image' and also isn't particularly fond of farangs. This poll gives both incentive and ammunition to the second camp, who may see a more moral/less farang Thailand as a vote-getter.

 

If the second camp wins, it is conceivable that places like NEP, Soi Cowboy, plus Walking Street and Soi 6 in Pattaya go the way of the dodo bird. It is also conceivable that farangs will be less welcome, including those who think their retirement visas or Thai wives give them a right to stay in Thailand forever. If real xenophobia picks up steam, piggybacking off Covid fear, and becomes a voter preference, one could easily see all farangs asked to leave, including those with families, retirement visas or Elite Visas. I suspect leadership is looking to see which way the winds are blowing.

 

Some will say money always wins, and generally one can bank on that in Thailand. Certain folks do make decent dosh off farangs and the nightlife, but there is a camp within the current govt that is not friendly to farangs, nightlife or alcohol. Also, the fact that the govt was willing to throw into poverty a few million Thais whose income was dependent on foreign tourism and nightlife is proof that those citizens with minimal clout are given scant concern.

 

 

First: election was just a few months ago, nobody is campaigning for voters now.

 

Officially prostitution is prohibited in Thailand,

all governments had a blind eye on the nightlife places and that will be also in future like this.

 

No farang will be ask to leave as long all papers are in order.

 

..but it will need some time to get back to

"normal"

 

and don't try to make everything look bad 

[jonclark]

53 minutes ago, robblok said:

Not talking about superiority, though many farangs on this forum seem to think masks are not important (think they have superior knowledge and dont to follow the rules look). I don't care if they are important or not it makes us look bad as a group. These guys are doing us a disservice. I hate the mask but keep it on even if some Thais don't. As a foreigner your always under more scrutiny by some so why give them opportunity. 

Well the post I was replying #35 to was talking about superiority so when you agreed with that post the logical inference is that you also beleive it is to do with superiority. So lets stick to the topic and not move the goalposts. 

 

If you have any evidence that these two individuals pulled their masks down due to a feeling of superiority or due to 'superior knowledge' please do share it. Otherwise I will stick by my reply to post #35. 

 

[ThailandRyan]

2 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Yep, I am unable to return to the UK or travel internationally on business for the foreseeable future. 

 

I took a risk and travelled to Cambodia early March, luckily I got back in before the lockdown began.

 

I knew the risks though, and took the chance. 

I and probably many others who are here on Long Term Visas such as an O-A that I am on, do need to bounce to a border and then return.  I have always returned to the US for a 2 to 3 week period every year in order to extend the Visa I have and not do an extension of stay here in the country.  This way I can take care of family business as well as visit family and see a few doctors.  Of course when  re-entered last November, I had no idea what was in store.  Living here full time would be jeopardized and possibly unable to return if I flew out in August as planned now. 

 

The Xenophobic attitudes and fears, from those folks in the poll obviously have not come from just there own beliefs but have been driven into them by their own government as well as the inability of certain other countries who have not been able to get a hand on this pandemic.  Are there reasons for concern, of course there are, but at the same time, there is an unknown, and with the media and government still hyping that the returnees from foreign countries are infected, then of course people start to believe that the outside world is unsafe.    

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Seems logical to me I also dont want the borders to open to the US and Europe. Why import the virus. We might have to go back to the previous lockdown. Let it wait a bit longer and see how things develop. So far its far worse in other countries. 

 

Then people will moan again about alcohol bans or the closing of shops ect. Why import the trouble of others. Right now it seems to be going the right direction. 

For once I agree with you. I think people who live here should be allowed back in (subject to 14 days quarantine) but letting tourists back in will just put us back a couple of months and we'll be back in lockdown once the cases rise.