25 years of age , acquiring thai passport. How can I avoid conscription

[robboc1]

Hi I’m 25 years of age and born in New Zealand mother is a full thai national and father is a New Zealander .

 

i have recently applied for a thai passport and in the process of getting it , however I only plan on travelling to Thailand for about 3 months on my thai passport because I can’t on my New Zealand one .

 

is there any way to avoid thai military conscription next year? I want to go In December and return to my country before the lottery.Is this possible ? 
 

ive heard different things like I’ve got 5 years to enlist and things like don’t  register to thai housing to avoid it 

 

and would me not fulfilling military service effect future visits on my

New Zealand passport 

 

just looking for some options if anyone could help me 

[ubonjoe]

Not visa or extension related. Moved to the family and children forum.

[blackcab]

Are you entered into a Thai house book (Tabien Baan)?

 

The military draft/lottery uses names from those listed in a Tabien Baan.

[daveAustin]

Be ok unless you're in the 'book' (as above). They would hardly accost you at the airport either way.

[craigieboy1973]

Too old and your not listed in book ... or simply dont use thai pass port 

[kingstonkid]

Why if you really want nothing to do with Thailand other than to visist which you can do eventually on your NZ passport are you getting a Thai one.

[Mak25]

I can't tell you about TH and New Zealand. However, in my case, I am Czech and had my permanent residency in Germany. The German government said that I am Czech and don't need to military service. The Czech government said that I live in Germany so don't have to do military service. The German government would only conscribe until the maximum age of 24 at that time.

 

Your habitual residence is in New Zealand. 

Edited October 7, 2020 by Mak25

[Falcon]

It’s a simple matter of choice. There is no way around it now, other than to take a chance and draw a ball on selection and Hope you get the right color so that you don’t have to enlist. In order to get the Thai passport, you’ll need to be entered in a blue book (house registration), no way around that. When you get the Thai passport, the ONLY way that you can be sure if to be safe is to not travel to Thailand again until you reach 30 years old. After this age, you’ll be exempt. If you try to enter before this age, when you reach the airport and present your passport, you will most likely be detained, arrested and then taken directly to the military for 2 years service. This also goes the same if you try to use your NZ passport too as they will link it. I’ve seen people in the same situation think that they can beat the system by using their foreign policy to enter only to be marched off to military camp and we’ve two years service.

[klauskunkel]

Just in case: Pretend to only understand English.

[Pilotman]

my friend's son was in just your position, as a Thai Brit citizen. He was selected in the lottery and had to give up his Thai citizenship to avoid conscription.  Having said that, I said 'had to' but he did have a choice and a year in the military can be a defining and positive experience, so I would caution on dismissing it as a option. My Thai Brit daughter, educated and living in the UK,  is even considering a three year engagement in the Thai Navy, as a career move for her.  As an Education Officer, ( she is tri=lingual and has a degree in education) if she was lucky enough to pass selection, would be great for her and her future. 

Edited October 7, 2020 by Pilotman

[Oxx]

1 hour ago, Pilotman said:

a year in the military can be a defining and positive experience

 

Yes, if you want to learn how to be a servant for the privileged.  Pick up a lot about house and car cleaning, along with some gardening skills.

However, if you're lucky, you might simply get beaten to death by your fellow soldiers.

[johng]

You can  become a "Ladyboy"  the more outrageously overboard the better  ,become a monk or a perpetual student until  too old for conscription or pay a bribe of about 30,000 +++++  baht

 

[AgMech Cowboy]

On 10/6/2020 at 1:36 PM, robboc1 said:

is there any way to avoid thai military conscription next year?

Join, enlist.

You have many other answers. I'm sure one is right. Good luck!!

 

[abrahamzvi]

3 hours ago, Mak25 said:

I can't tell you about TH and New Zealand. However, in my case, I am Czech and had my permanent residency in Germany. The German government said that I am Czech and don't need to military service. The Czech government said that I live in Germany so don't have to do military service. The German government would only conscribe until the maximum age of 24 at that time.

 

Your habitual residence is in New Zealand. 

Germany has no conscription. It was cancelled some 6 years ago.

[tifino]

1 hour ago, johng said:

You can  become a "Ladyboy"  the more outrageously overboard the better  ,become a monk or a perpetual student until  too old for conscription or pay a bribe of about 30,000 +++++  baht

 

the option to be a Monk for 3 Months in lieu, is an actual option on the table...

My nephew availed it 

 

 

admitted later he enjoyed it too

[Pilotman]

1 hour ago, Oxx said:

 

Yes, if you want to learn how to be a servant for the privileged.  Pick up a lot about house and car cleaning, along with some gardening skills.

However, if you're lucky, you might simply get beaten to death by your fellow soldiers.

The usual anti Thai nonsense. Yes, there is bullying in the Services, there always has been. but many young Thai men benefit from the experience, learning a trade, or just being able to travel around their own country and experience the outdoor life in a way that they never would otherwise. Plentiful food, exercise, training and pay.   Don't believe all the rubbish that you read, or that is spouted by people like you. 

[lastwabi]

You don't have to worry as long as you have not register yourself into the Tabien Baan. For my case, I got my Thai Birth Certificate and Thai Passport (About to) at the Thai Embassy of my birth country without going to Thailand and register myself into the Tabien Baan.

Even if you have already registered yourself into the Tabien Baan, your chance of getting called up are super slim.

[Pilotman]

8 minutes ago, tifino said:

the option to be a Monk for 3 Months in lieu, is an actual option on the table...

My nephew availed it 

 

 

admitted later he enjoyed it too

yep,  nothing like spending 3 months as a useless leech on society, robbing poor people each morning of what little food many of them have, in lieu of something more positive and worthwhile. 

[Rookiescot]

You could go the ladyboy route. I'd recommend the "absolutely flaming" variety just to be on the safe side.

Turn up at the draft looking like Carmen Miranda and Bobs your uncle you fail the medical. 

 

 

[Mak25]

1 hour ago, abrahamzvi said:

Germany has no conscription. It was cancelled some 6 years ago.

Correct, but my case is older than 6 years.

[Caldera]

1 hour ago, Pilotman said:

yep,  nothing like spending 3 months as a useless leech on society, robbing poor people each morning of what little food many of them have, in lieu of something more positive and worthwhile. 

While I'm not really a fan of the Thai clergy, saying that they are effectively worse than even Thailand's dishonorable military really takes the cake.

 

The OP seems to have no delusions of glory associated with Thai military service. Good for him.

[Pilotman]

1 hour ago, Caldera said:

While I'm not really a fan of the Thai clergy, saying that they are effectively worse than even Thailand's dishonorable military really takes the cake.

 

The OP seems to have no delusions of glory associated with Thai military service. Good for him.

They are indeed much worse  

[tifino]

3 hours ago, Pilotman said:

yep,  nothing like spending 3 months as a useless leech on society, robbing poor people each morning of what little food many of them have, in lieu of something more positive and worthwhile. 

this individual wouldn't have survived as a grunt...

and definitely not mature enough to be given control of a weapon 

[robboc1]

6 hours ago, tifino said:

the option to be a Monk for 3 Months in lieu, is an actual option on the table...

My nephew availed it 

 

 

admitted later he enjoyed it too

Is this really a viable option because I would much rather be a monk for 3 months 

[Hanuman2547]

18 hours ago, Falcon said:

It’s a simple matter of choice. There is no way around it now, other than to take a chance and draw a ball on selection and Hope you get the right color so that you don’t have to enlist. In order to get the Thai passport, you’ll need to be entered in a blue book (house registration), no way around that. When you get the Thai passport, the ONLY way that you can be sure if to be safe is to not travel to Thailand again until you reach 30 years old. After this age, you’ll be exempt. If you try to enter before this age, when you reach the airport and present your passport, you will most likely be detained, arrested and then taken directly to the military for 2 years service. This also goes the same if you try to use your NZ passport too as they will link it. I’ve seen people in the same situation think that they can beat the system by using their foreign policy to enter only to be marched off to military camp and we’ve two years service.

This is absurd.  Both of my luk krung boys, who now live in the USA, have travelled in and out of Thailand with both their US and Thai passports.  They hold Thai and US citizenship, have Thai ID cards, are fluent in Thai and English, and are both registered in the house registration blue book (Tabian Baan).  Not once has the subject of Thai military service ever come up either entering or exiting Thailand.  They have entered and exited the country numerous times in their 20's with no issue.  Now that they are both in their 30's there is no chance that they will be drafted.  You definitely do not know what you are talking about and have no direct experience with this.  

[tifino]

11 hours ago, robboc1 said:

Is this really a viable option because I would much rather be a monk for 3 months 

totally 'viable' ...  his mum was speaking for him when the situation first arose (as he went to ground in fright of it all) - and she was given the two options side by side (grunt or Monk) 

 

Nephew holds Aus & Thai passports, this all started up whilst he was domicile in Oz

[The Old Bull]

Just pay the money, no problem.

[elgenon]

LadyBoys can avoid it. Hint hint.

[FritsSikkink]

On ‎10‎/‎7‎/‎2020 at 2:15 PM, craigieboy1973 said:

Too old and your not listed in book ... or simply dont use thai pass port 

Not too old

[bermondburi]

On 10/7/2020 at 11:18 AM, Pilotman said:

my friend's son was in just your position, as a Thai Brit citizen. He was selected in the lottery and had to give up his Thai citizenship to avoid conscription.  Having said that, I said 'had to' but he did have a choice and a year in the military can be a defining and positive experience, so I would caution on dismissing it as a option. My Thai Brit daughter, educated and living in the UK,  is even considering a three year engagement in the Thai Navy, as a career move for her.  As an Education Officer, ( she is tri=lingual and has a degree in education) if she was lucky enough to pass selection, would be great for her and her future. 

Only pure Thai can be officers though I think. So it's the enlisted for your daughter.