As legal blitz flounders, Trump protesters back false election claims

[heybruce]

11 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

I believe you are spot on.   Take a look at american TV shows, news broadcasts etc and everything is constantly repeated over and over and over again that not long people believe it.

Good news, there is a revolutionary new means of disseminating news; it's called printing.

 

The bad news is that it requires those who wish to be informed to know how to read and have the discipline to do so.  However, in view of the problems you identified with relying on television for news, I have hope that this reading thing will take off.

[heybruce]

35 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Has the USA ever been politically united ?

The USA has always been politically polarised .

Biden may face the prospect of a three way divide .

Dems, Republicans and Antifa

Has the US ever been this divided in living memory?  I'm sure things were worse during the civil war, but until Newt Gingrich demonstrated that political advantage could be gained (at the expense of national interest) by a stubborn refusal to compromise, partisan politics has ruled.  Trump took it to eleven.

 

BTW: right wing groups, in terms of numbers, political influence, and violent crimes, are a far greater problem than Antifa.  I know Trump says otherwise, but he has been known to, um, 'misrepresent the facts'. 

 

Oh alright, he's a lying sack of misrepresented alternative facts.

[Jingthing]

22 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Has the US ever been this divided in living memory?  I'm sure things were worse during the civil war, but until Newt Gingrich demonstrated that political advantage could be gained (at the expense of national interest) by a stubborn refusal to compromise, partisan politics has ruled.  Trump took it to eleven.

 

BTW: right wing groups, in terms of numbers, political influence, and violent crimes, are a far greater problem than Antifa.  I know Trump says otherwise, but he has been known to, um, 'misrepresent the facts'. 

 

Oh alright, he's a lying sack of misrepresented alternative facts.

Of course the only comparison we have now as far as level of division is to the civil war. There was a lot division during the youth culture hippie thing in the 60s such as at the Chicago democratic convention but the current situation is much worse than that. 

 

Another thing to consider. The civil war involved largely clear geographical boundaries. The current division doesn't. For example the state of Georgia. Pure confederacy during the civil war. Now divided along race, education level, gender, religious, rural, suburban, and urban lines and indeed within neighborhoods and families. In some ways (obviously short of mass bloodshed which current entities such as the vile Boogaloos are promoting as inevitable) this era is more difficult to see a way out of.

 

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/409718-analyst-says-the-us-is-the-most-divided-since-the-civl-war

 

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Analyst says US is most divided since Civil War

 

https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/the-boogaloo-movement-5-fast-facts/

[Enoon]

11 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Lets not forget that over 70,000,000 Americans still voted for him - after experiencing him for 4 years. Almost unbelievable. 

 

Republican voters have to vote Republican.

 

They voted Republican.

 

It's possible that some, acknowledging their previous "misunderstanding", withheld their vote in order to unseat the Beast.

 

That would be a wonderful thing for America, Americans and the rest of us.......God Bless them if they did.

 

(That's my contribution to the "healing" process)

 

The "Crazies" voted for Trump.

 

They did so in '16 and '20.

 

They will again if he starts his own party.

 

 

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Just when I said the same about the BLM marches and riots , I get reliably informed that open air marches are quite safe by the lefties .

   Seems open air marches supporting Trump are a danger in regards to catching Covid , yet open air marches by Anti-Trumpers are quite safe ????

If you care to look at the videos, you will find the anti-Trumpers, as you describe them, are mostly wearing masks. 95% of Trump supporters are not. As I have said before, it's a shame the virus does not select its victims on the basis of their stupidity.

A quarter of a million deaths, 4 million active cases, more to come as America gets deeper into winter. You must be very proud of a leader who is resembling the Pied Piper of Hamelin more every day.

[heybruce]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Of course the only comparison we have now as far as level of division is to the civil war. There was a lot division during the youth culture hippie thing in the 60s such as at the Chicago democratic convention but the current situation is much worse than that. 

 

Another thing to consider. The civil war involved largely clear geographical boundaries. The current division doesn't. For example the state of Georgia. Pure confederacy during the civil war. Now divided along rural, suburban, and urban lines and indeed within neighborhoods and families. In some ways (obviously short of mass bloodshed which current entities such as the vile Boogaloos are promoting as inevitable) this era is more difficult to see a way out of.

 

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/409718-analyst-says-the-us-is-the-most-divided-since-the-civl-war

If you want to heal the divide for the good of the nation, the problem is daunting.

 

However if you want to exploit the divisions for political and personal gain, there are opportunities aplenty.  Just don't get too invested in the future of your country.  Trump and his enablers are clearly not invested in the US, regardless of his disgusting flag hugging.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

If you want to heal the divide for the good of the nation, the problem is daunting.

 

However if you want to exploit the divisions for political and personal gain, there are opportunities aplenty.  Just don't get too invested in the future of your country.  Trump and his enablers are clearly not invested in the US, regardless of his disgusting flag hugging.

I agree that the movement of Mr. Trump is the opposite of America First. It's more like America down the toilet. The damage that he has managed to inflict in four years is awesome. Certainly nothing that is easily or quickly reversible. 

[heybruce]

10 minutes ago, Enoon said:

 

Republican voters have to vote Republican.

 

They voted Republican.

 

It's possible that some, acknowledging their previous "misunderstanding", withheld their vote in order to unseat the Beast.

 

That would be a wonderful thing for America, Americans and the rest of us.......God Bless them if they did.

 

(That's my contribution to the "healing" process)

 

The "Crazies" voted for Trump.

 

They did so in '16 and '20.

 

They will again if he starts his own party.

 

I have a friend from the days when it was possible for Democrats and Republicans to be friends.  He is an educated, intelligent, patriotic man, and was a true hard core Republican.  Then along came Trump.  Now he is an outspoken never-Trumper.  He gives me hope for the Republican party. 

[Walker88]

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   He is waiting for all the votes to be counted , its a three month transitional process 

Like he did in 2016? (He didn't).

 

First he appointed Chris Christie as the head of his transition team. Two days after the election---yet well before 'all the votes were counted'---jared fired Christie and 45 and jared decided, according to Michael Wolf's book, that 'we can figure out how to run the government in two hours.

 

The guy could even run a profitable casino, much less an $18 trillion economy.  Obviously, given his miserable performance, his and jared's optimism proved dead wrong.

[heybruce]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I agree that the movement of Mr. Trump is the opposite of America First. It's more like America down the toilet. The damage that he has managed to inflict in four years is awesome. Certainly nothing that is easily or quickly reversible. 

Agreed.  The world is no longer a large planet of isolated countries; it is a small planet where greatness is determined by a nation's character and alliances.  Trump has made America a lonely place that is much less than it once was.

 

America can not be first when it is alone.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I have a friend from the days when it was possible for Democrats and Republicans to be friends.  He is an educated, intelligent, patriotic man, and was a true hard core Republican.  Then along came Trump.  Now he is an outspoken never-Trumper.  He gives me hope for the Republican party. 

Yes, but there aren't nearly enough of them. On the other hand, I doubt Biden would have won if it wasn't for the Lincoln Project. So I guess I would add them (yes, republicans) to black women as essential factors.

[billd766]

57 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   I dont think that they will be protesting against Biden .

They will oppose him, but I dont think that they be rioting in the streets and causing problems 

I am not too sure about that, as there are too many simple minds out there with too many guns.

 

57 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

You are right...I can't see, for the life of me, the Proud Boys ever causing trouble.

See my thoughts above.

[RocketDog]

Next week there will be less protests, and by next month they will quit completely. 

His supporters will tire of the ridicule they garnish from others and lose their enthusiasm. Some may even realize they have been conned and duped. 

The people that supported him because he had power will abandon his sinking ship. 

 

He is a loser, a has-been, yesterday's news. Like sports heroes, Rock stars and celebrities he is over due for replacement, obsolete. 

 

His world is crumbling before his eyes and he is imploding. He now understands that his public is abandoning him and he reviles them for it. Cowards and bullies like him have no real courage or moral compass to guide them. He will resign before Christmas and slink back to one of his hotels so Pence can pardon him. 

 

It will all play out, just give it time. 

[OneMoreFarang]

27 minutes ago, Enoon said:

Republican voters have to vote Republican.

 

They voted Republican.

No!

 

I see from time to time an old American, well educated, woman. She told me her family and she are since forever registered GOP members. And she told me she voted for Biden. And last election she voted for Hillary.

So it seems there are at least some GOP members who don't follow the party line. Good!

 

 

[Tug]

One thing I don’t understand about trump supporters is how they get all puffed up wrapping themselves in the flag and patriotism when their hero is a draft dodger ignores bounty’s on GIs believes our enemies over our friends and institutions has proven time and time again he can’t work within the constitution sorry I just don’t (get it)

[OneMoreFarang]

2 minutes ago, Tug said:

One thing I don’t understand about trump supporters is how they get all puffed up wrapping themselves in the flag and patriotism when their hero is a draft dodger ignores bounty’s on GIs believes our enemies over our friends and institutions has proven time and time again he can’t work within the constitution sorry I just don’t (get it)

That is obviously all fake news. Their hero is the perfect hero. He would never ever do anything unpatriotic. And anybody who things otherwise must be a socialist or a communist or whatever-ist. ???? 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Yes, looks like Trump will be gone and Biden will replace him .

Wont you miss Trump ?

Daily muscle flexing sabre rattling posts , saying "Trump is a blah blah blah" and attacking anyone who disagrees .

  Wont you miss that ?

I won’t miss Trump.

 

The rest relates to your own problems with others disagreeing with you.

[Chomper Higgot]

35 minutes ago, Tug said:

One thing I don’t understand about trump supporters is how they get all puffed up wrapping themselves in the flag and patriotism when their hero is a draft dodger ignores bounty’s on GIs believes our enemies over our friends and institutions has proven time and time again he can’t work within the constitution sorry I just don’t (get it)

He validates hate and mongers fear.

 

Hate and fear are powerful tools to control people.

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, BobBKK said:

defund the Police

That has been proven to be taken out of context, because there was no real "defunding of the police", it was more to allocate funds to folks associated with the police so it would leave the police to do the work which they were put in place to do.

 

As it stands, much money is spent and wasted, and much stress is put on the police force for answering calls from the public such things as "my cat is stuck up a tree", or "there is a large pothole in my road".

 

To me it seems perfectly plain that the police are not there to deal with those sort of problems, however other folks/departments could do and that was the intent of a redistribution of funding.

 

The fact that it has been used as a battle-cry by trump supporters is just another lie in one of the thousands he has told, and that his supporters blindly accept and follow.

 

Get up to speed and read the detail associated with the rants you post.
 

[Justgrazing]

13 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Trump's refusal to accept defeat has stalled the official transition. The federal agency that releases funding to an incoming president-elect, the General Services Administration, has yet to recognize Biden's victory, denying him access to federal office space and resources

 

The implacable foes of the U S must be viewing this petulant refusal to engage with an incoming administration as heaven sent .. and the torrent of disinformation from them to try and capitalise on it will not cease even after dodo Don eventually get's the game is up and vacates .. Putin's had him eating out of his hand for years with confirmation if any was needed at the quite ridiculous Helsinki press conference with them together in which Trump alluded to the chat in which he'd asked Vlad' if Russia had been meddling in the 2016 

election ..

 

" President Putin have you now or ever before messed about with our election ?? " ..

" But of course not President Trump not over Rasputin's dead body would we think of doing such a thing " ..

 

said the ex KGB Colonel well versed in the practice of Maskirovska ( the art  of deception and subterfuge ) that the Russians have made their own .. before reaching into his pocket for a handful of oats to feed Don with .. 

 

They ( Russia ) will not give up easily now their easily manipulated one has lost the election and a surge in falsehoods and unsubstantiated claims that pivot around Trump's " we wuz' robbed " narrative to try and continue sowing division and discord is anticipated .. 

[wabothai]

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   You will  just have to accept that some people have a different opinion to you 

trumpism is unacceptable period.

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5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

They're not protesting.  It's a rally showing support for Trump.  A protest implies they're protesting the election of Biden.  Biden has not been certified as president elect.  (Sorry about the bad news.)  So a protest isn't possible at this point.

 

As to the false election claims, well LOL.  We shall see whether they're false or not.

 

In the meanwhile, I'll again warn people to not count their chickens before they hatch.  I predict a 2nd Trump term guaranteed.  If nothing else, the Constitution provides the avenue.

If the state legislature route was what you were counting on, better start counting on something else:

 

Republican leaders in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin throw cold water on ploy to flip electors to Trump

 

Republican leaders in Michigan and three other critical states won by President-elect Joe Biden say they won't participate in a legally dubious scheme to flip their state's electors to vote for President Donald Trump. Their comments effectively shut down a half-baked plot some Republicans floated as a last chance to keep Trump in the White House.

 

State GOP lawmakers in Michigan, Arizona, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have all said they would not intervene in the selection of electors, who ultimately cast the votes that secure a candidate's victory.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/14/ploy-flip-electors-trump-rejected-republican-leaders-4-key-states/6298966002/

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A lot of the nonsense alleged by Trump voters concerning electoral fraud comes from the The Gateway Pundit. Here's a link to a wikipedia article about that cesspool.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit

[Throatwobbler]

5 hours ago, BobBKK said:

 

No I loathe Trump and have said so - but... (this is the bit you won't like) I loathe pc liberals more. Im just being honest and telling you why I could not support (not that it matters what I think) the BLM/Antifa - defund the Police nonsense and 73 million Americans probably agree. Bet most of them don't actually like DJT.

Defund the police. Do you even know what that means are are you just posting things that you have seen right wingers complaining about without looking into what it is actually about.

[xylophone]

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

A lot of the nonsense alleged by Trump voters concerning electoral fraud comes from the The Gateway Pundit. Here's a link to a wikipedia article about that cesspool.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit

Quote..."The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right^[8] news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories".

 

But the feeble minded need a source, no matter how false, in order to belong to the cult, and you can't fix stupid.

[darksidedog]

A particularly nasty post has been removed and the poster give a significant time out to reflect upon his idiocy.

Stay on topic and within not only Forum rules, but the bounds of common decency please, or suffer the consequences.

[Walker88]

8 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

They're not protesting.  It's a rally showing support for Trump.  A protest implies they're protesting the election of Biden.  Biden has not been certified as president elect.  (Sorry about the bad news.)  So a protest isn't possible at this point.

 

As to the false election claims, well LOL.  We shall see whether they're false or not.

 

In the meanwhile, I'll again warn people to not count their chickens before they hatch.  I predict a 2nd Trump term guaranteed.  If nothing else, the Constitution provides the avenue.

 

It sure looked like a protest, especially those placards sporting trite slogans like 'Stop the Steal'.

 

45's own Homeland Security issued a report saying 2020 was the most transparent and secure election in history.  45 got his butt kicked by, when the final counting is done (which he can't overcome because he's behind by more votes than remain to be counted), he will have lost by over 6 million votes, an astonishing bludgeoning for an incumbent.

 

If you are so confident in your prediction, place a bet on it. No doubt Vegas will gladly take your money, if they can stop laughing long enough.

 

45 can play the whimpering two year old up until 12:01 on 20 January 2021, at which point---if he's not gone---the Commander-in-Chief Joe Biden will order folks to physically remove the trespasser, whose entry badge to WH grounds will no longer be valid.

[IgboChief]

16 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Lets not forget that over 70,000,000 Americans still voted for him - after experiencing him for 4 years. Almost unbelievable. 

 

Frank,

as I wrote before: it is actually believable, but nobody dares to draw the conclusion from it. If 70 Mill. people prefer to vote for a toxic clown in order to tear down a democracy instead of contributing to the development of the nation and the people, then this nation is doomed. Hating to live in the basement, they'd rather burn down the whole house.

 

How to run and to govern a democracy - an organization which depends on informed decision - with people like that?

Russia and China must laugh their asses off these days.

[joecoolfrog]

5 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   I dont think that they will be protesting against Biden .

They will oppose him, but I dont think that they be rioting in the streets and causing problems 

 

5 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   I dont think that they will be protesting against Biden .

They will oppose him, but I dont think that they be rioting in the streets and causing problems 

If the police kept shooting them they might !

[Walker88]

Here's some data that really shows the value, or lack thereof, of 45 supporters....

 

Biden won 16% of all US Counties (477), while 45 won 84% of all US Counties (2497), but Biden's Counties represent 70% of US GDP, while what 45 won only represents a mere 30% of US GDP.

 

Clearly Biden areas carry the country's economy, and also carry the areas where 45's supporters live. Those figures almost make 45's areas look like Socialists, as they are living off the production of others. Indeed, the largest net contributors to Federal coffers are Blue States like CA and NY, while the biggest net takers from the Federal Govt are all Red States. This comes as little surprise, as States 45 won are all at the top of the list of % of per capita citizenry on Social Security Disability Insurance (Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Mississippi, Arkansas)