Authorities probing why Thai woman with Covid-19 was not quarantined

[Truth Will Set You Free]

4 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

5 hours ago, Truth Will Set You Free said:

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Why would a Covid case be fake news. Do you believe the Thai government is deliberately trying to tank their domestic tourism, or creating a potential protestor shutdown by shutting the countries provinces next.

What do you think? For them to talk how great they have been on protecting the spread, and now they allow their own citizen come into the country without being quarantine!  
 

The information was too detail, so in how many days should there be a pike. So Let’s see where those numbers go! 

[mtls2005]

Why hasn't this woman been identified (named)?

 

Will she have to make the perp re-enactment, with pointing?

 

 

[onthedarkside]

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[katatonic]

On 11/29/2020 at 10:53 AM, Jeffr2 said:

they are using cell phones to do contact tracing.  If other phones are on while in the bus or van, they'll know who was there.  No app needed for this.

Good luck with identifying any or all the phones on one vehicle on one past day in city traffic.

[Jeffr2]

17 minutes ago, katatonic said:

Good luck with identifying any or all the phones on one vehicle on one past day in city traffic.

Not as hard when traveling between cities though....

[rct99q]

17 hours ago, AmySeeker said:

 

Outdoor markets are less of a risk than malls. Being out in the air has been proven to be less risky. 

 

For sure, agree. People were jammed shoulder to shoulder approx 10-12 across the street. For nearly two hours. Both Nights. I have been many times and weekends are usually the same. Last time i was there was in August but was a Wednesday night and nearly everyone was wearing masks and had no problem keeping at least 6 feet apart.

 

This past weekend people literally shoulder to shoulder pressed up to the backs of the person in front. Think of an elevator with 12 people in it. Less than 25% wearing masks. 

 

So yes being outdoors helps but in the environment this past weekend it wouldnt help much.

 

We wore our masks, and shot down a couple of side streets when the crowds of people stopped moving because of the sheer numbers.

 

 

[Mike k]

Cha Cha will be banning alcohol sales and implementing curfew before long 

[EricTh]

I hope she doesn't become the super-spreader in Thailand...

[Rimmer]

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[petedk]

On 11/29/2020 at 9:10 AM, FarFlungFalang said:

The hardest possible punishment is death.Are you suggesting she should be put to death for getting sick?Is that to deter others from getting sick?Seems to be a bit of hate going around a symptom of this virus and a lot of fear and loathing.

I meant the hardest punishment according to the law. Surely it wasn't necessary to say that. 

Of course she shouldn't be sentenced to death but maybe imprisoned for a while.

 

I don't mean she should be punished for getting sick either!

Every Thai person I know is terrified of Covid-19 and the fact that she was sick with it and then walked around knowing that she possibly had it and thereby infecting others is a criminal act in my mind.

[petedk]

On 11/30/2020 at 9:15 AM, Truth Will Set You Free said:

I would not suggest death but I would suggest life in prison if others are infected or die for her selflessness. That would be an good example.

 

This is a prime example of the new generation of the Thai women.

This is what their mothers teach them to be.

 

As for the borders being open and allowing Thais to come in and not tested is not the people fault alone. Everyone in the chain should be placed in jail as well for not ensuring everyone coming in are test and quarantined. 
 

So let’s see just how many domestic cases pop up in the news.  I think it’s fake news. 

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Money, shopping and no consideration of others.

Yes, that's what several Thais call the young people of today

 

"The me, me, me generation"

[anchadian]

Still probing are they?

[metisdead]

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[onthedarkside]

On 11/29/2020 at 8:49 PM, Blumpie said:

  One touch of anything, touch your phone, then a day later touch your phone and your eye and you can easily get it.  It's nasty.  

 

The original reporting on the likelihood of catching the coronavirus via surface contact seems to have been overblown. These days, the medical experts are much more restrained about the prospects for that method of transmission, and say the respiratory spread method is far more likely and prevalent.

 

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200903/coronavirus-on-surfaces-whats-the-real-risk

 

 

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"In my opinion, the chance of transmission through inanimate surfaces is very small, and only in instances where an infected person coughs or sneezes on the surface, and someone else touches that surface soon after the cough or sneeze (within 1-2 hours)," Goldman wrote. Basically, it would take the perfect combination of events Blumberg described to get sick from touching something contaminated with the virus.

 

Also, studies have only proved that the virus stays alive on surfaces -- not that you can catch it from touching those surfaces. "They don't prove that just because it can survive on a surface, it can be transmitted that way," Blumberg says.
 

In late May, the CDC updated its website to say it's possible, but unlikely, for people to catch the virus this way.

 

 

[FarFlungFalang]

On 12/1/2020 at 1:35 PM, petedk said:

I meant the hardest punishment according to the law. Surely it wasn't necessary to say that. 

Of course she shouldn't be sentenced to death but maybe imprisoned for a while.

 

I don't mean she should be punished for getting sick either!

Every Thai person I know is terrified of Covid-19 and the fact that she was sick with it and then walked around knowing that she possibly had it and thereby infecting others is a criminal act in my mind.

If you start punishing people who are infected and sneak across borders then people will stop getting tested and seeking treatment as these people did giving authorities a chance to track it down,if they stop getting tested it will be much harder to stop. 

Edited December 2, 2020 by FarFlungFalang

[Jeffr2]

41 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

If you start punishing people who are infected and sneak across borders then people will stop getting tested and seeking treatment as these people did giving authorities a chance to track it down,if they stop getting tested it will be much harder to stop. 

Guess the Thai authorities don't agree with you.

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1195005-thailand-to-prosecute-illegal-entrants-found-covid-19-positive/?utm_source=newsletter-20201203-0543&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news

[ThailandRyan]

Number of infected Thai women who crossed illegally and did not quarantine is now up to 10.wonder how many more they will find that crossed illegally Nd are positive.  Looks like a superspreader convention happened at the bar in Myanmar

https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-thai-coronavirus-cluster-myanmar.amp

Edited December 2, 2020 by ThailandRyan

[FarFlungFalang]

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Guess the Thai authorities don't agree with you.

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1195005-thailand-to-prosecute-illegal-entrants-found-covid-19-positive/?utm_source=newsletter-20201203-0543&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news

I guess the Thai Health Ministry does agree.

 

"After learning of the above cases, the Public Health Ministry has called on people to stop sneaking into the country like this because the government provides free quarantine facilities as well as food. People entering the country illegally are encouraged to report for a test."

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1194957-all-six-thai-women-who-sneaked-in-from-myanmar-test-positive-for-covid-19/#comments

Edited December 3, 2020 by FarFlungFalang

[Jeffr2]

14 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I guess the Thai Health Ministry does agree.

 

"After learning of the above cases, the Public Health Ministry has called on people to stop sneaking into the country like this because the government provides free quarantine facilities as well as food. People entering the country illegally are encouraged to report for a test."

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1194957-all-six-thai-women-who-sneaked-in-from-myanmar-test-positive-for-covid-19/#comments

Guess you didn't read my article.  Here's the headline.

 

Thailand to prosecute illegal entrants found Covid-19 positive

[placnx]

On 12/3/2020 at 6:35 AM, ThailandRyan said:

Number of infected Thai women who crossed illegally and did not quarantine is now up to 10.wonder how many more they will find that crossed illegally Nd are positive.  Looks like a superspreader convention happened at the bar in Myanmar

https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-thai-coronavirus-cluster-myanmar.amp

Perhaps Ubonjoe could answer this: Is the reason that these people cross illegally - because they don't have passports, so can't stay in Burma very long, or that they have no work permit there? Then, since they entered Burma illegally, they cannot come back to Thailand through a border checkpoint.

[KhaoNiaw]

7 minutes ago, placnx said:

Perhaps Ubonjoe could answer this: Is the reason that these people cross illegally - because they don't have passports, so can't stay in Burma very long, or that they have no work permit there? Then, since they entered Burma illegally, they cannot come back to Thailand through a border checkpoint.

Even if they could get into Myanmar legally, they presumably wouldn't want to do the quarantine period there either. 

[placnx]

2 hours ago, KhaoNiaw said:

Even if they could get into Myanmar legally, they presumably wouldn't want to do the quarantine period there either. 

OK. I just looked at this link, where it's claimed than Burma implemented border surveillance after notification from WHO January 4-5 re Wuhan pneumonia! The timeline shows that 14-day quarantine at border March 22-24, but entry was banned from all countries on March 31st. Interesting....

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/future-development/2020/12/01/myanmars-response-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Further down in this analysis, the status of health care in Burma shows why any sick, rational person would head for Thailand!

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 11/30/2020 at 2:35 PM, Truth Will Set You Free said:

What do you think? For them to talk how great they have been on protecting the spread, and now they allow their own citizen come into the country without being quarantine!

The authorities didn't "allow" these people to enter without quarantine - they entered the country illegally.

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, placnx said:

Perhaps Ubonjoe could answer this: Is the reason that these people cross illegally - because they don't have passports, so can't stay in Burma very long, or that they have no work permit there? Then, since they entered Burma illegally, they cannot come back to Thailand through a border checkpoint.

 

It's called trafficking. Probably a regular, illegal cross-border affair with Thai women working in Myanmar's border casinos bars and karaokes. All enabled by money being paid to facilitate numerous authorities on both sides of the border to look the other way. Passports and work permits aren't needed.

 

It appears a cluster of infections caused the Myanmar authorities to either close or impose night time curfews in Tachileik. With little chance of making the same money as before, as soon as some of them got the symptoms, they came home.

[Truth Will Set You Free]

46 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

On 11/30/2020 at 2:35 PM, Truth Will Set You Free said:

What do you think? For them to talk how great they have been on protecting the spread, and now they allow their own citizen come into the country without being quarantine!

The authorities didn't "allow" these people to enter without quarantine - they entered the country illegally.

There was nothing in the first article that stated the 29 yr old girl came in the illegally. Did you miss that? 

[NanLaew]

14 hours ago, Truth Will Set You Free said:

14 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

On 11/30/2020 at 2:35 PM, Truth Will Set You Free said:

What do you think? For them to talk how great they have been on protecting the spread, and now they allow their own citizen come into the country without being quarantine!

The authorities didn't "allow" these people to enter without quarantine - they entered the country illegally.

There was nothing in the first article that stated the 29 yr old girl came in the illegally. Did you miss that? 

 

If by 'first article' you mean the Nation article cited in the OP, it simply states, "...she returned to Thailand via Mae Sai district of Chiang Rai." It does not say she returned via the Mae Sai border checkpoint, only through Mae Sai district.

 

Although that article doesn't specifically state it, the 29 year-old was the first of the Tachileik casino workers to illegally re-enter Thailand over a natural border (after having departed illegally about a month earlier). Their entry and exit to/from Myanmar was also illegal.

[placnx]

16 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

It's called trafficking. Probably a regular, illegal cross-border affair with Thai women working in Myanmar's border casinos bars and karaokes. All enabled by money being paid to facilitate numerous authorities on both sides of the border to look the other way. Passports and work permits aren't needed.

 

It appears a cluster of infections caused the Myanmar authorities to either close or impose night time curfews in Tachileik. With little chance of making the same money as before, as soon as some of them got the symptoms, they came home.

Thanks for explaining why this is happening.

[jackdd]

16 hours ago, NanLaew said:

With little chance of making the same money as before, as soon as some of them got the symptoms, they came home.

Probably also because they would have to pay for any treatment in Myanmar and the Hospital there might notify immigration about having a patient who entered Myanmar illegally. Sneaking back to Thailand and receiving free treatment here is obviously more convenient.

[Truth Will Set You Free]

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

If by 'first article' you mean the Nation article cited in the OP, it simply states, "...she returned to Thailand via Mae Sai district of Chiang Rai." It does not say she returned via the Mae Sai border checkpoint, only through Mae Sai district.

 

Although that article doesn't specifically state it, the 29 year-old was the first of the Tachileik casino workers to illegally re-enter Thailand over a natural border (after having departed illegally about a month earlier). Their entry and exit to/from Myanmar was also illegal.

Ok, what’s the point? I only stated what I read that was there. I even think I called it fake news because it was so detailed. But the next article started saying things differently. Why put out something if you don’t have the facts? ????????????????

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Probably also because they would have to pay for any treatment in Myanmar and the Hospital there might notify immigration about having a patient who entered Myanmar illegally. Sneaking back to Thailand and receiving free treatment here is obviously more convenient.

Decent hospitals in Myanmar are non-existant.  And they are becoming overwhelmed with CV19 patients.