Trump keeps up false claims of widespread fraud at Georgia rally for U.S. senators

[darksidedog]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Also, if you haven't noticed this special session could result in the State legislature reclaiming their power to choose electors.  So courts at this point are not in play any longer.  If the GA legislature decides that there was sufficient fraud, which they've obviously recognized as this emergency session evidences, then they will appoint electors to vote for Trump.

 

What potentially happens here could very well set a precedent for other states to follow.  The first one is always the hardest.

 

Please, please tell me what part of my post is BS.  I'd love to hear your valid points.

So, assuming that the State legislature does have the power to appoint electors for Trump, pray tell us why they would do that? Many, many allegations of fraud, but zero credible evidence of it over a month after the election.

Republican run States deny it as well as Democratic ones. Are you seriously suggesting that State officials should deliberately negate what their voters chose, on the basis of unsubstantiated hot air? Shame on you if you believe Trump getting four more years, by backdoor underhand means, is more important than what the people voted for.

[Sujo]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Barr said “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d

Unfortunately the anti Trump organisations seem to miss the "to date" part. Never let the facts get in the way of the message.

Yet trump keeps lying saying there is.

[Tippaporn]

54 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

You really need to keep up.  The GOV of Georgia has already shut this down....twice.  It's not going to happen.  What Trump is trying to do is disregard the will of the voters.  Even GOP legislators aren't that slimy.

 

[The state’s lieutenant governor also publicly rebuffed Trump’s calls for a special session of the legislature to overturn President-elect Joe Biden’s victory in the state, saying, “We’re certainly not going to move the goal posts at this point in the election.”]

[In an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union,” Duncan said he “absolutely” believes that Kemp will not accede to Trump’s demand that he persuade the state legislature to appoint electors who would override the popular vote and nullify Biden’s victory in the state.]

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/georgia-governor-rebuffs-trump-s-call-for-special-session-to-overturn-election-results-top-official-says/ar-BB1bG9i7?ocid=wispr

 

 

The required signatures is 29 for the Senate and 91 for the House before 9 AM, Tuesday, December 8, 2020.  While I haven't been able to verify Kemp's ability to prevent this special session my feeling is that I doubt he could.  Article II of the Constitution grants authority to the state legislature to choose electors and that is why I doubt Kemp could prevent them from convening as it would prevent them fulfilling their chosen Constitutional obligations.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Yet trump keeps lying saying there is.

He has the right, IMO, to say whatever he likes ( freedom of speech ) and to pursue legal redress as far as he can. Surely you don't deny that?

 

If it was illegal for politicians to lie, not many would be outside jail, IMO.

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The required signatures is 29 for the Senate and 91 for the House before 9 AM, Tuesday, December 8, 2020.  While I haven't been able to verify Kemp's ability to prevent this special session my feeling is that I doubt he could.  Article II of the Constitution grants authority to the state legislature to choose electors and that is why I doubt Kemp could prevent them from convening as it would prevent them fulfilling their chosen Constitutional obligations.

Not going to happen. There is no evidence of fraud.

 

But do keep believing if it makes you feel better.

[Sujo]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

He has the right, IMO, to say whatever he likes ( freedom of speech ) and to pursue legal redress as far as he can. Surely you don't deny that?

 

If it was illegal for politicians to lie, not many would be outside jail, IMO.

Over 40 losses, he sure isnt sick of losing. 

[Berkshire]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The required signatures is 29 for the Senate and 91 for the House before 9 AM, Tuesday, December 8, 2020.  While I haven't been able to verify Kemp's ability to prevent this special session my feeling is that I doubt he could.  Article II of the Constitution grants authority to the state legislature to choose electors and that is why I doubt Kemp could prevent them from convening as it would prevent them fulfilling their chosen Constitutional obligations.

You're really grasping at straws.  If the Governor is not required in the process, why is Trump yelling and screaming for Kemp to convene a special session? 

 

[Trump also confirmed his request for electoral vote legislation by tweeting at Kemp: "At least immediately ask for a Special Session of the Legislature. That you can easily, and immediately, do."]

 

Regardless, it doesn't matter...

 

[The Georgia legislature lacks the constitutional authority to submit its own slate of electors in any case; Biden is entitled to the state's 16 electoral votes because of his popular vote victory. Those votes also would not change the election overall, as Biden won 306 electoral voters nationwide.]

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/05/trump-georgia-brian-kemp-rejects-changing-election/3839689001/

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

So, assuming that the State legislature does have the power to appoint electors for Trump, pray tell us why they would do that? Many, many allegations of fraud, but zero credible evidence of it over a month after the election.

Republican run States deny it as well as Democratic ones. Are you seriously suggesting that State officials should deliberately negate what their voters chose, on the basis of unsubstantiated hot air? Shame on you if you believe Trump getting four more years, by backdoor underhand means, is more important than what the people voted for.

The GA Senators have concluded that fraud was indeed, in their words, not mine, systemic after listening to testimonies and other evidence.  And as this is now their conviction then hence the call for a special session.

 

If fraud was indeed systemic, as they believe the evidence was sufficient in proof, then the argument of "overturning the will if the people" cannot apply since allowing said fraud would be overturning the will of the people who voted for Trump and won.

 

If have no dog in this race.  My interest is only in what's right and truthful.  I'm apolitical.  I do support Trump though.  I feel no shame and am not apologetic for seeing Trump in a much different light than many of the posters here see him.

[Tippaporn]

10 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Not going to happen. There is no evidence of fraud.

 

But do keep believing if it makes you feel better.

Argue with the GA lawmakers, not me.  They're the ones who state that they agree that fraud was systemic.

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1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Barr stated three times the qualifier, "yet" in his statements to AP.  The DOJ and FBI investigations have not concluded and are ongoing.  If my memory serves me correctly there's a certain data analyst who had been contacted by the FBI after Barr made his statement to AP.

Barr said "yet" because as a competent lawyer, he's careful and precise in his speech. If you want consider examples of the other kind of lawyer, look no further than Rudolph Giuliani or Sidney Powell.

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The GA Senators have concluded that fraud was indeed, in their words, not mine, systemic after listening to testimonies and other evidence.  And as this is now their conviction then hence the call for a special session.

 

If fraud was indeed systemic, as they believe the evidence was sufficient in proof, then the argument of "overturning the will if the people" cannot apply since allowing said fraud would be overturning the will of the people who voted for Trump and won.

 

If have no dog in this race.  My interest is only in what's right and truthful.  I'm apolitical.  I do support Trump though.  I feel no shame and am not apologetic for seeing Trump in a much different light than many of the posters here see him.

You have no dog in this race? Too funny.

 

There is no evidence of fraud. Courts have already determined that, even barr determined that.

 

just because someone says there is evidence doesnt make it so. Zero evidence provided under oath. Zilch.

[Eric Loh]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

The January runoffs pit two Republican senators, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler,

Kelly Loeffler is miniature Trump. Lies, division and conspiracies spewed out of her mouth without any inhibition or regards to facts. Rich and felt entitled to her appointment as senators and benefitting her wealth from her position. She came off as pretentious and fake in the senate debate. I think she will lose. 

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

You're really grasping at straws.  If the Governor is not required in the process, why is Trump yelling and screaming for Kemp to convene a special session? 

 

[Trump also confirmed his request for electoral vote legislation by tweeting at Kemp: "At least immediately ask for a Special Session of the Legislature. That you can easily, and immediately, do."]

 

Regardless, it doesn't matter...

 

[The Georgia legislature lacks the constitutional authority to submit its own slate of electors in any case; Biden is entitled to the state's 16 electoral votes because of his popular vote victory. Those votes also would not change the election overall, as Biden won 306 electoral voters nationwide.]

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/05/trump-georgia-brian-kemp-rejects-changing-election/3839689001/

Again, I haven't been able to verify whether Kemp has legal authority to prevent a special session of the state legislature to fulfill their Constitutional duty to choose their state electors.  It makes no sense to me that he could have this authority as it would allow him to prevent the Constitution from being followed.  I'll get that info for myself, thanks.  I don't need the (your) media to tell me what's what.

[Berkshire]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Argue with the GA lawmakers, not me.  They're the ones who state that they agree that fraud was systemic.

"GA lawmakers"....??  Come on.  The only opinion that matters are the lawmakers who actually ran the election.  That would be the GOV, Lt Gov, Secretary of State, and election officials.  And the people who actually ran the election (all Republicans) agree that there was no evidence of widespread fraud.  Why would you believe people who were not involved in the election? 

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13 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Argue with the GA lawmakers, not me.  They're the ones who state that they agree that fraud was systemic.

And we should believe them why? Has it occurred to you that there might be some other motive for their stance rather than actually believing in it? How about staying on the good side of a certain POTUS who could wreck their reelection chances if they said otherwise?

[onthedarkside]

Numerous posts in an ongoing off-topic exchange about racial identifying terms have been removed. Along with personal and flame comments directed at other members.

 

[ballpoint]

"We're going to whine so much, you may even get tired of whining!"

[Stargeezr]

Instead of his continuing lying. Trump should really go give his lawyer Rudy a big

hug to make him feel better.  This loser will be missed by Saturday Night Live, but not

by too many other people.

Geezer

[dexterm]

35 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Over 40 losses, he sure isn't sick of losing. 

Trump...the gift that keeps on giving. We have the pleasure of seeing him losing the election again and again every day.

 

Like all cult leaders and followers, Trump and Trumpists have a hard time facing reality.

Edited December 7, 2020 by dexterm

[b17]

Dear supporters of the truth, and nothing but....

 

The election was a landslide for Joe Biden, as he won by over 5 million votes. In spite of the omnipresent, out of date and repressive reality of the US electoral college, all attempts at overturning results in several US States have failed mightily. 

Given the fact that Trump is playing his supporters for fools by sending them at least six emails a day demanding financial support, and also given the fact the Attorney General, Mr. Barr, has publicly said that he saw no issues with any sort of voter fraud, one wonders how anyone on this forum can honestly suggest that they are anything but complete tools for following Trumps lies about voter fraud. Wake up sheeple, for you are getting played by that master conman that you see as a fearless leader. Yeah, that guy in the golf cart who owes hundreds of millions of dollars, that "successful' businessman who has gone bankrupt half a dozen times. 

[kwonitoy]

38 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The required signatures is 29 for the Senate and 91 for the House before 9 AM, Tuesday, December 8, 2020.  While I haven't been able to verify Kemp's ability to prevent this special session my feeling is that I doubt he could.  Article II of the Constitution grants authority to the state legislature to choose electors and that is why I doubt Kemp could prevent them from convening as it would prevent them fulfilling their chosen Constitutional obligations.

 

With California certifying their results last week Biden now has 277 EC votes secured.

Georgia and Pennsylvania vote counts don't matter, 

Trump can do his pity rallies and covid super-spreader events and it will change nothing.

Both Republican and Democrat appointed judges are doing their proper job. No evidence, No case

[PatOngo]

21 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I don't need the (your) media to tell me what's what.

Most media will tell you Trump lost!

[GroveHillWanderer]

42 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The required signatures is 29 for the Senate and 91 for the House before 9 AM, Tuesday, December 8, 2020.  While I haven't been able to verify Kemp's ability to prevent this special session my feeling is that I doubt he could.  Article II of the Constitution grants authority to the state legislature to choose electors and that is why I doubt Kemp could prevent them from convening as it would prevent them fulfilling their chosen Constitutional obligations.

As pointed out earlier in the thread, even if the Georgia legislature did decide to convene and even if having done so, they were to throw out all the votes cast by their constituents and give the state's electoral college votes to Trump, it wouldn't change the results of the election. Trump would still remain as the loser that he is.

 

I'm afraid that eventually even he - and you, will just have to accept reality.

Edited December 7, 2020 by GroveHillWanderer

[Saltire]

2 minutes ago, dexterm said:

Trump...the gift that keeps on giving. We have the pleasure of seeing him losing the election again and again every day.

 

Like all cult leaders and followers, Trump and Trumpists have a hard time facing reality.

Agree

 

The loser who keeps on losing.

[Walker88]

When a now-former member of your 'elite strikeforce team' files a court brief where she is so incompetent she goofs and says Dominion machines switched votes from Biden for 45, you are doing even less well than the now 1-49 record in various courts suggests. Couple that with your now-Covid inflicted team lead who audibly passes wind during a hearing as he parades a whackadoodle 'expert witness' he eventually has to rein in because she gets too weird even for him, and you epitomize LOSER.

 

45 is petrified his days as a free man are numbered, as the NY AG is biding her time waiting until 12:01pm on 20 January 2021 to go after 45 for everything from bank fraud to insurance fraud to State election commission violations and, possibly, charges stemming from her acquiring of jeffrey epstein's records as well as testimony from ghislaine maxwell.

 

There are also Federal criminal charges likely, and the idea of a self-pardon might sound nice, but not hold up in court, as it effectively makes a POTUS above the law (he could literally kill someone then pardon himself...not in the US will that ever be allowed). It is possible 45 will see the writing on the wall (Federal, at least), step down and hope pence hands him a pardon. How funny if pence refused and said, let the law do its job (if pence is considering a run in 2024, what better way to get rid of 45 that let the law have at him.)

 

45's bogus claims of fraud, ignoring a new 7 million popular vote and 74 Electoral College upcoming vote deficit, ring hollow everywhere except in that bubble alternate universe where his base and enablers reside. ZERO proof, and at least his 'team' is aware enough of liability to never claim such silly made-up drivel in a court of law. Instead, they put on dog-and-pony fake "hearings" where nobody is under oath so they have no criminal liability for tossing out their lies.

 

45 fellow repubs had better be aware that they are setting a dangerous precedent that a Dem POTUS may follow in the future, especially since Dems could retake control of the Senate by winning both slots in the GA senatorial runoff.

Edited December 7, 2020 by Walker88

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, Walker88 said:

45 is petrified his days as a free man are numbered, as the NY AG is biding her time waiting until 12:01pm on 20 January 2021 to go after 45 for everything from bank fraud to insurance fraud to State election commission violations and, possibly, charges stemming from her acquiring of jeffrey epstein's records as well as testimony fro ghislaine maxwell.

I thought unsubstantiated claims were not allowed here. 

How on Earth do you know what Trump is petrified of? 

If Bush, Clinton etc can avoid jail, surely Trump can too, with much less serious claims against him. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

If fraud was indeed systemic, as they believe the evidence was sufficient in proof, then the argument of "overturning the will if the people" cannot apply since allowing said fraud would be overturning the will of the people who voted for Trump and won.

Ah, so now there’s not only an allegation of systemic or widespread fraud, but also an allegation that Donnie would have won. So now you would have to provide evidence for another allegation, while you haven’t even been able to provide any credible evidence for your first allegation. ???? 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2020 by welovesundaysatspace

[Walker88]

8 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I thought unsubstantiated claims were not allowed here. 

How on Earth do you know what Trump is petrified of? 

If Bush, Clinton etc can avoid jail, surely Trump can too, with much less serious claims against him. 

I guess I'm relying on articles from WaPo, quoting up to two dozen WH sources, saying 45 fears being jailed for what NY is investigating.

 

What crimes did Bush or Clinton commit that come close to what 45 has already been convicted of: (charity fraud, 45 U, and as 'unindicted co-conspirator' in what landed his former personal attorney in jail)?

 

Michael Cohen provided the NY AG with boxes of documents and tapes that apparently detail both bank and insurance fraud, which are State crimes for which no POTUS pardon has any effect.

 

45 must be held accountable for his actions, and if convicted, he must be jailed. No one is above the law in the US. If a major economic power and democracy like South Korea can jail former leaders, the US can.

[Jonnapat]

Desperate BS. Why would anyone in their right mind want this farce to carry on. A loser is a loser, full stop.

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Uhm, please point out the BS in my post.  Specifically.

 

Also, if you haven't noticed this special session could result in the State legislature reclaiming their power to choose electors.  So courts at this point are not in play any longer.  If the GA legislature decides that there was sufficient fraud, which they've obviously recognized as this emergency session evidences, then they will appoint electors to vote for Trump.

 

What potentially happens here could very well set a precedent for other states to follow.  The first one is always the hardest.

 

Please, please tell me what part of my post is BS.  I'd love to hear your valid points.

 

[Caldera]

The pathetic loser is now putting Georgia's Senate seats in jeopardy, as he's giving the incumbent Republican senators a tough choice.

 

While I'm quite pleased with this, that he continues to claim that the U.S. is basically a Banana Republic where voter fraud is rampant really annoys the heck out of me. I consider it a form of treason.