UK tells EU: back down by Sunday night or we'll walk

[SidJames]

A comment on Guido states 5 year transitional period for fishing with the eu paying 25% of the value of fish caught back to the UK in the meantime.

I suppose it gives time for the fleets to gear up although the waters could be cleared out by then if the factory boats get tricky.

[dunroaming]

So here we are, as predicted, over and over, a last minute deal is being signed.  Now we get all the back tracking from "No Deal" pundits.  All the spin on how this is a "great deal" for the UK and no doubt the ERD will find a way to claim it as success for them.

 

But it doesn't really matter.  We now have to live with it.  Nobody expected a good deal to be achieved with Johnson as PM so none of this is a surprise.  In fact it is all pretty much as predicted.

[Chomper Higgot]

27 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

So here we are, as predicted, over and over, a last minute deal is being signed.  Now we get all the back tracking from "No Deal" pundits.  All the spin on how this is a "great deal" for the UK and no doubt the ERD will find a way to claim it as success for them.

 

But it doesn't really matter.  We now have to live with it.  Nobody expected a good deal to be achieved with Johnson as PM so none of this is a surprise.  In fact it is all pretty much as predicted.

Whatever the immediate claims are needs to be checked against the actual text of the deal.

 

Not that I’m suggesting Johnson would misrepresent the deal in his stages announcement.

 

[Hi from France]

We are helping the UK to solve the jam in dover. Hope most of these people (those who are not Covid-19 positive) can be at home for Christmas 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmbColonna/status/1342000683810226182?s=09

[Hi from France]

Analysis of the deal by the UK Government, a good read 

 

https://fr.scribd.com/document/489048219/Government-Analysis-of-the-Deal-Document

[Mavideol]

IT appears deal was made during the night, they should announce it any time now.... after all some may have come to some good sense....ooooppps, it looks like I am (again) late on the news

Edited December 24, 2020 by Mavideol

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

We are helping the UK to solve the jam in dover. Hope most of these people (those who are not Covid-19 positive) can be at home for Christmas 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmbColonna/status/1342000683810226182?s=09

That’s the Government’s spin.

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, evadgib said:

Full Umbilical Severance does it for me. Anything less leaves us open to being drawn back in by the very people that tried their best to thwart our historic & democratic decision to leave.

I  guess (from what the reports are saying) you will be disappointed  555

[dunroaming]

3 hours ago, evadgib said:

Full Umbilical Severance does it for me. Anything less leaves us open to being drawn back in by the very people that tried their best to thwart our historic & democratic decision to leave.

There are no winners.  There were never going to be.  But you can be sure some will claim it is another "great victory"!

[dunroaming]

A leaked government paper reveals that Johnson will claim this is a "victory" for the UK. ????

[vinny41]

they are still working on the deal

I suspect the announcement wouldn't happen until the money markets close for business in both UK and EU

[Hi from France]

 

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But the December 9 dinner was also the beginning of an understanding between Mr Johnson and the president of the European Commission. 

 

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The two, both children of EU officials and alumni of the same European school in Brussels, had a tete-a-tete alone for 45 minutes. 

 

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That connection would come into the foreground late in the Brexit endgame with the two in constant phone contact, exchanging offers and counter-offers over fishing quotas.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/24/brexit-deal-stalled-last-minute-cant-just-shut-long-isnt-deal/

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

So here we are, as predicted, over and over, a last minute deal is being signed.  Now we get all the back tracking from "No Deal" pundits.  All the spin on how this is a "great deal" for the UK and no doubt the ERD will find a way to claim it as success for them.

 

But it doesn't really matter.  We now have to live with it.  Nobody expected a good deal to be achieved with Johnson as PM so none of this is a surprise.  In fact it is all pretty much as predicted.

Looking at various twitter feeds the "No Deal pundits" are a mixture of hard core leavers and hard core remainers/rejoiners as neither side seems happy at the moment

[Hi from France]

1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

Analysis of the deal by the UK Government, a good read 

 

https://fr.scribd.com/document/489048219/Government-Analysis-of-the-Deal-Document

As I though, the Brits traded 10% fish quotas to save the future of their electric car industry

 

What do read here? 

[vinny41]

8 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

As I though, the Brits traded 10% fish quotas to save the future of their electric car industry

 

What do read here? 

They are still discussing fish and the latest is they will be discussing fish for a few more hours

[Loiner]

33 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Looking at various twitter feeds the "No Deal pundits" are a mixture of hard core leavers and hard core remainers/rejoiners as neither side seems happy at the moment

My guess is that hard core Leavers will accept it and carry on to make the best of it. Remainers will of course carry on moaning. 

[GrandPapillon]

ok Boris surrendering will be announced in a few hours today ????

 

the deal is done, they have to read proof it and make it official to the press

 

then we have to wait for the UK parliament approval and the EU27 approval, so we could be in for another 6months battle next year, so all good ????

Edited December 24, 2020 by GrandPapillon

[JonnyF]

40 minutes ago, Loiner said:

My guess is that hard core Leavers will accept it and carry on to make the best of it. Remainers will of course carry on moaning. 

Yeah if you look back to May 2016 before the referendum, and assuming the early reports on the deal are right, I think most Leavers would have taken this result if you offered it to them at that point.

 

Not perfect, but maybe 90% of what we wanted. You could argue 95% depending on your position.

 

The EU has made their point to try and stop others leaving and their Union collapsing. I think their position re. the UK will quietly soften over the next 5 years. It won't be reported by the BBC and Sky but it will happen behind the scenes. 

 

The EU problems will remain. Glad to be out. Soooooo glad.

 

 

 

 

[vinny41]

27 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

ok Boris surrendering will be announced in a few hours today ????

 

the deal is done, they have to read proof it and make it official to the press

 

then we have to wait for the UK parliament approval and the EU27 approval, so we could be in for another 6months battle next year, so all good ????

Do you believe your Fisherman will  be happy to sit at home for 6 months

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

My guess is that hard core Leavers will accept it and carry on to make the best of it. Remainers will of course carry on moaning. 

You are one of the ‘give me a hard d Brexit’ merchants, so now you are leveling to accept a deal you’ve not seen.

[IvorBiggun2]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

so now you are leveling to accept a deal you’ve not seen.

If Boris says it's Xmas then I believe him. It seems the Remainers wouldn't. Get a life.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

If Boris says it's Xmas then I believe him. It seems the Remainers wouldn't. Get a life.

If Boris says it’s Christmas on Christmas Eve, well Ok, he’s awake enough to have noticed.

[Tofer]

19 hours ago, Hi from France said:

I suspect the real issue is what they can do with this freedom, wich came at a hefty price (unemployment, and - 2% or - 4% GDP in addition to the - 2% lost in anticipation of Brexit, so we are talking +-200/300 billions a year in lost GDP?).

 

More scaremongering, with totally fictitious predictions....

 

Of course Armageddon is coming, that's why the pound has jumped to $1.36 today - my, my, what a disaster....

[Farma]

Sky news is reporting "UK and EU agree post-brexit trade deal"

[billd766]

4 hours ago, dunroaming said:

So here we are, as predicted, over and over, a last minute deal is being signed.  Now we get all the back tracking from "No Deal" pundits.  All the spin on how this is a "great deal" for the UK and no doubt the ERD will find a way to claim it as success for them.

 

But it doesn't really matter.  We now have to live with it.  Nobody expected a good deal to be achieved with Johnson as PM so none of this is a surprise.  In fact it is all pretty much as predicted.

The chances of a good deal were frittered away by Theresa May when she was supposedly getting the UK a "good" deal.

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

ok Boris surrendering will be announced in a few hours today ????

 

the deal is done, they have to read proof it and make it official to the press

 

then we have to wait for the UK parliament approval and the EU27 approval, so we could be in for another 6months battle next year, so all good ????

As I recall, your countrymen are the experts at surrendering ????

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

 

 

Brexit deal done: Trade agreement finally struck between UK and EU

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-deal-done-trade-agreement-finally-struck-between-uk-and-eu-12149904

[CG1 Blue]

Here is the UK government's statement:

 

"Everything that the British public was promised during the 2016 referendum and in the general election last year is delivered by this deal."

"We have taken back control of our money, borders, laws, trade and our fishing waters

"The deal is fantastic news for families and businesses in every part of the UK.

"We have signed the first free trade agreement based on zero tariffs and zero quotas that has ever been achieved with the EU.

"The deal is the biggest bilateral trade deal signed by either side, covering trade worth £668bn in 2019.

"The deal also guarantees that we are no longer in the lunar pull of the EU, we are not bound by EU rules, there is no role for the European Court of Justice and all of our key red lines about returning sovereignty have been achieved.

"It means that we will have full political and economic independence on 1st January 2021."

"A points-based immigration system will put us in full control of who enters the UK and free movement will end.

"We have delivered this great deal for the entire United Kingdom in record time, and under extremely challenging conditions, which protects the integrity of our internal market and Northern Ireland’s place within it.

"We have got Brexit done and we can now take full advantage of the fantastic opportunities available to us as an independent trading nation, striking trade deals with other partners around the world."

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

As I recall, your countrymen are the experts at surrendering ????

 

 

Yet more of the ignorant garbage  we have come to expect from Brexiteers.

 

[Tofer]

19 hours ago, Hi from France said:

I guess the main issue is the future deal with the USA. Can a Brexiteer tell us what is expected at best?

 

... Aside from fuzzy sunlit uplands, can you give us actual measurable data of what is expected from a deal with the USA and how it will make up for what we can put a figure on = the price of freedom from "EU shackles" ? 

 

Nah, you're getting us mixed up with the soothsayer remainers. Brexiteers don't make wild unsubstantiated predictions, that's the remainers domain.

 

You still don't get it, do you. Brexit is not about the potential economic gains, it's all about shedding the shackles of the EU, regaining our sovereignty and independence to control our own destiny. We're tired of your club and it's aspirations for world domination, and a United States of Europe.