Thailand Sold Itself as a Paradise Covid Retreat. No One Came

[mike1967]

35 minutes ago, sambum said:

 

Sorry, I think I do get it and I agree with what you say re there being a point where enough is enough.

 

What I am saying is that it would take more to tip me over the edge than a 300 baht "surcharge". Being "invited" to stay in an overpriced ASQ hotel would be more likely to do it - or having to pay a Thai company  for unnecessary additional Covid insurance would also do it.

 

The trouble with the Thai mindset is that they don't seem to consider the effect that some of their half baked ideas have - they think of the immediate profit available from current visitors without  considering the profit that they could have  tomorrow from more visitors if their plans/ideas were more "visitor friendly".  

It's just insane to me. I can understand quarantine, although the price could be better, but to charge foreigners to put towards attracting tourists is beyond madness. Charge the very tourists you're trying to attract. To me that's just alienating them. What do I know though hey? 555. £1000 worth of quarantine gets me a long way towards another holiday. 

[GrandPapillon]

1 hour ago, Don Chance said:

Thai Immigration and Tourism is in denial, they are deluded too.

 

They have 100,000's of people out of work, 100,000 empty hotels and guesthouses and still they want to over charge farangs for visa and accommodations!

 

Economics is about supply and demand. They have a huge supply and very little demand, that means price have to go down. That is the reality in Thailand until ever Thai is vaccinated. Until then they need to start with cheap backpacker who want to stay 3 months or more.

 

They are deluded into still thinking the rich charter package tourists are coming for 3 weeks and spending 2 weeks in quarantine. Not gonna happen not even for 6 weeks. 12,000 baht for STV and 50,000 baht for ASQ is massively inflated. The economy and prices have DEFLATED as have the economies around the world.

 

Thais, like most Asians, don't follow modern economic principles ????

 

When things go bad, you increase your prices to make up for the loss demand ????

 

and you keep increasing them until nobody comes to see you ????

 

then you can safely shutdown without anyone knowing so you can save face with your prices , blaming everyone but yourself for the failure ????

Edited January 16, 2021 by GrandPapillon

[beano2274]

8 hours ago, tomauasia said:

Dream on. No foriegn tourist will be permitted to roam free risking there citizens. You are all delusional 

 

 

Sorry but Thai people can fly to Germany and not have to do quarantine!!!!!!

 

Also if you go to a foreign country you book the hotel you want to, not one that the government tells you that you have to book!!!

[kiwikeith]

18 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Get it through your heads, NOBODY wants to sit in a quarantine hotel for two weeks!

And, be extorted by the hotels. 

And pay excessive air fares. 

And pay excessive insurance rates. 

And pay for quarantine when they return home. 

And finally go through all the paperwork and other b.. Just to board a flight, if you can get one. 

[beano2274]

 

I was just in England and did not have to go into a hotel to quarantine, I used my mums house.

 

And here the info from the Germany Foreign Ministry. Self isolation any place you like not a given hotel that the Government wishes, also you can travel to your hotel where ever it is

 

 

Quarantine regulations

 

According to the new specimen regulation, the following applies as a rule:

Upon entry to Germany following a stay in a risk area, high incidence area or virus variant area within the last ten days, you must

• register at www.einreiseanmeldung.de before entering the country and carry proof of having done so with you,
• be tested for infection with the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus before or immediately after entering the country,
• proceed directly to your destination following entry and
• self-isolate there for ten days (quarantine).

Exception: negative test result after 5 days

The ten-day quarantine can, according to the applicable regulations of the Länder, be terminated at the earliest after the fifth day following entry with a negative test result for infection with coronavirus SARS-CoV-2.

 

AND - as previously stated I should have self isolated in my House in Germany upon return, nobody from the German Authorities checked on me, either by visiting or calling me, and I was out shopping as my wife had just had an operation, and my daughter needed to go to Kindergarten....

 

 

[kiwikeith]

That's why Germany will be plagued by the virus, as people test positive on day 12 of quarantine, that's why the virus is running rampant over Europe. 

Ten day quarantine has been turned down by Thailand, New Zealand and Australia as it is not safe. 

 

And you certainly would not be allowed to travel to a Hotel that is not govt approved, self isolation is used only on contacts of suspected cases in the community. 

Sweden thought they were smart and did not lock down, Europe and the USA are now a Covid mess. 

Not to mention other countries where people have run riot. 

 

I guess India and others almost impossible to control. 

 

The world has gone mad, sit back and watch Pfizer, Bill Gates, Dr Fauci get extremely more wealthy, along with the other companies involved in the vaccine roll out. 

Thailand has not done to bad but don't expect to be travelling around the world for at least 12 months now while the medical maniacs now ruling governments stick vaccines in your arm, and install compulsory tracking applications upon you. 

[bangon04]

15 hours ago, charmonman said:

I wouldn’t say nobody. I am doing it right now and there are plenty of others in my ASQ. More correct to say nobody coming on a short holiday, but there is more than a trickle of long term stayers.

"Just 346 overseas visitors have entered the country on average each month on special visas since October,"  that is more like a smear than a trickle......

[Don Chance]

6 hours ago, AmySeeker said:

 

What's the alternative then !?! There is nothing - till Thailand vaccinates it's vulnerable population.

Thailand can vaccine everyone on Samui and Phuket and at the airports. So tourists can fly in and transfer to the island.  Then they can have their travel bubbles. Tourist just can't leave those islands.

[zzaa09]

2 hours ago, sirineou said:

How is that working for England? 

Obviously, not that well - akin to all the other countries that have similar policies and yet continue to have high infection/death rates. 

Doesn't seem to be working terribly well, does....

 

Whereas, those countries that choose to have particular restrictions and protocol are fairing much better. 

[PatOngo]

6 hours ago, AmySeeker said:

 

What's the alternative then !?! There is nothing - till Thailand vaccinates it's vulnerable population.

There is no alternative

[TSF]

1 hour ago, PatOngo said:

There is no alternative

There is no alternative. Until the vaccines kick in with good results, or covid subsides for other reasons, there will be no recovery of any tourism industries anywhere. The people traveling around the world now in planes are not doing so for fun, they are being repatriated, rejoining families, traveling for work or official reasons. Nobody in their right mind would consider flying to Phuket (or anywhere) for a 2-3 week vacation, even if the two-week quarantine wasn't a requirement, airplanes and airports are risky places to catch covid, at anytime a huge outbreak can happen and the country gets lockdown and the tourists are trapped and can't get home.

[masuk]

On 1/16/2021 at 10:25 AM, PatOngo said:

 

I think they have a Ministry For Stupid Ideas!

I have visions of candidates for the Ministry of Silly Walks right next door.  It seems this is where these specialist Ministries are located. 

[superal]

10 hours ago, tandor said:

..Warorot, Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, Mae Sai, Sankamphaeng, Mae On, Phrae, Nan, Pua, Chompoo and i would safely say almost every day market of every large town in every province..Ive seen them ..eels, frogs, crabs, both salt and freshwater, insects, fishes, shrimp both sea and fresh, pork, chicken, all unfrigerated or cooled, just sitting there in buckets or basins of water or no water thrashing about, or trussed up in their death throws in a stinking market with flies being squatted on the meat they're crawling on, then flicked off. These are the markets your everyday low income earner has to go to. Are you a RimPing man!

Not your fault if you haven't gotten out and about to experience it.

Out in the countryside you see the grey and the white herons and cranes that fly in from Vietnam (the declared origins of the Mers and Sars viruses)..these graceful flying things bring and spread all sorts of disease.

Then of course there are rats, turtles, snakes, dogs, rogue elephants, protected barking deer, leopard etc that are eaten as well in these areas. Most are hallowed creatures, but when it suits them the people still eat them.

Up country, that's outside the snugly urban area are caves and jungle where the wild bat lives. These are essential in most parts of the world for the pollination of flowers on crops and trees and plants so as the world has on ongoing supply of fresh fruit and vegetables and cereal crops.

However one bat, the commonly known 'horse-shoe bat' appears to be the culprit in spreading Sars-CoVi-2 virus.

YouTube has a lot of interesting videos on these markets with one BBC crew filming them not that long ago.

Wikepedia has a lot of good references.

Another good reference is the WHO, called the World Health Organization, they have a lot of data and even statistics on the number of cases of each member country, including deaths, yes 'jomtienisgood' humans have died, didn't you know how filthy humanity is and just how the other (more than half) live?

We are lucky in our Westernization we eat freshly prepared foods that have been certified and strictly controlled.

Don't you think it time China, Thailand and all the other countries urgently stopped these dangerous practices?

You had best make sure you wear a mask, eye protection, disposable gloves, safe distance yourself from the rest of humanity, as it appears your know nothing.

Keep safe.

 

I would also not be surprised to find out that the virus is carried by the wind .  Finally wearing a normal mask gives no protection to the wearer unless it is at least an entry level of protection i.e.  N95 mask .

[longway]

It would be funny if covid has been long since endemic all over se asia, and all these measures of lockdowns, quarantines, travel bans, and vaccines were a complete waste of time.

 

They should have been sampling the population for antibodies and or other markers to indicate the extent to which the virus has spread throughout the population. For whatever reason, it could be that people in se asia are either immune or suffer only mild symptoms, and the thai government threw away a huge advantage by not invedtigating this possibility.

 

Its entirely feasible, given that the large numbers people travelling between china and thailand, including wuhan, were unimpeded to late march. Then 100 000s packed themselves into buses and went home when the authorities first put bangkok into lockdown.

 

Its hard to imagine that it isn't the case tbh.

[richard_smith237]

Just now, longway said:

It would be funny if covid has been long since endemic all over se asia, and all these measures of lockdowns, quarantines, travel bans, and vaccines were a complete waste of time.

 

They should have been sampling the population for antibodies and or other markers to indicate the extent to which the virus has spread throughout the population. For whatever reason, it could be that people in se asia are either immune or suffer only mild symptoms, and the thai government threw away a huge advantage by not invedtigating this possibility.

 

Its entirely feasible, given that the large numbers people travelling between china and thailand, including wuhan, were unimpeded to late march. Then 100 000s packed themselves into buses and went home when the authorities first put bangkok into lockdown.

 

Its hard to imagine that it isn't the case tbh.

 

Exactly this.... [For whatever reason, it could be that people in se asia are either immune or suffer only mild symptoms]

 

There is already information out there which highlights that East Asians are less significantly impacted by Covid-19.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2818-3_reference.pdf

 

 

[jomtienisgood]

15 hours ago, lkv said:

All the so called hiso's in Europe, and many others not so hiso, have fled to Dubai for Christmas/NY, then some onwards to Maldives, so I guess they were not too excited about the Thai Government's generous invitation to quarantine.

Dubai sounds like a great place for Christmas. Luckily I have never been there around that period, only many times during Ramadan.....

[sandyf]

17 hours ago, superal said:

I stand corrected , test not inoculation  .  Do you know if tests are easy to come by and what is the cost ?

I have seen a clinic on Pattaya Klang with a notice in the window saying test available but no price posted. Seen prices mentioned varying from about 3K to 10K baht.

Personally I would just ask at the nearest government hospital first.

[Rimmer]

Some inflammatory posts have been removed also replies

[jomtienisgood]

11 hours ago, tandor said:

..Warorot, Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, Mae Sai, Sankamphaeng, Mae On, Phrae, Nan, Pua, Chompoo and i would safely say almost every day market of every large town in every province..Ive seen them ..eels, frogs, crabs, both salt and freshwater, insects, fishes, shrimp both sea and fresh, pork, chicken, all unfrigerated or cooled, just sitting there in buckets or basins of water or no water thrashing about, or trussed up in their death throws in a stinking market with flies being squatted on the meat they're crawling on, then flicked off. These are the markets your everyday low income earner has to go to. Are you a RimPing man!

Not your fault if you haven't gotten out and about to experience it.

Out in the countryside you see the grey and the white herons and cranes that fly in from Vietnam (the declared origins of the Mers and Sars viruses)..these graceful flying things bring and spread all sorts of disease.

Then of course there are rats, turtles, snakes, dogs, rogue elephants, protected barking deer, leopard etc that are eaten as well in these areas. Most are hallowed creatures, but when it suits them the people still eat them.

Up country, that's outside the snugly urban area are caves and jungle where the wild bat lives. These are essential in most parts of the world for the pollination of flowers on crops and trees and plants so as the world has on ongoing supply of fresh fruit and vegetables and cereal crops.

However one bat, the commonly known 'horse-shoe bat' appears to be the culprit in spreading Sars-CoVi-2 virus.

YouTube has a lot of interesting videos on these markets with one BBC crew filming them not that long ago.

Wikepedia has a lot of good references.

Another good reference is the WHO, called the World Health Organization, they have a lot of data and even statistics on the number of cases of each member country, including deaths, yes 'jomtienisgood' humans have died, didn't you know how filthy humanity is and just how the other (more than half) live?

We are lucky in our Westernization we eat freshly prepared foods that have been certified and strictly controlled.

Don't you think it time China, Thailand and all the other countries urgently stopped these dangerous practices?

You had best make sure you wear a mask, eye protection, disposable gloves, safe distance yourself from the rest of humanity, as it appears your know nothing.

Keep safe.

 

Loads of jokes, c..p and ignorance you are spreading..... Good in ' Western Syphilisations' (wrongly spelled on purpose) you only get : mad cow disease, etc,etc.... 

[sandyf]

16 hours ago, VBF said:

Yes, it doubles as that, but when the second jab is done, you have your NHS-issued proof.

The question is, whether / when the Embassy will accept that in order to issue a visa without the other requirements

It is not seen as proof.

 

Public Health England (PHE) has confirmed to Full Fact that this is simply a printed card with space for someone’s name and vaccination details (shown above) to be written by hand. (This has already been confirmed publicly by the Welsh government for similar cards in Wales.) Many people who have been vaccinated will therefore have a card like this, but there is nothing to stop someone altering or adding to what is written on it. This makes it very unreliable evidence that someone has been vaccinated, and certainly not proof.

https://fullfact.org/health/covid19-vaccination-card/

[jomtienisgood]

12 hours ago, tandor said:

..Warorot, Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, Mae Sai, Sankamphaeng, Mae On, Phrae, Nan, Pua, Chompoo and i would safely say almost every day market of every large town in every province..Ive seen them ..eels, frogs, crabs, both salt and freshwater, insects, fishes, shrimp both sea and fresh, pork, chicken, all unfrigerated or cooled, just sitting there in buckets or basins of water or no water thrashing about, or trussed up in their death throws in a stinking market with flies being squatted on the meat they're crawling on, then flicked off. These are the markets your everyday low income earner has to go to. Are you a RimPing man!

Not your fault if you haven't gotten out and about to experience it.

Out in the countryside you see the grey and the white herons and cranes that fly in from Vietnam (the declared origins of the Mers and Sars viruses)..these graceful flying things bring and spread all sorts of disease.

Then of course there are rats, turtles, snakes, dogs, rogue elephants, protected barking deer, leopard etc that are eaten as well in these areas. Most are hallowed creatures, but when it suits them the people still eat them.

Up country, that's outside the snugly urban area are caves and jungle where the wild bat lives. These are essential in most parts of the world for the pollination of flowers on crops and trees and plants so as the world has on ongoing supply of fresh fruit and vegetables and cereal crops.

However one bat, the commonly known 'horse-shoe bat' appears to be the culprit in spreading Sars-CoVi-2 virus.

YouTube has a lot of interesting videos on these markets with one BBC crew filming them not that long ago.

Wikepedia has a lot of good references.

Another good reference is the WHO, called the World Health Organization, they have a lot of data and even statistics on the number of cases of each member country, including deaths, yes 'jomtienisgood' humans have died, didn't you know how filthy humanity is and just how the other (more than half) live?

We are lucky in our Westernization we eat freshly prepared foods that have been certified and strictly controlled.

Don't you think it time China, Thailand and all the other countries urgently stopped these dangerous practices?

You had best make sure you wear a mask, eye protection, disposable gloves, safe distance yourself from the rest of humanity, as it appears your know nothing.

Keep safe.

 

Despite some animals are living and eaten here, the population eating it, never died of it, nor get infected a lot. I think I spent more time than you will ever be capable of doing in what you call ' up country' areas.... Never got sick eating there.... I would also add that if the local food was that dangerous to eat,you mentioned rats, but didn't mention to eat, there wouldn't be any locals left since long....The regions you mention, like China, are used to wearing masks long before it was ever mentioned in Western world; I think it is YOU who should protect yourself more. Maybe you forgot, or are not aware, horses are also food in large parts of Europe.....Not Wikipedia source, experience.....

[Jeffr2]

20 minutes ago, sandyf said:

I have seen a clinic on Pattaya Klang with a notice in the window saying test available but no price posted. Seen prices mentioned varying from about 3K to 10K baht.

Personally I would just ask at the nearest government hospital first.

BP Hospital and a few others have the test at 3,800B.

[sandyf]

3 minutes ago, jomtienisgood said:

Despite some animals are living and eaten here, the population eating it, never died of it, nor get infected a lot. I think I spent more time than you will ever be capable of doing in what you call ' up country' areas.... Never got sick eating there.... I would also add that if the local food was that dangerous to eat,you mentioned rats, but didn't mention to eat, there wouldn't be any locals left since long....The regions you mention, like China, are used to wearing masks long before it was ever mentioned in Western world; I think it is YOU who should protect yourself more. Maybe you forgot, or are not aware, horses are also food in large parts of Europe.....Not Wikipedia source, experience.....

Exactly. Third world countries are not doing what they haven't done for centuries.

If their eating habits were so dangerous we wouldn't be here today.

[jomtienisgood]

6 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

BP Hospital and a few others have the test at 3,800B.

British Petroleum is diversifying ..... ????????

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, jomtienisgood said:

British Petroleum is diversifying ..... ????????

Sorry...Bangkok Pattaya Hospital.  Got lazy!!!

[jomtienisgood]

4 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Sorry...Bangkok Pattaya Hospital.  Got lazy!!!

Just joking.... Sunday Church services are suspended, so nothing else to do in between my Sang Som's. ????

[sandyf]

4 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Sorry...Bangkok Pattaya Hospital.  Got lazy!!!

That being the case, on the same ratio as the flu jab(about 40%), it would be about 1500 baht in a government hospital.

[Jeffr2]

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

That being the case, on the same ratio as the flu jab(about 40%), it would be about 1500 baht in a government hospital.

Is it available there?  I had a friend try to get one at the gov hospital, no luck.  She was referred to a private hospital.  Sadly, she's not rich, so didn't get the test.

[KarenBravo]

11 minutes ago, jomtienisgood said:

British Petroleum is diversifying ..... ????????

 

Actually, BP doesn't stand for British Petroleum for nearly 20 years now.

It stands for.....wait for it.......Beyond Petroleum.

[sandyf]

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Is it available there?  I had a friend try to get one at the gov hospital, no luck.  She was referred to a private hospital.  Sadly, she's not rich, so didn't get the test.

I don't know, never asked, asked about the vaccine last time and he just said not yet.

Obviously I do not know your friends circumstances, but you have to be registered at a government hospital and I doubt any would consider registration just on the basis of a test.

When I want the flu jab I have to see the doctor, he prescribes it, I pay for it, collect it from the hospital pharmacy and take it to a nurse to be administered.

I also have to see the doctor for other reasons, I have to get a letter if I have any procedure by a different practitioner that would involve blood loss.

Some hospital services may be more available to regular patients than those off the street so to speak. 

Will ask the next time I see him.