Analysis - Trump's legacy: A more divided America, a more unsettled world

[heybruce]

On 1/19/2021 at 6:38 PM, kingdong said:

Think he was in the position where he coudn,t do right for doing wrong,you only have to look at the views on corona on tvf to see the diverse views expressed.

He could have based his policy on science, and let his policy evolve as the science evolved. 

[heybruce]

On 1/19/2021 at 7:07 PM, ExpatOK said:

Absurd. Trump saves the world from the coronavirus through Operation Warp Speed, and this is the kind of nonsense people spew.

Wow!  Go easy on the kool-aid.

[heybruce]

On 1/19/2021 at 7:35 PM, kingdong said:

Did trump hold rallys during lockdown in the summer? I only remember the blm protests here ( uk) and usa,anyway no need to play the race card.

Yes, Trump held rallies during the summer.  Just ask Herman Cain.  Oh wait, you can't.

[heybruce]

21 hours ago, placeholder said:

There ain't no chance that any but a few GOP Senators will vote to convict. Given the support Trump still enjoys among the big majority of Trump supporters, that would be electoral suicide.

Only 2/3's of the Senators present need vote for impeachment.  The Senate could give the cowards an easy out by insisting that all Senators pass through metal detectors and surrender weapons before entering the chamber. 

 

The Senators who know Trump should be impeached but are afraid of his power to get them primary'd out of the next election could refuse to enter.  During the elections they could argue they put the 2nd Amendment above all else.  It would be BS, but would work with gullible voters.

[heybruce]

20 hours ago, talahtnut said:

Trump was the first president for decades that didn't start a war.

Total BS.  Obama didn't start the wars in Syria and Libya, Clinton didn't start the wars in the former Yugoslavia.

[heybruce]

20 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

THREE conservatives on SCOTUS is not a failure. Had he done nothing else at all that is a success. He also got rid of the horrible Pacific treaty, which is a very good thing, IMO. I'd like to have seen him go harder on China, but we can't have everything we wish for.

 

BTW, he's not going to disappear- CNN will see to that. Without him to attack constantly they don't have much to keep the ad revenue coming in IMO.

You think it was good that Trump killed the Trans Pacific Partnership, which was designed to contain China and have trade governed by Western rules, but think Trump should have gone harder on China. 

 

In case you can't see the contradiction in that, I'll explain it:  Trump tackled China alone (and not very well), a tactic doomed to failure.  To make sure the US dealt with China without allies, Trump alienated our key trade allies with tariffs before tackling China.  This is just one of the many examples of Trump's incompetence.

[Walker88]

31 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

Biden might be an old man, but this guy is dangerous , corrupt and without empathy The World just became a more dangerous place.

 

Biden might be an older man, but the man is not dangerous. He's honest and full of empathy, as he understands only too well the meaning of loss. His entire life has been one of public service and of caring for those less fortunate. He is a breath of fresh air in a world sullied by a self-serving, mendacious, willfully ignorant, racist, fascist psychopath. 45 only failed to become a Stalin, a Mao, a Hitler because he was so pathologically incompetent. We got lucky.

 

The world just became a safer, more peaceful, much more hopeful place.

Edited January 21, 2021 by Walker88

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1 hour ago, heybruce said:

The only "achievement" you mention, as opposed to opinions, is that Trump didn't start a war.  Neither did Obama, Clinton, Carter, Nixon, Johnson, and many others.  Getting involved in a war in progress is not starting a war, and Trump definitely got involved in the war in Yemen by supplying Saudi Arabia and providing diplomatic cover for the war crimes being committed.

He also loosened the rules of engagement in battling ISIS. He also reneged on an agreement to fund the rebuilding of Rakka after American bombers reduced it to rubble. American forces working with the Kurds didn't appreciate Trump making them liars.

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I do wish posters read everything relevant before attacking me, and Chiang Rai is not a village.

 

The mask comment was in response to a post about mask wearing culture BEFORE corona, not now.

Perhaps it is you that needs better glasses.

 

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I do wish posters read everything relevant before attacking me, and Chiang Rai is not a village.

 

The mask comment was in response to a post about mask wearing culture BEFORE corona, not now.

Perhaps it is you that needs better glasses.

My avatar quite clearly says Location: " Chiang Rai AND a village". What part of that don't you understand? Yes, Chiang Rai is not a village, and your point is?

If you read MY post again, I stated there was no argument from me that other variables limiting the spread of COVID existed.

You're implying I can't read, when your first post clearly says "I don't know where you are in Thailand". Res ipsa loquitur.

Who is attacking now, without a leg to stand on?

[jvs]

23 hours ago, talahtnut said:

Trump was the first president for decades that didn't start a war.

You do not have to start a war to kill people!

Apart from how he contributed to many deaths inside the US look at what he did to the people

in Yemen!

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I do wish posters read everything relevant before attacking me, and Chiang Rai is not a village.

 

The mask comment was in response to a post about mask wearing culture BEFORE corona, not now.

Perhaps it is you that needs better glasses.

Chiang Rai is a province with lots of villages.

[Lacessit]

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

Chiang Rai is a province with lots of villages.

It's a province AND a city, just like Chiang Mai is.

[Sujo]

6 hours ago, jvs said:

You do not have to start a war to kill people!

Apart from how he contributed to many deaths inside the US look at what he did to the people

in Yemen!

And how he threw the kurds under the bus.

[PattayaJames]

On 1/19/2021 at 11:50 PM, sirineou said:

If I posted how I really feel for this waste of human skin president of yours, never mind every other world will be automatically blipped out, it would probably earn me a suspension from TVF. 

 

Unlikely, pretty much anything goes here if you are degrading Trump.

 

[PattayaJames]

On 1/19/2021 at 11:37 PM, J Town said:

And ANYONE would have handled it better. Hell, a baked potato would have handled it better. Baked potatoes don't lie.

 

Welcome President Biden.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Unlikely, pretty much anything goes here if you are degrading Trump.

 

Or supporting him. Trump has degraded himself, does not need any assistance.

Edited January 21, 2021 by Lacessit

[kingdong]

12 hours ago, heybruce said:

He could have based his policy on science, and let his policy evolve as the science evolved. 

What and "science" at the time had a clear and united view on corona?remember everyone on the forum waxing lyrically about the " sweden experement " ,and look at what a roaring sucess that turned out to be.

[kingdong]

On 1/20/2021 at 4:24 AM, Throatwobbler said:

It is not hindsight that you follow the advice of scientists during a pandemic. I get it you love Trump and think that he did no wrong. Many countries who handled the pandemic better will say different. Also the families of 400, 000 and counting dead Americans will say different. But hey in you eyes Trump did an awesome job.

"You get it i love trump? " pointless carrying this debate furthur,i was as sick as a parrot when he got ini,li,ll have you know.

[heybruce]

6 minutes ago, kingdong said:

What and "science" at the time had a clear and united view on corona?remember everyone on the forum waxing lyrically about the " sweden experement " ,and look at what a roaring sucess that turned out to be.

No, I don't remember everyone on the forum waxing lyrically about the sweden experiment, because it never happened.  I remember some posters prematurely pronouncing it was a great success and others disputing that.

 

Scientists had a clear and united view that they needed to learn more about the virus.  The science evolved as more was learned about the virus and how it was transmitted, and recommendations on how to reduce the spread evolved with the science.  Unfortunately Trump made one of the easiest and most effective methods, wearing a mask, a political statement. 

[Phulublub]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

What and "science" at the time had a clear and united view on corona?remember everyone on the forum waxing lyrically about the " sweden experement " ,and look at what a roaring sucess that turned out to be.

Everyone?  Clearly I do not count in that total.

 

PH

[sirineou]

5 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Unlikely, pretty much anything goes here if you are degrading Trump.

 

Not true, I had several posts pf mine disappear without notice , where other posts of the same style but not including trump stood. , in fact I would not be surprised if this one disappears also. 

degratin trump is a natural reaction to those with half a brain, He brought it upon himself. 

  When I went crying to my Dad that some of the older boys had beatten me up , when I was young, my father said the following that has followed me through life. I suggest trump and his followers listen to it. He said: "Son , When you play Grab ass,  don't come crying to me  if someone grabs your ass" . 

For four long years you all wrote ............. then you cry when people call you on it. 

Edited January 21, 2021 by sirineou

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

No, I don't remember everyone on the forum waxing lyrically about the sweden experiment, because it never happened.  I remember some posters prematurely pronouncing it was a great success and others disputing that.

 

Scientists had a clear and united view that they needed to learn more about the virus.  The science evolved as more was learned about the virus and how it was transmitted, and recommendations on how to reduce the spread evolved with the science.  Unfortunately Trump made one of the easiest and most effective methods, wearing a mask, a political statement. 

So the the "science" at the time was...we basically haven,t got a clue,lets  see how it transpires,then we,ll know more, and everyone in my post ,was  referring to the members who posted on the subject,a point i thought would have been obvious,obviously a bit optimistic there.

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, kingdong said:

What and "science" at the time had a clear and united view on corona?remember everyone on the forum waxing lyrically about the " sweden experement " ,and look at what a roaring sucess that turned out to be.

"Everyone?" On the contrary, it was mainly people who downplayed the seriousness of the threat and the uselessness of masks and social distancing.  Hmmm...what sort of person fits that description? What is his or her usual brand of political opinion? That's a real stumper.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

"Everyone?" On the contrary, it was mainly people who downplayed the seriousness of the threat and the uselessness of masks and social distancing.  Hmmm...what sort of person fits that description? What is his or her usual brand of political opinion? That's a real stumper.

Who knows...get it?

[kingdong]

16 hours ago, heybruce said:

He could have based his policy on science, and let his policy evolve as the science evolved. 

He could have done a lot of things in hindsight.

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Who knows...get it?

Really? What political party has consistently downplayed the importance of mask wearing, social distancing, and the gravity of the threat posed by Covid?

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Really? What political party has consistently downplayed the importance of mask wearing, social distancing, and the gravity of the threat posed by Covid?

The ton ton macoute?

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, kingdong said:

He could have done a lot of things in hindsight.

Such nonsense. This is the guy who said the pandemic could be over by Easter. It could disappear like magic. He accused the Democrats of perpetrating a hoax by exaggerating the threat posed by covid. He refused to wear masks and mocked those who did. He held rallies where mask wearing wasn't required. He resisted using the DPA to compel companies to produce PPE gear. He refused to ramp up testing because he said it would make the pandemic look worse. In fact, he blamed increased testing by states for making the pandemic look worse. I could go on but your contention that it's only hindsight that affords a clear view of what should have been done is blatant nonsense.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Such nonsense. This is the guy who said the pandemic could be over by Easter. It could disappear like magic. He accused the Democrats of perpetrating a hoax by exaggerating the threat posed by covid. He refused to wear masks and mocked those who did. He held rallies where mask wearing wasn't required. He resisted using the DPA to compel companies to produce PPE gear. He refused to ramp up testing because he said it would make the pandemic look worse. In fact, he blamed increased testing by states for making the pandemic look worse. I could go on but your contention that it's only hindsight that affords a clear view of what should have been done is blatant nonsense.

Indeed. In the Mr. trump era revisionist history often happened within a single sentence in real time. President Biden is trying (it won't be easy) to lead us back into more sanity, where facts and reality trump gaslighting and constant lying. 

[Scott]

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