UK had 'one or two' Brexit teething issues on fishing, minister says

[7by7]

8 hours ago, Tofer said:

On 2/21/2021 at 10:27 AM, 7by7 said:

All working for and to support the NHS!

 

Utter rubbish!

 

The Army and the private care workers do not work for the health service. Yes they are currently supporting the effort, but that is completely different to ""working for""....

 

On 2/21/2021 at 10:27 AM, 7by7 said:

So a minister in the Health Department is in charge, with the Health Secretary, along with the Prime Minister, having overall responsibility.

 

As your quotation noted ""working with"", ergo not the same department.

 

Before I tested positive and then developed long Covid, I worked at a Covid test centre, and have been told I'll be welcome back when recovered. But I am employed and paid by an agency; both when working and now while receiving SSP.

 

According to your logic, despite all the NHS signs, despite the NHS uniforms worn by the staff, all of whom are employed and paid by an agency, despite using NHS supplied testing kits, despite those kits being sent to an NHS laboratory for testing; the employment agency is running the test centre, not the NHS!

 

8 hours ago, Tofer said:

On 2/21/2021 at 10:27 AM, 7by7 said:

The reasons for the EU members deciding on a unified approach rather than following the UK's lead are complex

 

Nice dodge.... ????

Pathetic deflection from the truth you cannot deny by you.

 

8 hours ago, Tofer said:

Resulting in serious delays to procurement, with a delay in orders of 3 months, plus the consequential delay in supply, since they are not at the front of the queue...

 

The delays were caused by the suppliers breaking their agreed contracts. For the latest on this, see Covid: What’s the problem with the EU vaccine rollout?

 

8 hours ago, Tofer said:

Yes, impossible to calculate. But you cannot deny they will be suffering the consequences of the above noted delays longer than the UK.

 

I can deny it; one reason being because all EU countries are either following either the manufacturers advice (after three or four weeks depending on vaccine given) or that of WHO (maximum of 6 weeks) on delivering the second dose (see "Vaccine deployment plans and rollout of vaccination" here) whilst the UK has gone for 12 weeks.

 

Who knows how this decision by the UK will effect the efficacy of the vaccine; but this government's record on Covid so far ranges from incompetent bungling to outright corruption and cronyism.

 

9 hours ago, Tofer said:

As I've just said in my previous post, it's high time you got over it and got behind your country, show a bit of British spirit, grow a backbone, instead of constantly crying / crowing over a situation that you cannot change. What exactly do you hope to achieve with all your pessimism and negativity, besides an an adolescent dig of 'I told you so'? Rubbing your hands together and cheering temporary, short term disruptions is, at best, rather disingenuous and very short sighted. Wars are not won in a day, but then, being a conscientious objector, you wouldn't know....

 

When all else fails, the Brexiteer argument of all those who disagree with them being unpatriotic!

 

Pointing out the failings of Boris' Brexit is the only way to overcome those failings. Following the Boris approach of ignoring them and waving the flag is only storing up massive problems for the future.

 

BTW, difficult for me to have been a conscientious objector in the last war as I wasn't born until 1955! Although I suppose your insult is logical to those like you who are still fighting it!

[elliss]

On 2/9/2021 at 7:13 PM, vogie said:

I agree with you.

 

    

On 2/9/2021 at 7:10 PM, Surelynot said:

.......and all the empty lorries....another fiction from the extreme left wing papers?

 

    Vogie .  Jump onto this .  We all know Lorry Drivers .

    Along with the few  remainders, of the working class.

    Are lefties , sure ..

 

[Tofer]

57 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

The delays were caused by the suppliers breaking their agreed contracts. For the latest on this, see Covid: What’s the problem with the EU vaccine rollout?

 

Nonsense. Since the full version of the contract with AZ has now been issued, the EU have retracted their proposal to sue the company - I wonder why??

[CG1 Blue]

5 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Did you agree with the money markets when the pound lost 15% of its value immediately after the referendum result was known?

I understood the money markets after the referendum. The markets were reacting to the uncertainty, as they always do. What we're seeing now is the start of a gradual recovery as there is more certainty (around Brexit at least). 

[candide]

48 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

Nonsense. Since the full version of the contract with AZ has now been issued, the EU have retracted their proposal to sue the company - I wonder why??

They did not deliver according the the agreed schedule. Whether they can be sued or not  is another matter, as there was a "best effort" clause.

[Rookiescot]

33 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I understood the money markets after the referendum. The markets were reacting to the uncertainty, as they always do. What we're seeing now is the start of a gradual recovery as there is more certainty (around Brexit at least). 

 

So a recovery from the Brexit vote is gradual but the markets the day after the referendum saw the pound plummet. 

Surely the uncertainty is over with now and the markets should absolutely jump back towards their former levels?

Or is this just a slight uptick in the value of the pound before those vile speculators (Farages's mates) reap profit? 

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

So a recovery from the Brexit vote is gradual but the markets the day after the referendum saw the pound plummet. 

Surely the uncertainty is over with now and the markets should absolutely jump back towards their former levels?

Or is this just a slight uptick in the value of the pound before those vile speculators (Farages's mates) reap profit? 

No, the end of uncertainty over long term effects will be gradual. Tentative. Nobody knows the long term impacts now because it's not been long enough. But the signs are positive, hence the strengthening pound.

The big drop after the Brexit vote was a case of panic and r's covering. Following the crowd. 

[Scott]

Inflammatory, troll post removed.

 

[Tofer]

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

the employment agency is running the test centre, not the NHS!

 

Where did I say that.

 

Same old tactics, creating your own agenda to deflect from the actual thread of my post. Better to not respond at all if you cannot come up with a valid argument against the specific subject.

 

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

When all else fails, the Brexiteer argument of all those who disagree with them being unpatriotic!

 

I didn't say you were unpatriotic, I said you had no backbone or British spirit.

 

However, if the cap fits.....

 

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

BTW, difficult for me to have been a conscientious objector in the last war as I wasn't born until 1955! Although I suppose your insult is logical to those like you who are still fighting it!

 

Where did I mention any specific war? I said wars, i.e as a generalisation. You really need to brush up on your literary comprehension.

[Tofer]

13 hours ago, candide said:

Whether they can be sued or not  is another matter, as there was a "best effort" clause.

 

Exactly, thank you....

 

It would appear they cannot be sued, hence UvdL's withdrawal of her threat, and since clauses, such as the one you quoted, have now been made public. Another embarrassing 'U' turn.

Edited February 23, 2021 by Tofer

[stevenl]

15 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

Nonsense. Since the full version of the contract with AZ has now been issued, the EU have retracted their proposal to sue the company - I wonder why??

 

56 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

Exactly, thank you....

 

It would appear they cannot be sued, hence UvdL's withdrawal of her threat, and since clauses, such as the one you quoted, have now been made public. Another embarrassing 'U' turn.

LOL, yes, another embarrassing U-turn.

[7by7]

19 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

Nonsense. Since the full version of the contract with AZ has now been issued, the EU have retracted their proposal to sue the company - I wonder why??

 

Not because the full contract is now public; that would have happened had they taken their suppliers to court.

 

If suing someone for breach of contract, the contract is obviously presented to the court as evidence. Otherwise, how can the court decide whether or not it was breached!

[7by7]

5 hours ago, Tofer said:

Where did I say that.

 

Same old tactics, creating your own agenda to deflect from the actual thread of my post. Better to not respond at all if you cannot come up with a valid argument against the specific subject.

 You're quoting me out of context to change my meaning. Not surprised. I did not claim that you said that, what I said was "According to your logic...." 

 

5 hours ago, Tofer said:

I didn't say you were unpatriotic, I said you had no backbone or British spirit.

 

However, if the cap fits.....

So if that's not calling me unpatriotic, what is it calling me?

 

As for the intent of your jibe, I refer you to my previous response.

 

5 hours ago, Tofer said:

Where did I mention any specific war? I said wars, i.e as a generalisation. You really need to brush up on your literary comprehension.

You called a conscientious objector.

 

The last war the UK fought where there was universal conscription was the Second World war.

 

You really ought to brush up on your history before using it to throw childish insults around!

[7by7]

8 hours ago, Tofer said:

<snip>

I didn't say you were unpatriotic, I said you had no backbone or British spirit.

 

By "backbone" and "British spirit" I assume you mean similar to that displayed during the Blitz and other major crises in our history.

 

Which makes me wonder why such is needed if, as you so obviously believe, Brexit is so wonderful and Boris is leading us out of the slough of EU domination into the high pastures of independent prosperity!

[StreetCowboy]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

By "backbone" and "British spirit" I assume you mean similar to that displayed during the Blitz and other major crises in our history.

 

Which makes me wonder why such is needed if, as you so obviously believe, Brexit is so wonderful and Boris is leading us out of the slough of EU domination into the high pastures of independent prosperity!

In the absence of troubled times, we have to make our own.

It's all part of growing up and being British.

 

If we had known COVID was coming up, we would not have needed to handicap ourselves with Brexit

[bannork]

 Brexit is causing so much more damage than mere teething problems-

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/boris-johnsons-government-is-gaslighting-britain-about-the-realities-of-brexit-critics-say/ar-BB1dQAIo

[Tofer]

18 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Not because the full contract is now public; that would have happened had they taken their suppliers to court.

 

If suing someone for breach of contract, the contract is obviously presented to the court as evidence. Otherwise, how can the court decide whether or not it was breached!

 

Obviously, that's why it was only a threat. The EU trying to show it's might, without any substance.

[Tofer]

18 hours ago, 7by7 said:

You're quoting me out of context to change my meaning. Not surprised. I did not claim that you said that, what I said was "According to your logic...." 

 

 

It's quite simple - don't try putting words into my mouth.

 

Keep your spurious interpretations of "my logic" to yourself in future.

[Tofer]

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

By "backbone" and "British spirit" I assume you mean similar to that displayed during the Blitz and other major crises in our history.

 

It's got nothing to do with the Blitz. There you go again, trying to put your own words into my mouth. Please desist from telling me what I mean or am thinking, because you're making a complete hash of it.

 

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Which makes me wonder why such is needed if, as you so obviously believe, Brexit is so wonderful and Boris is leading us out of the slough of EU domination into the high pastures of independent prosperity!

 

It's needed in a vein hope that you lot might eventually quit whining and accept the reality, i.e. get behind your country, instead of clinging onto your historic / shredded comfort blanket.

 

Cheering short term disruptions is not clever. It simply shows up your intransigence and blinkered attitude, and all rather pointless and pathetic since the deed is done. Or do you really believe the UK will re-join if you cry and crow loud enough.... ????

 

Let me ask you one very serious question - do you really believe the UK is going to fail outside the EU?

[Tofer]

On 2/22/2021 at 4:09 PM, Rookiescot said:

Did you agree with the money markets when the pound lost 15% of its value immediately after the referendum result was known?

 

I did!. I sat up half the night to hear the result, because I knew it was going to cost me a lot of money to proceed with my plans in Thailand, and I was proved right. 

 

The money markets respond to uncertainty, and the long drawn out transition was obviously going to be a lengthy and acrimonious process.

 

What is it about the resurgence of the pound that you do not understand?

[Tofer]

18 hours ago, 7by7 said:

You called a conscientious objector.

 

Obviously, it was a figure of speech, not a specific reference to your predilections towards 'THE' wars, as you were not around then, simply a simile of your defeatist attitude and reluctance to accept the way it is now post Brexit.

 

You find that insulting, well if the cap fits wear it.

[Tofer]

On 2/22/2021 at 7:58 PM, 7by7 said:

BTW, difficult for me to have been a conscientious objector in the last war as I wasn't born until 1955! Although I suppose your insult is logical to those like you who are still fighting it!

 

Likewise, I was not around then. It's the EU who appear to want to make Brexit into a new war, with their petty bans and disruptions. In fact they've been doing it for years with the CAP and the CFP, which strongly favoured their businesses. 

 

Now the EU want to punish the UK for having the audacity to leave their precious club. I almost wish we'd left with a no deal, and could start a fresh on WTO.

 

[JonnyF]

6 minutes ago, Tofer said:

Now the EU want to punish the UK for having the audacity to leave their precious club. I almost wish we'd left with a no deal, and could start a fresh on WTO.

It's not over yet, they've just asked for 2 more months to ratify the deal. 

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-gives-eu-extra-time-to-ratify-brexit-trade-deal/

 

Apparently the hapless EU are about as efficient at translating documents as they are at procuring and administering vaccines.????

 

[bannork]

1 hour ago, Tofer said:

 

It's got nothing to do with the Blitz. There you go again, trying to put your own words into my mouth. Please desist from telling me what I mean or am thinking, because you're making a complete hash of it.

 

 

It's needed in a vein hope that you lot might eventually quit whining and accept the reality, i.e. get behind your country, instead of clinging onto your historic / shredded comfort blanket.

 

Cheering short term disruptions is not clever. It simply shows up your intransigence and blinkered attitude, and all rather pointless and pathetic since the deed is done. Or do you really believe the UK will re-join if you cry and crow loud enough.... ????

 

Let me ask you one very serious question - do you really believe the UK is going to fail outside the EU?

Absolutely, in reply to your final sentence. We lost our empire and found our place as a significant member of a very important trading bloc. As a member we could influence decisions made by the trading bloc, further enhancing our role in global affairs.

Now we have thrown all that away and are finding out sovereignty doesn't mean much when to have to complete 70 pages of forms to exports goods in just one lorry.

In my view it's the Brexiteers who are living in the past, longing for restored glory, ' global Britain' punching well above our weight. It's undeniable through geography alone that the EU will always be an extremely important market for the UK, and to reduce ourselves to third country status is financial madness.

How many members of Johnson's Cabinet have a business background?  None I believe.

The British bulldog is dead. He has been replaced by the British buffalo.

[Tofer]

53 minutes ago, bannork said:

2 hours ago, Tofer said:

Let me ask you one very serious question - do you really believe the UK is going to fail outside the EU?

Absolutely, in reply to your final sentence.

 

Very sad!!

 

We'll see... Without the benefit of a crystal ball, I wouldn't be so sure, especially considering UK's historic successes. 

 

54 minutes ago, bannork said:

The British bulldog is dead. He has been replaced by the British buffalo.

 

It is amongst you lot.

 

However, It seems Boris has a soul mate, judging from your avatar, and attitude.

[bannork]

5 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

Very sad!!

 

We'll see... Without the benefit of a crystal ball, I wouldn't be so sure, especially considering UK's historic successes. 

 

 

It is amongst you lot.

 

However, It seems Boris has a soul mate, judging from your avatar, and attitude.

My avatar is in fact Boris Johnson in a previous life.

[Tofer]

14 minutes ago, bannork said:

My avatar is in fact Boris Johnson in a previous life.

 

If you say so????

 

1 hour ago, bannork said:

Absolutely, in reply to your final sentence.

 

Schroders’ International Cities Index for 2020 

Metropolis	2020 Rating	2020 Rank	2019 Rating	2019 Rank	Change
London	8.53	1	8.19	2	1
San Francisco	8.4	2	7.97	6	4
Boston	8.29	3	8.06	4	1
Paris	8.27	4	7.63	14	10
New York	8.19	5	7.95	9	4
Hong Kong	8.11	6	8.15	3	-3
Toronto	8.1	7	7.62	16	9
San Jose	8.06	8	7.94	10	2
Seattle	8.03	9	7.98	5	-4
Melbourne	8.01	10	7.73	12	2
Singapore	8	11	7.7	13	2
Stockholm	7.99	12	7.32	31	19
Sydney	7.98	13	7.96	7	-6
Los Angeles	7.97	14	8.23	1	-13
Montréal	7.88	15	7.3	34	19
Manchester	7.85	16	7.35	28	12
Zurich	7.81	17	7.29	35	18
Copenhagen	7.81	18	6.96	64	46
Shenzhen	7.79	19	7.18	44	25
Munich	7.77	20	7.27	40	20
Washington	7.77	21	7.58	17	-4
Perth	7.75	22	7.48	24	2
Hangzhou	7.75	23	7.57	20	-3
Vancouver	7.74	24	7.31	33	9
Beijing	7.73	25	7.57	19	-6
Madrid	7.7	26	6.87	78	52
Nanjing	7.7	27	7.24	41	14
Shanghai	7.7	28	7.51	21	-7
Brisbane	7.69	29	7.49	22	-7
Chengdu	7.67	30	7.08	52	22

Hugo Machin, portfolio supervisor and co-head of International Cities at Schroders commented: ‘We weren’t stunned to see London regain first place within the Index. While there was uncertainty generated by Brexit and the ensuing political setting, its underlying fundamentals stay enticing to traders.’

 

Even Manchester is ahead of all but one of the EU countries....

Edited February 24, 2021 by Tofer

[Rookiescot]

2 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

I did!. I sat up half the night to hear the result, because I knew it was going to cost me a lot of money to proceed with my plans in Thailand, and I was proved right. 

 

The money markets respond to uncertainty, and the long drawn out transition was obviously going to be a lengthy and acrimonious process.

 

What is it about the resurgence of the pound that you do not understand?

 

I understand the difference between a slow grinding uphill and a cliff edge.

The pound after Brexit went over a cliff edge. 

Over the last week its has gone up slightly.

Suddenly all you Brexiteers are claiming this as a fantastic success and a vindication of Brexit.

What you you be saying if it starts going back down again over the next week?

[Hi from France]

On 2/22/2021 at 9:48 AM, CG1 Blue said:

How is the GBP doing since we ended the transition period and properly left the EU? It's up at 1.40 to the USD and 1.15 to the EUR now. So the currency markets disagree with all your negativity

This is ridiculous 

 

You are fiddling the figures. Don't tell me you have been unable to find the existing studies, even the tabloids published them 

[Hi from France]

On 2/22/2021 at 1:58 PM, 7by7 said:

Before I tested positive and then developed long Covid, I worked at a Covid test centre, and have been told I'll be welcome back when recovered. 

I'm sorry for you, bravo for taking risks to help others. 

 

A single dose of the vaccine might be useful in your situation, provided vaccine makers can deliver. 

 

Now in Europe AstraZeneca is again and again unable to deliver, apparently deliveries will be again cut by half 

 

Quote

The EU official, who is directly involved in talks with the Anglo-Swedish drugmaker, said the company had told the bloc during internal meetings that it “would deliver less than 90m doses in the second quarter”.

 

Quote

AstraZeneca’s contract with the EU, which was leaked last week, showed the company had committed to delivering 180m doses to the 27-nation bloc in the second quarter.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...quarter-report