2 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

Here is the official website of Sputnik V (not 'Reuters' or other propaganda stuff).

Study and enjoy, about trials:

https://sputnikvaccine.com/about-vaccine/clinical-trials/

Yeh because a website called sputnikvaccine.com won't be biased will it? ????

Just now, rabas said:

OK, but the bio science experts said the earlier data was "improbable".

 

Concerns with the Sputnik V vaccine data

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n743/rr-1

 

Well, there are many bio science experts with different opinions. You right is to trust some, and ignore the others.

1 minute ago, Amdesign said:

There is sufficient real world data, millions are vaccinated.

But don't look for this 'data' in biased western media... ????

So where can we find it? Or do we just take your word for this real world data?

2 minutes ago, JamieM said:

Yeh because a website called sputnikvaccine.com won't be biased will it? ????

Smart people would study the official information first.

In depth, You can read the Lancet (link kindly provided above) or other scientific medical press.

4 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

There is sufficient real world data, millions are vaccinated.

But don't look for this 'data' in biased western media... ????

Frankly I was feeling better about Sputnik before reading your barage of snow job posts. Not sure you're really helping your cause.

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

So where can we find it? Or do we just take your word for this real world data?

Where You find 'real world data' about other vaccines? ????

Look at scientific press, not at internet experts or biased politicians.

Is this Sputnik vaccine even included on the list of accepted vaccines for tourists who want to visit Thailand?

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Frankly I was feeling better about Sputnik before reading your barage of snow job posts. Not sure you're really helping your cause.

I am just sharing my personal experience with Sputnik...

You prefer to wear the mask the rest of Your life - go ahead. ????

Just now, up-country_sinclair said:

Is this Sputnik vaccine even included on the list of accepted vaccines for tourists who want to visit Thailand?

Not yet. But hope it will be soon, once they start considering to buy it.

2 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

I am just sharing my personal experience with Sputnik...

You prefer to wear the mask the rest of Your life - go ahead. ????

Your rosy advocacy for Sputnik and your trashing of Reuters don't pass the smell test masked or not.

11 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

Where You find 'real world data' about other vaccines? ????

Look at scientific press, not at internet experts or biased politicians.

Real world data is from Scientific press, thats why I'm asking for it, you said there is plenty, where?

 

Here's some examples  of real world data.

 

Astrazeneca

"Clinical trials provide a good indication of vaccine efficacy, but it is not until vaccines are delivered into people’s arms in real-world settings that we can fully assess their impact."

 https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/real-world-data-supports-use-astrazeneca-vaccine-older-individuals

 

Pfizer and Moderna

‘Real world’ study by CDC shows Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were 90% effective https://www.statnews.com/2021/03/29/real-world-study-by-cdc-shows-pfizer-and-moderna-vaccines-were-90-effective/

 

Astrazeneca

Coronavirus vaccination linked to substantial reduction in hospitalisation, real-world data suggests

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-22-coronavirus-vaccination-linked-substantial-reduction-hospitalisation-real-world-data

 

 

So back to you, where are these reports on Sputnik as you claimed?

Just now, Jingthing said:

Your rosy advocacy for Sputnik and your trashing of Reuters don't pass the smell test masked or not.

Reuters is known for fake news about Russia. No trust. Would You trust RT news about US? ????

 

'Advocacy' is nothing but sharing personal experience. If You personally don't want to hear anything good about Russian vaccine - Your problem.

I gave official link, those interested can study in depth.

Just now, Amdesign said:

Reuters is known for fake news about Russia. No trust. Would You trust RT news about US? ????

 

'Advocacy' is nothing but sharing personal experience. If You personally don't want to hear anything good about Russian vaccine - Your problem.

I gave official link, those interested can study in depth.

Russia Today is Russian state owned and controlled propaganda.

Reuters is a very credible unbiased  news source.

To suggest those as equivalents is totally twisted.

3 hours ago, Flying Saucage said:

Russia lacks production capacities, but does a lot of "vaccine-diplomacy" by selling far more doses to other countries than they are capable to produce.

 

Officials from Slovakia complained last week already, because besides the name, the Sputnik V vaccine they received had nothing in common with the approved original vaccine. Highly suspicious.

 

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-04-slovak-voices-misgivings-sputnik-vaccine.html

 

 

You are long-stayer in Thailand, right? Laos and Vietnam are your favorite destinations to get Thai visa after the borders will be opened for vaccinated tourists, right?

If so, you will be the first in the queue to get your Sputnik vaccination. Because this vaccine is approved in both Laos and Vietnam. And it is very likely that after reopening, there will be cheap quarantine-free visa-run opportunities for Sputnik vaccinated expats.

But of course, the political games around vaccines are very interesting to discuss.

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Real world data is from Scientific press, thats why I'm asking for it, you said there is plenty, where?

...

 

So back to you, where are these reports on Sputnik as you claimed?

It is here: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00234-8/fulltext

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

So where can we find it? Or do we just take your word for this real world data?

Millions of Sputnik jabs were administered in many countries,  but as far as I know there is no comprehensive real data summary from any country yet.  Argentina, Serbia and Hungary have done lots of jabs, hopefully reports would follow soon.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

To suggest those as equivalents is totally twisted.

Not for me. I saw a lot of lie from Reuters, they just posted fake pics and distorted the reality. Many times.

2 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

It is here: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00234-8/fulltext

This correlates with other study results, indicating that Sputnik V is reasonably safe and effective. 

Just now, Danderman123 said:

This correlates with other study results, indicating that Sputnik V is reasonably safe and effective. 

But nay-sayers will still have their 'objections'...

A lot of them in this forum, living in their own reality drawn by mainstream western media.

10 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

It is here: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00234-8/fulltext

No sorry you're just not getting it. That link is the interim results from phase 3 trials, interesting but not the final version. Even the final version is not real world data however.

 

Real world data is the data gained from the administration of millions of shots of vaccine, this is the accurate picture in how it performs in real life situations, not in clinical trials. It gives a more accurate assessment on its effectiveness and efficacy and side effects.

 

Russia has administered millions of shots, this data should be published somewhere? 

 

 

1 hour ago, Amdesign said:

I am vaccinated by Sputnik, and many people I know. Never heard about side effects.

 

Regarding 'propaganda': if You go to Moscow, everything is open for many months - shops, restaurants, karaoke, public transport, etc. all businesses are open. You only have to wear mask in public transport and in enclosed public spaces. Not like in EU countries going through constant lockdowns. Why? Because vaccination is widely available, it is independent from foreign suppliers, it costs about 700Baht per jab (free for retired and social groups), government advertises vaccination widely. 2 jabs are required, 3 weeks between them. They deployed mobile vaccination centers, they are even in shopping malls...

 

The advantage of Russian vaccine is: does not need to be stored/transported at very low temperatures.

 

As to 'Slovakia issue' with Sputnik, this is dirty political games and competition. Mass media noise, no proofs. Why Russia would risk reputation to supply substandard vaccines, for what purpose??

But the fact remain that the russians have a deep mistrust of their own vaccin. The vaccin is  available but to few are willing to take it. Numerous polls show this. The russians would prefer another vaccin but have no choice since russia is "dependent from foreign suppliers" - a nicer word for no choice.

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No sorry you're just not getting it. That link is the interim results from phase 3 trials, interesting but not the final version. Even the final version is not real world data however.

 

Real world data is the data gained from the administration of millions of shots of vaccine, this is the accurate picture in how it performs in real life situations, not in clinical trials. It gives a more accurate assessment on its effectiveness and efficacy and side effects.

 

Russian has administered millions of shots, this data should be published somewhere? 

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-russia-vaccine-idINL1N2MC1BG

 

However no detailed report.

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No sorry you're just not getting it. That link is the interim results from phase 3 trials, interesting but not the final version. Even the final version is not real world data however.

 

Real world data is the data gained from the administration of millions of shots of vaccine, this is the accurate picture in how it performs in real life situations, not in clinical trials. It gives a more accurate assessment on its effectiveness and efficacy and side effects.

 

Russia has administered millions of shots, this data should be published somewhere? 

 

 

Russia’s Sputnik V Covid-19 vaccine shows 97.6% efficacy

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No sorry you're just not getting it. That link is the interim results from phase 3 trials, interesting but not the final version. Even the final version is not real world data however.

 

Real world data is the data gained from the administration of millions of shots of vaccine, this is the accurate picture in how it performs in real life situations, not in clinical trials. It gives a more accurate assessment on its effectiveness and efficacy and side effects.

 

Russia has administered millions of shots, this data should be published somewhere?

Hey, someone said on previous pages there was no Phase 3 trials for Sputnik?? When I show the results for phase 3, You require more data? ????

Of course it is published somewhere (maybe in Russian first). I am usually not reading medical magazines, not the area of my scientific interests.

3 hours ago, internationalism said:

sinovac was not cheap, 650b per vial for the first batch 2mln.

Thai have ordered another 2mln.

at $21 per vial it's more expensive, as many other ones.

But thailand has no choice, has to buy anything and for any price.

They waited far too long.

So I won't be surprised if they pay also over $20 for sputnik. Blame thailand for not planning for the future waves and new strains 

650 bht per vial,how many jabs per vial ? In Europe with Pizer 6 jabs per vial so pretty cheap if the same goes for Sino.

4 minutes ago, Stygge said:

But the fact remain that the russians have a deep mistrust of their own vaccin. The vaccin is  available but to few are willing to take it.

Who told You this nonsense? Polls by western media? ????

 

3 minutes ago, gearbox said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-russia-vaccine-idINL1N2MC1BG

 

However no detailed report.

Thanks for that. Sounds good.

 

“This data confirms that Sputnik V demonstrates one of the best protection rates against coronavirus among all vaccines,” said Kirill Dmitriev, head of the RDIF sovereign wealth fund which is backing the vaccine." 

 

"The new data will be published in a peer-reviewed medical journal next month, the statement added."

 

I look forward to the official study after its been peer reviewed. As the current reviews are lees than complimentary on it.

 

Concerns with the Sputnik V vaccine data

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n743/rr-1

17 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

Not for me. I saw a lot of lie from Reuters, they just posted fake pics and distorted the reality. Many times.

News isn't fake just because you don’t like it.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

News isn't fake just because you don’t like it.

I trust my eyes more than I trust Reuters... You like it or not.

6 minutes ago, Amdesign said:

Hey, someone said on previous pages there was no Phase 3 trials for Sputnik?? When I show the results for phase 3, You require more data? ????

Of course it is published somewhere (maybe in Russian first). I am usually not reading medical magazines, not the area of my scientific interests.

You did not show the results for Phase 3. Interim Phase 3 trial results are not the same as final Phase 3 trial results that are peer reviewed, you do understand that right?