THE WEEK THAT WAS The year long Phony War is over - unless you’re a pandemic denier

[kingstonkid]

2 hours ago, gunderhill said:

The crime is  this, wanting to make it a  crime. The  slippery slope  to totalitarian rule, no thanks.

The big problem is that you can say or do anything on the internet and be anonymous.  It is not only here in Thailand.  As stated you can not silence people but it might be interesting that the internet removed the nick name and everyone was given access to the internet and able to publish and go on chat or Facebook but can only use their real name and picture as well as the real city they live in.

 

The defamation laws in this country are probably the most stringent.  Could you imagine what it would be like in the states if they had the law that you can not slander anyone,  Man talk about a buoy court system and a lot of rich happy Facebook chasers (lawyers).

 

There is an advantage to that in that it might end a lot of the bullying false <deleted> said about people.

 

Well my rant is done. 

 

A ROOSTER IN A BOOT

 

As to the wife forgetting you in the boot.  Roster you might be right but I am sure the kids would remember after all who would pay for their favorite meals and toys.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, Boricua67 said:

"I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees"

 

That's how those of you who are afraid of covid are living. You're pathetic. You don't realize that every day you allow the governments around the world to dictate how you live, you lose your freedom.

 

I'd rather be dead than to continue to live like this.

Go visit some people who have covid and your wish might be granted. You might also reach a better understanding but it could be to late then. 

[rumak]

1 hour ago, RandolphGB said:

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

It’s time not just to rid social media of such people but for governments to look at making it a crime to say such things, a bit like some nations have laws to rein in Holocaust deniers.

 

 

Read as far as this line. 

 

oh, don't we just love others who are just trying to protect us from ourselves. 

Ban everything , i say !    Burn all the books !   

 

The rooster crows.   Reminds me of the classic " One flew over the cuckoos nest".

(roosters can fly, can't they ? )

ahh,  i see google is not banned yet :  "The longest recorded flight of a modern chicken lasted 13 seconds for a distance of just over three hundred feet."

 

happy sunday ...... to those allowing themselves such a luxury

[mogandave]

16 minutes ago, robblok said:

Go visit some people who have covid and your wish might be granted. You might also reach a better understanding but it could be to late then. 

 

I doubt the government will let you visit them. 

 

I know in the US people were not allowed to visit their loved ones.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

 

I doubt the government will let you visit them. 

 

I know in the US people were not allowed to visit their loved ones.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/12/us/30-year-old-covid-party-death.html

 

there are ways around that.

But my remark was not 100% serious. More like a dare.. and more like making him think about what he was saying.

 

But the fact is that those covid deniers that also don't follow the rules will cause more spread of the disease.

 

Also the misinformation they spread makes people think light of the disease and thus take more risks.

 

If it was only themselves that were at risk i could not care less. But just like drunk drivers they often take out innocent people too.

[Keesters]

53 minutes ago, robblok said:

I agree that there should be freedom of speech but is that the same as freedom to lie ?

 

Especially if those lies put others in danger.

 

Its a slippery slope but those "village idiots" eh i mean covid deniers are influencing other people and making people break the rules thus endangering others.

 

Like Rooster said, there are still people denying the holocaust, we all know that it happend why should they be allowed to lie about it. That is not freedom of speech or a different opinion. That is a lie. Same goes for many covid deniers. Sure you can have some remarks about the finer points and efficiancy but that is it.

 

Also those anti vaxers were talking about how many people would die.. i believe close to or over 1 billion vaccinated already. Where are all the people that are dropping dead.. or growing a third arm (you know it messes with your DNA is one of those claims).

Sure there have been deaths, but that happens with all medicine. As long as the cure is not much more lethal then the disease its a moot point. But it has to be said the number of deaths because of vaccination are miniscule compared to the number of vaccinations. Now compare that to covid deaths.

 

Its time that antivaxers and covid deniers are called what they are the fruitcakes (and that is naming it nicely)

 

Hopping from one theory to an other each time forgetting that their previous theories have been debunked. Never looking back at their track record and thinking that they might be wrong. People should look down onto these strange people.

 

I am still amazed because some of those people are actually not stupid, some are even smart. Then again religious people are the same so i should not be so surprised. Some people just can't accept logic and the truth if it does not conform to their opinion.

 

Everyone hates this virus and wants it to be over, the efforts of anti vaxers and covid deniers are making this harder.

 

Maybe those caught doing it should be made to work at a hospital among covid patients. Then they can explain to those patients how they are not sick and that they are not dying from the disease but from their other health conditions. I am sure that would be a fun conversation.

 

 

 

I agree with you about lies, however is it a lie when said as an opinion. And if lies are to be banned let the politicians, MSM, (so called) experts etc lead by example. Seriously if all those people stopped lying they'd have nothing to say. 

 

There's an old saying "let the buyer beware". Amend that as "let the reader/listener beware". Do not believe anything anybody says or does without doing your own research. If you believe what someone days then don't complain later about it being a lie. That's called taking responsibility for your own actions. Freedom of speech IMO is a fundamental human right. If rooster59 feels it should be curtailed let him step forward and be the first to shut up. 

Edited April 25, 2021 by Keesters

[Saltire]

38 minutes ago, robblok said:

 

Also those anti vaxers were talking about how many people would die.. i believe close to or over 1 billion vaccinated already. Where are all the people that are dropping dead.. or growing a third arm (you know it messes with your DNA is one of those claims).

 

Agree.

 

I would be more worried about the lingering effects of surviving covid, with or without a vaccine.

 

Now I am NOT a fan of Big Pharma, but credit where credit is due, I think they have excelled by one year in to a serious pandemic, they have brought to market around 8 vaccines to choose from. Sure they are experimental and some may have a long term adverse effect, but the urgency of this (and yes the opportunity to make Millions), demanded a quick solution. Vaccine science has apparently made great strides due to this current pandemic. I say current as I fully expect more, and worse than Covid, but now the scientists may be closer to a more proactive solution.  

 

 

Deperate times need desparate solutions. Personally, as a 66 year old with the jackpot treble of pre-existing conditions, I would take any of them today if offered.

 

As to freedom of speech - I say covid is very real and vaccines can not be ignored as part of the solution. Freedom of speech has degenerated into a swathe of deliberate misinformation and lies, thanks to a spotty oik who had no clue what he was unleashing.

[RocketDog]

2 hours ago, gunderhill said:

The crime is  this, wanting to make it a  crime. The  slippery slope  to totalitarian rule, no thanks.

Well said.

I was going to add something similar to your statement. Free speech is free speech. For those disinterested or unable to distinguish truth from nonsense life has already become difficult and will only get worse. 

 

I would also add that if you don't want to be subjected to all the tripe on the far too numerous nonsensical social disease  platforms, just don't use them. They are not being beamed directly into our brains after all..... yet. 

 

And no, I indulge myself in no such social pig flop except this forum. And that's only because it provides a useful insight into expat life in the Kingdom, where I am now inextricably embedded. 

[RocketDog]

2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Isn't it just wondeful that everyone espouse freedom of speach when it's suits their agenda.

I suppose you are happy with complete freedom of speach for everyone so you'll be happy with ISIS, the KKK, paedophiles and every and all other individuals to enjoy the same freedoms? Yeah, thought not.

Misinformation is a real problem and at it's worse causes death and misery. No one is saying we should be limiting our hard fought for freedoms but a sensible approach to the VERY serious problem of mailcous and deliberate misinformation is just as essential as keeping things transparent and open.

Lives are at stake and if it requires the odd draconian law then so be it.  
 

And as always the proper response is "who will watch the watchers" or regulate the regulators? 

These are simply not black or white issues. 

[NancyL]

Rooster, I applaud you for commenting on the important news about Giant, the pit bull, but you forgot to report on this week's news involving important Thai cats.

 

I've been closely following developments with the six prized pedigreed cats seized in the drug raid https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1214844-pedigree-cats-seized-in-thai-drugs-raid-find-new-home-with-feline-fanatic/   It would be nice if ThaiVisa did some investigative work on just who is the woman who bought all six felines?  What is her "Kingdom of Tigers"?  Will she take care of the cats responsbility or use them for breeding because they have a famous reputation?

 

And speaking of famous feline reputations, what about the poor Thai kitty who met a horrible end in NYC?  https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1214651- justiceforponzu-thai-netizens-support-compatriot-in-us-whose-cat-was-killed-in-park-attack/ 

 

Come on, Rooster.  You can do better.  I read your weekly report for your witty comments about news that matters, not to get caught up in yet another quibbling match from armchair warriors who have nothing better to do with their time.

 

 

[4MyEgo]

14 minutes ago, robblok said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/12/us/30-year-old-covid-party-death.html

 

there are ways around that.

But my remark was not 100% serious. More like a dare.. and more like making him think about what he was saying.

 

But the fact is that those covid deniers that also don't follow the rules will cause more spread of the disease.

 

Also the misinformation they spread makes people think light of the disease and thus take more risks.

 

If it was only themselves that were at risk i could not care less. But just like drunk drivers they often take out innocent people too.

 

You can't control, what you can't control.

 

Misinformation has been around for centuries, don't tell me you just found out now, the latest one I can recall is when that short a$$ president in 2003 said, Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and invaded Iraq, killing around 400,000 people, but then again, some would say he deserved it, deflecting from the misrepresentation ?

[RocketDog]

41 minutes ago, Boricua67 said:

"I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees"

 

That's how those of you who are afraid of covid are living. You're pathetic. You don't realize that every day you allow the governments around the world to dictate how you live, you lose your freedom.

 

I'd rather be dead than to continue to live like this.

Nonsensical raving. 

[Flying Saucage]

Very good piece Rooster! ????

 

However restrictions on freedom of speech are a very critical issue. I agree to what most posters above write about that. Freedom to lie, freedom to create fake news? Should maybe be restricted though. Where to draw the line between both? Very difficult, as this gives dictatorships and totalitarian regimes another instrument for suppression. 

 

As this is such a difficult and complex issue, the worlds pluralistic democracies are reluctant to touch it. I think this is the best way to go at the end. If lies are too obvious and too dangerous, if they affect the well being of others, it should be in the power of the independent courts, always under the rule of separation of powers and checks and balances, to forbid spreading dangerous lies. 

 

In Thailand, separation of powers and checks and balances do not exist at all, though. Dangerous lies usually come from the top here.

 

[roger101]

1 hour ago, upu2 said:

The virus is real. However cases are being considered as hospitalisations and deaths which they are not. You can have the virus feel a bit under the weather for a while and then feel fine. The people who are at risk are those who are obese or have underlaying health problems.

I  am not so much worried about catching Covid the evidence is in my favour. I am much more worried about Long Covid which they now occurs in 1 in 7 patients afterwards. Reference The Sunday Times this morning.

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

You can't control, what you can't control.

 

Misinformation has been around for centuries, don't tell me you just found out now, the latest one I can recall is when that short a$$ president in 2003 said, Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and invaded Iraq, killing around 400,000 people, but then again, some would say he deserved it, deflecting from the misrepresentation ?

You can't control it that is true. But just like with Sadam these people are responsible for the death of others.

 

Realistically i doubt that anything can be done. All we can do is make fun of them on the forum. That is about it.

[johnnybangkok]

15 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

I agree with you wholeheartedly, It is clear that differences of opinion are required for our species to survive and have a better understanding of how things work in society, i.e. we can NEVER take one side or listen to one side, otherwise we would be no better off than sheep, the majority of the human race has been conditioned to obey and not think outside the square.

 

We MUST listen to BOTH sides and then, make our OWN minds up as individuals, there is no right or wrong, it's all about perception, if people are gullible to believe one side over the other without thinking outside the square and not doing their own research, then they are no different than sheep, that is what separates those of us that think, as opposed to those who trust whatever they are fed.

 

In my opinion and from my extensive research, I can clearly see that there is a virus out there, yes it kills, yes it spreads more easily and a vaccine is required to reduce it's level of spread and damage that it does to those infected, however I do not see THEM, i.e. all world leaders listening to anyone outside of the WHO, the CDC and the FDA who have not suggested any other medicines to take which have been around for a long time, they have actually shelved them, and taken Doctors to task, you know the guys in white robes that we have trusted for decades, instead replaced them with government admin and front line puppets like Dr Fauci in my opinion, so Dr's are not allowed to treat their patients, this is a first, whatever happened to Dr, Patient privileges, e.g. something else in lieu of there being no vaccines available at that time, governments stepped in and took control over Dr's, remember, these are professionals in their chosen fields, I have NEVER heard of this before, and am suspicious as to why, previously it was always up to the Dr on how he/she would treat the patient, this to me is now nothing short of tyranny, where countries that have always been considered free, are now oppressed by their governments arbitrary use of powers.

 

One only has to look at all the research out there that suggests that the Flu shot may provide up to 24% protection against Covid, better than nothing at the moment, the Pneumonia vaccine may also provide some protection, however from what I have researched on the drugs that the Thai government are providing to Covid patients, e.g. Favipiravir which is what the Japanese invented back in 2014 for the Influenza, but their tests showed it couldn't work for Covid after a trial so it was eventually scraped and it's patent expired, now Thailand makes it (legally) and is giving it to it's Covid patients, but no large scale tests have been conducted, so good for them for going against the grain and experimenting to see what might work, I mean, it appears to work as we see the amount of those coming out of hospital to be higher than those remaining in hospital, so why aren't others trying it, or something else ?.

 

It's always been a massive PUSH for the vaccine from the start, 12-18 time, but no to anything else professionals have suggested, who cares:

 

Dr to Covid patient; we don't have anything at the moment, the vaccines are 3,4,5,6 months away, will you agree to try this drug, or that drug which may or may not work, we have given xyz patients this drug and xyz patients have recovered and zxy patients have not, it is up to you, and if it works, all and good then you can get vaccinated when the vaccines arrives later.

 

But to suggest we are conspiracy theorists for thinking or commenting outside the main media one sided spill, is an absolute disgrace to those who are so fixated on being and believing the one sided views.

 

A coin will always has two sides to it, here are two sides to back me up and hopefully not warrant me being warned again or being suspended for my views.

 

Side one, hope:

 

https://www.ajmc.com/view/flu-vaccine-may-protect-against-covid-19-infection

 

https://www.dw.com/en/why-are-flu-vaccinated-people-more-resistant-to-covid-19/a-57038866

 

Side 2, no hope:

 

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/is-it-true/is-it-true-will-the-flu-vaccine-protect-me-from-getting-covid-19

 

https://coronavirus.tas.gov.au/keeping-yourself-safe/what-you-can-do/influenza-vaccination

 

Ask yourselves this, are the links in side one conspiracies ?

 

In my opinion the links in side 2 are the governments not wanting to look outside the square and to try something else, only listening to the WHO, CDC and the FDA, now that worries me personally, but that does not make me a conspiracy theorist.

 

https://theconversation.com/until-a-coronavirus-vaccine-is-ready-pneumonia-vaccines-may-reduce-deaths-from-covid-19-147829#:~:text=A recent preprint study (not,brunt of the coronavirus pandemic.

 

https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/can-the-pneumonia-vaccine-protect-against-covid-19/

Well let me start by sayin - you are allowed your own opinion, you're just not allowed your own facts.

You have obviously written this with a pre-determined agenda that all things by all experts should be questioned on the basis that some of it can be wrong so therefore all of it should be under suspicion. This is blatantly not true. All of science works in a very pre-set way, where a hypothosis is ventured, tested and proved or disproved in a very set and peer reviewed way. If there are blatantly wrong they will be found out but it may take time for this to come to light. So in this example, perhaps the flu and pneominia vaccines my prove beneficial in the mitigating of Covid symptoms but equally so, they are not specifically created to combat Covid so the efficiency of them will always be questionable to vacines specifically created for Covid. This is now self-evident with actual vacines having efficiency rates of up to 90%.

The idea that  'We MUST listen to BOTH sides and then, make our OWN minds up as individuals, there is no right or wrong, it's all about perception' is blatantly false in the same way I don't question my accountant, mechanic, doctor or chef in their areas of expertise. I may get a second opinion but if that second opinion backs up the original opinion then I can be sure their knowledge is better than mine and go with their recommendations.

You talk of Dr Fauci, an esteemed physician-scientist and immunologist of some 50 years, who acted as an advisor to every U.S. president since Ronald Reagan and through contributions to HIV/AIDS research and other immunodeficiency diseases was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom as a 'front line puppet' as if the man has purposely misled the American people in some sort of machiavellian plot with a sinister agenda where the reality is he has just given his expert opinion (updated as more information became available) to the benefit of the masses.

There is a very good reason why people are not encouraged to 'listen to anyone outside of the WHO, the CDC and the FDA who have not suggested any other medicines' because that way leads to quakery, misinformation and the exploitation of the gullible. There's no big plot to hide the truth or only push one agenda; the vacine is by far the safest and most reliable way out of this mess and that's a consistent message that should be applauded NOT condemned.

Yes there are two sides to a coin but when that coin lands on heads the other side is irrelevant. And to suggest otherwise can indeed be constued as a conspracy theory which I gather from 'being warned again or being suspended for my views' is something others have pointed out to you before. 

 

[robblok]

22 minutes ago, Keesters said:

 

I agree with you about lies, however is it a lie when said as an opinion. And if lies are to be banned let the politicians, MSM, (so called) experts etc lead by example. Seriously if all those people stopped lying they'd have nothing to say. 

 

There's an old saying "let the buyer beware". Amend that as "let the reader/listener beware". Do not believe anything anybody says or does without doing your own research. If you believe what someone days then don't complain later about it being a lie. That's called taking responsibility for your own actions. Freedom of speech IMO is a fundamental human right. If rooster59 feels it should be curtailed let him step forward and be the first to shut up. 

All the talk about banning and punishing is of course never ever going to happen. Realistically all we can do is making fun of those who have those strange opinions. 

 

But again what is freedom of speech not the freedom to lie. A certain former president has brought destruction with his lies and so many believed him they even stormed the capitol. Should this really be ok.

 

Is it ok if i say your a pedophile (im not saying it its an example) and start posting it on social media. I mean its just my opinion.. freedom of speech and so on.

 

My point is freedom of speech has its limitations.

[johnnybangkok]

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

All the talk about banning and punishing is of course never ever going to happen. Realistically all we can do is making fun of those who have those strange opinions. 

 

But again what is freedom of speech not the freedom to lie. A certain former president has brought destruction with his lies and so many believed him they even stormed the capitol. Should this really be ok.

 

Is it ok if i say your a pedophile (im not saying it its an example) and start posting it on social media. I mean its just my opinion.. freedom of speech and so on.

 

My point is freedom of speech has its limitations.

I agree. Freedom of speach is not freedom from consequences and if you are daft enough to buy into many of the lies that are abound about Covid then that's your perogative BUT you should not be free of the consequences of spreading these lies nor for the damage they can and have done to others.  

[johnnybangkok]

6 minutes ago, purrboat said:

After 6 years of reading and not logging in this ridiculous uneducated shell of a man Rooster forced my hand. The outbreak is caused because of the vaccine. Go back to your science and medical school. Of course you are a believer. A follower. Your writings are painful at best. Now this fear mongering ridiculous post supporting ending free speech. Please accept your little jab 1, 2, 3, 4 or more until your masters tell you it’s enough. Of course after the 2nd your time on this planet will be short. Please take your beloved mRNA deadly gene therapy so we no longer have to read the worst drivel in all of Thailand. Put your little face panty back on and go hide in a closet somewhere.      

'The outbreak is caused because of the vaccine' - what absolute drivel.

No need to comment on the rest of your nonsense.

[sandhurstmolonski]

I don't think there are many deniers , total deniers out there , but difference of opinion certainly , certainly that should never be squashed with legislation , never stop freedoms that's a one way street .

I would argue that nothing has changed in the last year and that Thailand is still doing extremely well ,bodies are hardly dropping in the streets . It's a virus , it was always here , best thing we can do is full out all stops for vaccinations  , and get on with life .

The only other thing I'd add is you can't have healthy asymptomatic using any hospital beds up , they need to be allowed to self isolate .

 

The key stat ..Total deaths all causes , and on this Thailand is a world leader , hence get on with life , keep those at risk safe , and obide by what is required , local business needs you , and we need gyms and pools open for fitness .

 

But nothing has changed , you always need to live with the virus , that's a fact .

[The Hammer2021]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

I have never heard anyone call the covid virus a hoax. 

 

Does anyone have a link?

Conversations don't have links

[Never Been Abroad]

3 hours ago, gunderhill said:

The crime is  this, wanting to make it a  crime. The  slippery slope  to totalitarian rule, no thanks.

Sadly censorship on social media is already becoming automated. 

 

What dystopian nightmare are we heading for? ???? 

 

 

[Derek B]

I am okay with all your comments and observations and understand not thinking it a wise move to enter the boot of your car on entry to a Thai National Park.

The need to seal the Thai land borders is absolute - tourism can wait until all in country have been vaccinated at least twice.

Covid and the like are here to stay globally. Best to get used to it.

[The Hammer2021]

An American President  said that freedom of speech does not  grant people the right to shout: 'Fire!' in a crowded cinema.

[The Hammer2021]

6 minutes ago, Johnnyb2good said:

100% DENIER. Absolutely and unequivocally. 
 

And for the record, also: anti medical tyranny, anti vax,  pro freedom, pro legitimate (not junk) science/data, pro truth.

 

Any questions?

Was the smallpox immunization campaign medical  a tyranny  based on false science?  While this successful  campaign  was being carried  out in the Indian  subcontinent hillbilly antivaxers and flat earthers were spouting their nonsense. The current crisis combined with social media has opened up a pandoras box of corrupted views of damaged people barmy enough to belive in 5G conspracies to pineal gland poking orchestrated by the Illuminata. Start denying that nomesense please

[AKJeff]

I laugh at most of the conspiracy theories.

 

It irritates me when people lump other together without understanding their differences.

 

But this makes me cry.  Ideas like these will bring the death to humanity far easier than any disease.

 

 

[rcuthbert]

Understanding what the Logical Fallacies* are, can not only improve one's writing, but can help one to recognize BS when he hears it.

When a person who questions the validity of an argument has a label attached to him. It usually means that the presenter of the argument lacks the facts to back up his position.

 

* https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/academic_writing/logic_in_argumentative_writing/fallacies.html

[mikebike]

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Isn't it just wondeful that everyone espouse freedom of speach when it's suits their agenda.

I suppose you are happy with complete freedom of speach for everyone so you'll be happy with ISIS, the KKK, paedophiles and every and all other individuals to enjoy the same freedoms? Yeah, thought not.

Misinformation is a real problem and at it's worse causes death and misery. No one is saying we should be limiting our hard fought for freedoms but a sensible approach to the VERY serious problem of mailcous and deliberate misinformation is just as essential as keeping things transparent and open.

Lives are at stake and if it requires the odd draconian law then so be it.  
 

The cure to misinformation is EDUCATION. Not limiting free speach. 

[sandyf]

The OP has failed to mention that it is also a year ago that the leader of the self proclaimed "greatest nation on earth" gave us the "solution" to covid. 

[mikebike]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

I agree that there should be freedom of speech but is that the same as freedom to lie ?

 

Especially if those lies put others in danger.

 

Its a slippery slope but those "village idiots" eh i mean covid deniers are influencing other people and making people break the rules thus endangering others.

 

Like Rooster said, there are still people denying the holocaust, we all know that it happend why should they be allowed to lie about it. That is not freedom of speech or a different opinion. That is a lie. Same goes for many covid deniers. Sure you can have some remarks about the finer points and efficiancy but that is it.

 

Also those anti vaxers were talking about how many people would die.. i believe close to or over 1 billion vaccinated already. Where are all the people that are dropping dead.. or growing a third arm (you know it messes with your DNA is one of those claims).

Sure there have been deaths, but that happens with all medicine. As long as the cure is not much more lethal then the disease its a moot point. But it has to be said the number of deaths because of vaccination are miniscule compared to the number of vaccinations. Now compare that to covid deaths.

 

Its time that antivaxers and covid deniers are called what they are the fruitcakes (and that is naming it nicely)

 

Hopping from one theory to an other each time forgetting that their previous theories have been debunked. Never looking back at their track record and thinking that they might be wrong. People should look down onto these strange people.

 

I am still amazed because some of those people are actually not stupid, some are even smart. Then again religious people are the same so i should not be so surprised. Some people just can't accept logic and the truth if it does not conform to their opinion.

 

Everyone hates this virus and wants it to be over, the efforts of anti vaxers and covid deniers are making this harder.

 

Maybe those caught doing it should be made to work at a hospital among covid patients. Then they can explain to those patients how they are not sick and that they are not dying from the disease but from their other health conditions. I am sure that would be a fun conversation.

 

 

This post should be banned. He LIED in it. ???????????? Are you serious? You're gonna punish "liars"... well that slope ain't well greased at all... ????