1 minute ago, JIMHILL said:

Virus infections cant be stopped by lockdowns, only slowed down.  however this slowing down, gives time to the virus to naturally mutate which in turn slows the development of so called; herd immunity, which is the real answer to controlling the virus

I think you are unclear on the concept...

8 minutes ago, bobbin said:

Please, no Facebook links.. Many of us are not using Facebook. (choice)

 

Or add a synopsis. That will do.

 

2 hours ago, Curt1591 said:

One might think that with a "lockdown" they might just shut down incoming disease infested foreigners altogether ... 

How about disease infected THAIS who do not need a neg. test 72 hour before flying in.

2 minutes ago, JIMHILL said:

Virus infections cant be stopped by lockdowns, only slowed down.  however this slowing down, gives time to the virus to naturally mutate which in turn slows the development of so called; herd immunity, which is the real answer to controlling the virus

It's been proven we'll never reach herd immunity naturally. 

 

Lockdowns are only one part of a strategy to deal with the virus.  But it's a critical part when necessary.

1 minute ago, 10baht said:

How about disease infected THAIS who do not need a neg. test 72 hour before flying in.

New here, heh?

2 minutes ago, JIMHILL said:

Virus infections cant be stopped by lockdowns, only slowed down.  however this slowing down, gives time to the virus to naturally mutate which in turn slows the development of so called; herd immunity, which is the real answer to controlling the virus

Flattening the curve, which is the purpose of a lockdown, slows mutations by reducing the number of mutations. Although time is a factor in emergence of mutations, having zillions of host bodies which are laboratories for mutations is more significant.

 

As for herd immunity, it should be reached via vaccinations, not naturally. Think of how herd immunity was reached for Polio, not the Black Death.

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

It's been proven we'll never reach herd immunity naturally. 

 

 

We could reach herd immunity naturally, if you don’t mind losing millions of lives.

 

I can see some posters here would make bad physicians, with their “let them die, as long as the pub is open” approach.

1 hour ago, PatOngo said:

While the country being locked down is imminent, the clowns running this debacle should be locked up!

 

 

I agree but unfortunately we can't lock up those that have made themselves above the law, and use the law to stifle dissent and criticism of themselves.

 

Reasons not to have a coup for dum dums #3421

2 hours ago, Thailand said:

There will not be a coup ----!

Let's hope that radical loons do not view this crisis as an opportunity...

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The rumor du jour is that the government is going to extend quarantine for all incoming Farangs to 14 days again. There is a Reuters report that claims its a done deal. No fun.

 

And that will do absolutely zero to reduce the community spread that the country is experiencing at the moment - and which was started by local parties.

Not allowing vaccinated tourists into the country doesn't help the situation. 

2 hours ago, colinneil said:

Too late for a lockdown, the virus is everywhere, due to the stupidity of people travelling for songkran, and Prayuts mob for allowing it to happen.

 

Couldn't agree more. 

11 minutes ago, 10baht said:

How about disease infected THAIS who do not need a neg. test 72 hour before flying in.

All arrivals (by air) are quarantined..

1 hour ago, Blumpie said:

Did anyone read that people are not getting equal access to health care and are dying because of it?  

Not surprising.

 

No. Why not point us in the direction you read it. Don't keep it to yourself. 

6 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Flattening the curve, which is the purpose of a lockdown, slows mutations by reducing the number of mutations. Although time is a factor in emergence of mutations, having zillions of host bodies which are laboratories for mutations is more significant.

 

As for herd immunity, it should be reached via vaccinations, not naturally. Think of how herd immunity was reached for Polio, not the Black Death.

Extending the duration of a pandemic gives more time for mutations to occur.

the number of hosts is fixed (total population) - it does not really matter when they are infected.  it just might make a difference when the mutation happens.  If there is no vaccination to protect people during the time we are creating, the pandemic will just drag on longer. 

the concept of flattening the curve was to buy time to get the medical facilities upgraded and maybe come up with an effective vaccine.  The first was in our control, the second a hope and dream.. 

Most countries failed on the first part - we have the vaccine, but distribution is a mess in the majority of the world

1 hour ago, madmen said:

I will be vaccined today in home country no lockdowns and life back to normal. I've been waiting for a window to go back to Thailand but even vaccinated why would I an expat or any tourist want to fly into a country with so much chaos. 

No thanks Im happy right were I am for the near future. 

Well done , jolly good for you , thank you for your comment . 

3 hours ago, webfact said:

The group also recommends that the government lift the mandate requiring any hospital detecting a new case to admit the patient. It said the order is impractical, resulting in too many people waiting for beds.

This is the nub of the problem...does ANY other country require this?

1 hour ago, madmen said:

I will be vaccined today in home country no lockdowns and life back to normal. I've been waiting for a window to go back to Thailand but even vaccinated why would I an expat or any tourist want to fly into a country with so much chaos. 

No thanks Im happy right were I am for the near future. 

 

And I'm happy for you. Please stay away as long as possible. 

18 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

This is an excellent video to watch.  IMHO, a must watch for all in Thailand.

 

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/videos/361749831937398/

This is a good informational video.  The Line App discussed notes that a 13 digit Thai I.D number is required.  Let’s hope there’s a version that allows for foreigners to enter their passport numbers!

This is all just the result of virtually no testing for a long period of time... Now they are reporting a few thousand per day... wonder what the numbers would be if they actually started doing an adequate amount of tests. So far there still seems to be a lot of "If we close our eyes, the problems will dissappear" attitude... 

10 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

We could reach herd immunity naturally, if you don’t mind losing millions of lives.

 

I can see some posters here would make bad physicians, with their “let them die, as long as the pub is open” approach.

Millions of lives lost?  Less than 1% actual mortality rate - per WHO it is 0.23%.  It will take 50 million in Thailand to reach herd immunity naturally.  You can do the math

2 hours ago, smedly said:

been saying it for weeks that this is flawed

 

only the sick should be admitted to health facilities - those asymptomatic should be self isolating at home - they will have no other choice as the numbers increase

Agree to a certain extent. Never should have forced asymptomatic or those with mild cases into hospital in the first place. Flawed concept.

48 minutes ago, SwampyThai said:

Somehow I can't see the average Thai, after being told by trained medical staff, to self isolate at home. Day 1, I don't feel ill, Day 2 I don't feel ill, Day 3 I don't feel ill I will go to the market then to a friend's house and play cards for 7 hours.

They can't be bothered to wear a crash helmet for 10 minutes so how the hell are they going to stay 'isolated' at home 24/7? Thailalaland ????????

actually I do not agree with you, from my experience Thais generally conform very well to what they are told to do - especially when it is something that actually makes sense and is reasonable - the latter would apply to most people in most countries although some exceptions do exist - like India for example 

Lock it up!, lock it up now!, close the airports, curfews!, or face the inevitable. 

7 minutes ago, Miami007 said:

Millions of lives lost?  Less than 1% actual mortality rate - per WHO it is 0.23%.  It will take 50 million in Thailand to reach herd immunity naturally.  You can do the math

There are no major countries with mortality rates that low. The UK is 1.8%, for example. To reach herd immunity there without vaccination would cost over a million lives.

 

But it gets worse. At some point, the hospitals fill up, and sick people who can’t get a bed start to die in large numbers, including roadway accident victims.

 

Either you haven’t thought this through, or you are a cheerleader for the Grim Reaper.

42 minutes ago, Ventenio said:

IF IF they only listened to the experts of TVF!!

 

i can't take any replies on here too seriously.  lol

Including the governments replies in the papers or media for that matter.

13 minutes ago, farang098 said:

This is all just the result of virtually no testing for a long period of time... Now they are reporting a few thousand per day... wonder what the numbers would be if they actually started doing an adequate amount of tests. So far there still seems to be a lot of "If we close our eyes, the problems will dissappear" attitude... 

according to the official numbers, over 50,000 lab tests are performed every day.

17 minutes ago, Tracyb said:

This is a good informational video.  The Line App discussed notes that a 13 digit Thai I.D number is required.  Let’s hope there’s a version that allows for foreigners to enter their passport numbers!

I think I saw where the Thai national can also add another person.  I'm having my wife take a peek at this now.

It's quite bizarre that I have to quarantine in a country that's far more unsafe than my own. Thanks but no thanks.

Lockdowns just exacerbate the issue and encourage all forms of other problems. Depression, job losses, spousal abuse, suicide, substance abuse and another economic meltdown. People can’t take much more of this and the Prayut regime already has a country, whose populace is prone to superstition, scared witless. Follow Sweden, Florida and a number of other places that treat folks like adults. Finally, how about a robust vaccination program—stop dithering with this!

14 minutes ago, farang098 said:

This is all just the result of virtually no testing for a long period of time... Now they are reporting a few thousand per day... wonder what the numbers would be if they actually started doing an adequate amount of tests. So far there still seems to be a lot of "If we close our eyes, the problems will dissappear" attitude... 

You don't follow the news very closely do you.  It's got nothing to do with testing.  And everything to do with those who violated the safety procedures for this virus.  Not to mention crossing the border illegally.