Thailand’s prime minister asked to reconsider another national lockdown

[Jeffr2]

25 minutes ago, smedly said:

I understand it to be more like 13k tests per day - the UK does one million tests per day

They're doing 50k tests a day now.  About, on average.

 

https://github.com/djay/covidthailand/#tests-per-confirmed-case

[brianthainess]

3 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

Cheer up some boxes with vaccines probably coming in November/December.

What year?

[Tech65]

" It also said that people do not have equal access to treatment, and some are paying for that with their lives."

Ops, it is new that in Thailand people do not get health care, not only for covid, the very least, but also for all the other pathologies.

 

Yes true, let's  lockdown everything, then instead of 11 people dead for covid (perhaps covid) there will be thousands dying for suicide, poverty and rubbery.

Last year India has gone through one of the longest lockdown in Asia, they started the vaccination campaign four months ago and you know what now? they are in the middle of the worst mess ever. Much worse  then countries that have done almost nothing.

 

 

 

[Percy P]

4 minutes ago, Niteowl45 said:

Well, one can't dream.... but actually most posts in this thread were fairly realistic about the current situation and certainly didn't ask for any of those things.

In fact, I'd say that many posts here make a lot more sense than anything done so far by the corrupt, incompetent, inbred leaders of this country.

For example, the whole idea of putting asymptomatic carriers in hospitals is just about the most idiotic thing I've ever heard of. Telling people to travel and spend money to support the economy in the middle of a third wave is also idiotic.

Many posters here (not all) would have certainly done a better job than the morons running the country.

 

As per your list of points, I will say that they're a funny exaggeration but as said before one can dream. If those are silly fantasies, however, it doesn't change the fact that prices of all of the above have been inching closer to western world levels, even though Thailand still has what most people would essentially defined as a third world country infrastructure and services (unless you're a connected hiso). I've seen properties now listed at prices that would look exorbitant in North America (not famous for its cheap real estate). In other words, it is getting to the point where going to Thailand is not worth it anymore, so good luck to them with their hopes of reviving tourism (although at least the baht has finally started going down) and their idiotic dreams of attracting millionaire retirees.

 

There are many smart things they could do. They could, for example, simplify visas so that people who work online, becoming more plentiful by the minute, could live there. Sure, they might not bring the millions the hisos need to find enough morons to buy their overpriced real estate or state in their super-expensive, and yet little more than glorified <deleted>holes, resorts, but they'd still bring money from abroad and create more job opportunities (not only for prostitution) with very little in terms of possible drawbacks...

The list could go on and on... in short, those dimwits couldn't think their way out of a paper bag so good luck to Thailand[ with leaders like these they're gong to need lots of it. The country is sinking and somnomna to those morons, but I do feel really bad for the many normal, really nice Thai people who will suffer through it all. We should really ramp up our efforts to save more ladies and bring them to the west instead of wasting our time trying to live in a place about to implode.

The value of the Baht has not fallen. Its foreign currencies that have increased in value giving you more money.

[shackleton]

The Government now need to have a complete lockdown for a month for the whole of the Country 

No travelling over the future holidays in May unless a emergency 

Requirement 

But probably won't happen as will be left up to the Provincial Governors again 

 

[smedly]

22 minutes ago, berrec said:

So many golf courses have closed down for 14 days in addition to other businesses,  what financial COVID support are the government planning to support these out of work Thai people.

 

Interesting you should say that, I get the distinct impression there is something fundamentally wrong with this countries claimed financial status, they seem so reluctant to spend money in this emergency situation, maybe they don't have it and have been stealing and lying through their teeth these last 4 years.

 

They claim they have billions in foreign reserves (more than any country should hold), they refuse to touch it as it would dilute the baht and devalue, we had the circus last year of the governor of the BOT resigning and shortly after the new governor resigning several weeks after he took up the post, then they had trouble from there filling the post - something really stinks about that whole circus.

 

Now when they need to be spending money they don't seem to want to spend it - maybe they don't actually have it. This constant  focus on tourism seems to me to be a panic attempt to get money flowing in at any cost 

[foreverlomsak]

4 hours ago, Thailand said:

There will not be a coup ----!

funny feeling I've heard this before somewhere

 

[Danderman123]

11 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

What is your orange line supposed to signify?  Is it scientific evidence? ????

Sorry, it’s the approximate date of the lockdown.

[Jeffr2]

9 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Thanks.  Yes, I'm catching up!  The original declaration and the responses to it all appear to be from 2020.  Are there more up-to-date articles, either pro GBD or against, that can benefit from the experience of lockdowns since 2020? I'm looking! 

Nuff said.  They're even retracting what they said.

 

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/940637

Great Barrington Coauthor Backs Off Strict Reliance on Herd Immunity

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Miami007 said:

Millions of lives lost?  Less than 1% actual mortality rate - per WHO it is 0.23%.  It will take 50 million in Thailand to reach herd immunity naturally.  You can do the math

Why do you think that there is a 1% mortality rate as you quoted, its because of all the measures that have been put in place to suppress it, including lockdowns, without them there would have already been millions more deaths.

[Bkk Brian]

51 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

according to the official numbers, over 50,000 lab tests are performed every day.

correct but that includes repeat tests, as stated in the documentation of the file

[Danderman123]

10 minutes ago, Tech65 said:

" It also said that people do not have equal access to treatment, and some are paying for that with their lives."

Ops, it is new that in Thailand people do not get health care, not only for covid, the very least, but also for all the other pathologies.

 

Yes true, let's  lockdown everything, then instead of 11 people dead for covid (perhaps covid) there will be thousands dying for suicide, poverty and rubbery.

Last year India has gone through one of the longest lockdown in Asia, they started the vaccination campaign four months ago and you know what now? they are in the middle of the worst mess ever. Much worse  then countries that have done almost nothing.

 

Actually, India had a short but effective lockdown, and then unlocked over a long period of time. 
 

 

[smedly]

22 minutes ago, RobMuir said:

With millions around the world now infected with the UK strain

that is like pointing the finger at the UK which is incorrect, the strain was discovered in the UK because they have extensive means to discover such things - arguably the best in the world, did it actually originate in the UK - nobody can say for sure, what we do know is that variants (mutations) are popping up all over the world, lets not for get the fact that the original virus cane out of China ..................................... either accidently or on purpose - the jury is still out on that one, I have my own thoughts 

[Mywayboy]

4 hours ago, mark131v said:

You know the wheels are starting to come off when you get burgeoning criticism from the Doctors and medical staff at the pointy end...

 

Multiple different news reports from medics stating that people are dying and the system is failing, unfortunately I fear things are gonna get much worse

He doesnt give a RATS sitting in his Ivory CASTLE with his CHUMS.

[Bkk Brian]

15 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

They're doing 50k tests a day now.  About, on average.

 

https://github.com/djay/covidthailand/#tests-per-confirmed-case

The latest they have is from the 17th April and those include repeat tests. Actual people tested yesterday was 13,900

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1214983-thailand-reports-2438-coronavirus-cases-daily-record-of-11-deaths/page/9/?tab=comments#comment-16417206

 

[Jeffr2]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why do you think that there is a 1% mortality rate as you quoted, its because of all the measures that have been put in place to suppress it, including lockdowns, without them there would have already been millions more deaths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_by_country

As of 30 November 2020, Yemen has the highest case fatality rate at 28.3%, while Singapore has the lowest at 0.05%.^[1] Note that case fatality rates reported below may not reflect the underlying fatality rate due to wide regional and temporal differences in policies around testing and reporting of deaths.

[EricTh]

4 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

If they want to reduce the daily increase of Covid cases just go back to no testing.

It's silly to have testing when you don't have any symptoms.

 

The current wave was found because people had fever and cough and breathing difficulties.

 

I doubt infected people won't have any symptoms after 14 days of incubation, the virus is nasty and won't sit around your body doing nothing like you implied.

Edited April 26, 2021 by EricTh

[Jeffr2]

9 minutes ago, EricTh said:

It's silly to have testing when you don't have any symptoms.

 

The current wave was found because people had fever and cough and breathing difficulties.

 

I doubt infected people won't have any symptoms after 14 days of incubation, the virus is nasty and won't sit around your body doing nothing like you implied.

Silly?  You are aware of asymptomatic carriers, right?  Seems not....

[Johnny English]

Had a unique opportunity to get people vaccinated early but have failed.now they will pay a high price,is it the fact that it has to be given free that offends them?

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, EricTh said:

It's silly to have testing when you don't have any symptoms.

 

The current wave was found because people had fever and cough and breathing difficulties.

 

I doubt infected people won't have any symptoms after 14 days of incubation, the virus is nasty and won't sit around your body doing nothing like you implied.

Testing is the number one tool to combat the virus, without it everything else that follows is playing catch up to contain the pandemic.

[bobbin]

23 minutes ago, Tech65 said:

" It also said that people do not have equal access to treatment, and some are paying for that with their lives."

Ops, it is new that in Thailand people do not get health care, not only for covid, the very least, but also for all the other pathologies.

 

Yes true, let's  lockdown everything, then instead of 11 people dead for covid (perhaps covid) there will be thousands dying for suicide, poverty and rubbery.

Last year India has gone through one of the longest lockdown in Asia, they started the vaccination campaign four months ago and you know what now? they are in the middle of the worst mess ever. Much worse  then countries that have done almost nothing.

 

 

 

Gee, I think you missed a few details..

 

The lockdown actually was effective, so effective in fact that Modi got complacent and allowed local elections (with attendent campaigning sans masks) to go ahead..

 

Then there is that little matter of allowing the Kumb Mela to take place. That's that Hindu religious festival which occurs every 4 years and attracts millions (yes millions of people in close proximity)....

 

And as a history buff, it always annoys me when people cherry-pick the starting point in time to suit their agenda..

 

An analogy would be like looking at a cropped photo while ignoring the complete picture..

[Tech65]

4 minutes ago, bobbin said:

Gee, I think you missed a few details..

 

The lockdown actually was effective, so effective in fact that Modi got complacent and allowed local elections (with attendent campaigning sans masks) to go ahead..

 

Then there is that little matter of allowing the Kumb Mela to take place. That's that Hindu religious festival which occurs every 4 years and attracts millions (yes millions of people in close proximity)....

 

And as a history buff, it always annoys me when people cherry-pick the starting point in time to suit their agenda..

 

An analogy would be like looking at a cropped photo while ignoring the complete picture..

Are you saying that lockdowns have proven to work?

[sandhurstmolonski]

4 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

If they want to reduce the daily increase of Covid cases just go back to no testing.

   Spot on ,people are trying to convince themselves something has changed , nothing has changed , pointless testing to find "cases " , virtually no one is dieing ,nothing has changed .

Lockdowns don't work ! Make the vaccine the priority , and I certainly agree with part B , you cannot admit every case , impossible .

  The rest of life just continues on as it always did , it's nothing new , was always here , plus now allergy season , you will get false positives from a test that was never fit for purpose .

[Jeffr2]

10 minutes ago, smedly said:

it's even sillier to say such a thing

 

infected people with no symptoms still spread the virus more than those that know they have it

 

what an idiotic thing to say

Boggles my mind how people can have these thoughts.  I don't get it.

 

Great reply.

[Thomas J]

Another lockdown and more stringent measures will control the spread of the virus - Maybe? and to what extent.  Another lockdown, more stringent measures to control the virus will kill the economy and those whose incomes are dependent on it - 100% certainty.  

The world is going to have to learn to "live with" the virus.  It is here and thinking that lockdown, masks, hand sanitizers etc will eradicate it is just wishful thinking.  The world has had the flu, HIV, Malaria, TB etc for decades some for centuries and they still rear their ugly head and flare up.  The vaccines will help but even then there is little guarantee like the flu, the virus does not mutate and the cycle of infection starts again. 

 

[Ginner]

5 hours ago, Curt1591 said:

 

Why didn't these MIDECAL EXPERTS advised him against opening up the exodus over SongKhran? The irony is the new surge in infections is being called the SongKhran spike. Most people i spoke to, Thais and foreigners , were all of the same opinion........get ready for a lot more infections.

 

[Tech65]

30 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Actually, India had a short but effective lockdown, and then unlocked over a long period of time. 
 

 

Ok, agree, then they should have lock the country down for much longer, perhaps forever? have you been in India?

[Tech65]

1 minute ago, Thomas J said:

Another lockdown and more stringent measures will control the spread of the virus - Maybe? and to what extent.  Another lockdown, more stringent measures to control the virus will kill the economy and those whose incomes are dependent on it - 100% certainty.  

The world is going to have to learn to "live with" the virus.  It is here and thinking that lockdown, masks, hand sanitizers etc will eradicate it is just wishful thinking.  The world has had the flu, HIV, Malaria, TB etc for decades some for centuries and they still rear their ugly head and flare up.  The vaccines will help but even then there is little guarantee like the flu, the virus does not mutate and the cycle of infection starts again. 

 

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[Tech65]

2 minutes ago, Ginner said:

Why didn't these MIDECAL EXPERTS advised him against opening up the exodus over SongKhran? The irony is the new surge in infections is being called the SongKhran spike. Most people i spoke to, Thais and foreigners , were all of the same opinion........get ready for a lot more infections.

 

To create more infections and then ask to lock the all thing down?

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, Tech65 said:

Ok, agree, then they should have lock the country down for much longer, perhaps forever? have you been in India?

Yes. I have been to India.

 

you really don’t know how to manage an epidemic after all this time?

 

But, let’s give you something different to chew on: what would you do differently than the current leadership in Brazil, in order to save lives?