7 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Another lockdown and more stringent measures will control the spread of the virus - Maybe? and to what extent.  Another lockdown, more stringent measures to control the virus will kill the economy and those whose incomes are dependent on it - 100% certainty.  

The world is going to have to learn to "live with" the virus.  It is here and thinking that lockdown, masks, hand sanitizers etc will eradicate it is just wishful thinking.  The world has had the flu, HIV, Malaria, TB etc for decades some for centuries and they still rear their ugly head and flare up.  The vaccines will help but even then there is little guarantee like the flu, the virus does not mutate and the cycle of infection starts again. 

 

Nope. Flatten the curve until everyone is vaccinated.
 

you cannot live with the virus, you can only die with it.

3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Just saw this video.  A must watch for all here in Thailand.

 

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/videos/361749831937398/

As expected I would have thought , sooner the better 

1 minute ago, Tech65 said:

Are you saying that lockdowns have proven to work?

Absolutely. As one part of an overall strategy to deal with the virus.  It's only a part though.

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Yes. I have been to India.

 

you really don’t know how to manage an epidemic after all this time?

 

But, let’s give you something different to chew on: what would you do differently than the current leadership in Brazil, in order to save lives?

 

Ok you have been to India. How many people die for starvation, various infections, pathologies every hour? How many people live on daily salaries? They are not reach and fat as we are. 

Same as Barzil.

Something to chew on.

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Nope. Flatten the curve until everyone is vaccinated.

And when everyone is vaccinated and you find that the virus like the flu, like the common cold just mutated, then what? 

 

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

Absolutely. As one part of an overall strategy to deal with the virus.  It's only a part though.

Ok I agree. But I hope you can also agree that locking down fat reach people in Germany Italy or UK is not the same as India or Thailand, can't you?

And will he listen, of course. Call Anutin, set up a panel and promise a decision next month. 

the only way to stop such a virus is a widely taken vaccine. ... effective vaccine ... to me, this is the only answer. inject about 2 million a day quickly. then there is a good chance it will go away. 

 

20 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

And when everyone is vaccinated and you find that the virus like the flu, like the common cold just mutated, then what? 

 

The flat curve thank to vaccine is temporary. The effect of the protection seems to be indicated in 6 months. Then? And what if the virus  mutates?

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Nope. Flatten the curve until everyone is vaccinated.
 

you cannot live with the virus, you can only die with it.

 You can live with the virus ..

Nearly 40 % can't even get it , they don't know why , and this does not take into account asymptomatic .

 

Those with prexisting conditions and obese ,may choose to self regulate . Lockdowns don't work , they assist no one , suicide rate is up 25 % from a high base already .

 

The virus is not going anywhere , live with the virus , and ensure speedy vaccinations , get on with life .

Nothing has changed in the last 3 weeks , was always here . Functional immunes require exposure .

Exactly the same reasoning as to why you can only catch golden staf in a hospital . Never be so afraid to die , so that one is scared to live .

I thought lockdowns were supposed to stop the health services being 'overwhelmed'.  They won't actually stop the virus spreading.  

9 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

And when everyone is vaccinated and you find that the virus like the flu, like the common cold just mutated, then what? 

 

Thats what vaccine boosters are for, same as flu boosters

18 minutes ago, Tech65 said:

Best Comment

  Agreed ..best comment .

It's the only way to approach , lockdowns kill in multiple ways .

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I thought lockdowns were supposed to stop the health services being 'overwhelmed'.  They won't actually stop the virus spreading.  

They stop the health services being overwhelmed because they contain and slow the virus spreading

3 minutes ago, Tech65 said:

The flat curve thank to vaccine is teporary. The effect of the protection seems to be indicated in 6 months. Then? And what if the virus  mutates?

Reasonable precautions are just that.  History shows that diseases mutate.  Despite decades of vaccines against the flu, 9% of the world gets the flu each year.  The world is going to have to "learn to" go about its business each day with the Covid 19 virus co-existing with us.  The notion that somehow if we just hide inside our homes for a few months that the virus will be eradicated is just nonsense.  As soon as you resume normal activities, the someone with the virus will start to spread it again, and the cycle will start over. 

 

1 minute ago, sandhurstmolonski said:

  Agreed ..best comment .

It's the only way to approach , lockdowns kill in multiple ways .

The virus does to and kills millions more than any lockdown, by the way, the lockdowns and the other measures such as masks and social distancing also save lives from other airborne viruses such as the flu

 It doesn’t matter if they lockdown or not -- this pandemic will continue for a couple more years because most people are already infected or incubating the virus, so infections and deaths will continue.
It will stop in some point, eventually, like any other past plague.
The reason why I am saying this is because can you see even after the vaccines have been rolled out, there wasn't any apparent improvement to reduce the symptoms from spreading.
Unless they found real solution for this symptom, like a drug to kill this virus from those infected patients, instead of giving a placebo that contains no active ingredient for those who are not infected, which doesn’t really help except that the vaccines maker is making a lot of profit from the product that isn't actually effective.
So forget about opening the country to the world any time soon..

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Thats what vaccine boosters are for, same as flu boosters

Yes and on average 9% of the world gets the flu each year. Will the vaccines help - yes. But will they entirely prevent the disease - not likely and until the new strain is identified and a new vaccine is formulated, produced and the world reinoculated the disease will just spread again.  Just exactly like the flu does each and every year. 

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Thats what vaccine boosters are for, same as flu boosters

 booster after booster.

Wouldn't be simpler to implement therapeutics and treat with medicines and oxygen the people infected? We know it works.

7 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Yes and on average 9% of the world gets the flu each year. Will the vaccines help - yes. But will they entirely prevent the disease - not likely and until the new strain is identified and a new vaccine is formulated, produced and the world reinoculated the disease will just spread again.  Just exactly like the flu does each and every year. 

Well explained, easy to understand.

3 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Yes and on average 9% of the world gets the flu each year. Will the vaccines help - yes. But will they entirely prevent the disease - not likely and until the new strain is identified and a new vaccine is formulated, produced and the world reinoculated the disease will just spread again.  Just exactly like the flu does each and every year. 

Your assuming the new variants will always be stronger each time that is not necessarily the case.

 

However I do believe we will have to live with it forever, the first step is to contain it, in tandem with the mass vaccinations of the whole world. Then its dealt with without need for large lockdowns, possibly a sporadic outbreak here or there but dealt with quickly.

 

The world will go on with just another virus in the background.

 

But not yet, we're not at that stage yet, we need to avoid further millions of deaths first.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Tech65 said:

 booster after booster.

Wouldn't be simpler to implement therapeutics and treat with medicines and oxygen the people infected? We know it works.

Yes of course, therapeutics will improve over time and may avoid the need for boosters, lets hope so.

22 minutes ago, ebean001 said:

 inject about 2 million a day quickly. then there is a good chance it will go away. 

 

How do you propose to do that? I read somewhere they just about managed 10,000 per day

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Yes of course, therapeutics will improve over time and may avoid the need for boosters, lets hope so.

the only worry here is that Big Pharma will concentrate to vaccines for billions of people (multiple shots forever)  instead of theurapeutics for few milions. 

38 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

One of dozens of articles about this.  It's dangerous. 

 

https://theconversation.com/5-failings-of-the-great-barrington-declarations-dangerous-plan-for-covid-19-natural-herd-immunity-148975

 

5 failings of the Great Barrington Declaration’s dangerous plan for COVID-19 natural herd immunity

On March 18th, the Great Barrington triad appeared in a 2-hour roundtable with Florida governor DeSantis televised locally. Among other things, they dissed mask-wearing by children. After the TV station put this discussion up on YouTube, it was removed as "misinformation".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/04/09/desantis-youtube-coronavirus/

After that Bhattacharya, one of the Great Barrington pushers, put an op-ed in WSJ to complain about being censored!!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/masks-for-children-muzzles-for-covid-19-news-11618329981

In one discussion on TVF, someone put up a count of Great Barrington signers, around 800,000 citizens and 7200 professionals, including "Dr. Person Fakename" as noted in Washington Post article above. The reason for such a response is that Great Barrington was popularized on Fox News.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/herd-immunity-bhattacharya-atlas-barrington

5 hours ago, Thailand said:

There will not be a coup ----!

Another “NEW” coup!

Just now, Tech65 said:

the only worry here is that Big Pharma will concentrate to vaccines for billions of people (multiple shots forever)  instead of theurapeutics for few milions. 

There are plenty of good programs out there doing great work on theraputic but no doubt big pharma will also be involved in those, its all win win for them at the end of the day, not at all ethical in my opinion but thats the way it is.

 

Even if you buy VIT D its likely come from a big pharma licenced reseller unless you really seek out alternatives.

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

There are plenty of good programs out there doing great work on theraputic but no doubt big pharma will also be involved in those, its all win win for them at the end of the day, not at all ethical in my opinion but thats the way it is.

 

Even if you buy VIT D its likely come from a big pharma licenced reseller unless you really seek out alternatives.

Ok I kinda do not agree, but I hope you are right.

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your assuming the new variants will always be stronger each time that is not necessarily the case.

Not stronger, different.  Some years the flu is more prevalent and has a higher mortality rate, others lower  If vaccines were truly effective 9% of the world would not get the flu each year.  Even assuming Covid is less likely to spread than the flu, if 1% of the world gets Covid that is 77 million people.  Can common sense measures be employed, and those most at risk take extra precautions yes.  However thinking that just a few more months of lockdowns is the solution is foolhardy.  It is 100% certain that the economy already weak will cause long term harm to millions of people with the likelihood being that once the lock down ends that the virus will start the cycle of spreading again.  

 

Just get the vaccines. You may all laugh but if we can get our hands on the Sputnik vaccine I'll take it without hesitation. Got UK mates in Moscow who've taken it. The most effective of all out there with a 93% efficacy rate. Govt is dumb as admitting all these asymptomatic people to hospital. They should all isolate at home, leaving the beds for the really sick. Pathetic govt.. Really useless. This can all be under control within 3 months if we roll out the vaccine now.