SURVEY: Should Thailand mandate vaccination?

[Scott]

With cases ticking upward, one province has indicated that everyone must register for a vaccine by May 31 or face a possible month in jail and a 10,000 baht fine.   Although this doesn't state that people will be forced to actually take the vaccine, in your opinion do you believe that the Thai government should mandate vaccines.   Chose the option that best expresses your opinion on the subject.

 

Please feel free to leave a comment.

[herfiehandbag]

Why not mandate it?

 

After all, it worked with wearing crash helmets on motorcycles and seatbelts in cars...

[RotBenz8888]

3 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Why not mandate it?

 

After all, it worked with wearing crash helmets on motorcycles and seatbelts in cars...

Did it? 

[herfiehandbag]

3 minutes ago, RotBenz8888 said:

Did it? 

Check your irony filters...

[Ralf001]

It is completely wrong to mandate anyone to take a vaccine against their will.

[Jingthing]

Mandates no.

Incentives yes.

But I think mandates are OK for private business.

For example if you're going to work for us in this particular job role then you must.

The person has the choice to not work there.

 

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Jingthing

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Mandates no.

Incentives yes.

But I think mandates are OK for private business.

For example if you're going to work for us in this particular job role then you must.

The person has the choice to not work there.

 

 

100% my thoughts too.. nice post.

[Rampant Rabbit]

There should be an addition whereby not having the vaccine you sign a waiver that if you get covid that any  treatment  will not be free.

Edited May 16, 2021 by Rampant Rabbit

[Ralf001]

12 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

There should be an addition whereby not having the vaccine you sign a waiver that if you get covid that any  treatment  will not be free.

 

 

I don't think treatment for a foreigner is free anyways is it ?

[Nojohndoe]

Pro's and con's to the concept. But in the event of an adverse reaction requiring costly medical intervention or culminating in death at , would a caveat of acceptance of liability fall on those dictating such a mandate? Liability for such adverse events have already been waived for the manufacturers (apparently) under the terms of "emergency use only".

If a compulsory mandate was introduced what if a vaccine recipient declined to sign any acceptance form for such a procedure.

While the threat may have some impact I believe enforcing it could precipitate some complex legal issues.

[Brunolem]

As far as I know, no country in the world has mandated Covid vaccination, and that includes all the totalitarian regimes.

 

Why exactly should Thailand inflict upon its population what no other country has done?

 

In every country, there is a sizeable number of pro-covid vaccination (fanatics) who are vaccinated and thus protected from the virus, but who won't be satisfied as long as everyone else won't get their shots.

 

Why are they so hell bent into forcing everyone to be safe from the Covid virus, but not from, say, the dangers of smoking or of eating junk food, is a mystery.

 

Why not mandate the suppression of everything that is dangerous for humans? Why focus only on the Covid virus?

[Boomer6969]

I voted 1, but only because my preferred option ins't available. I believe that, after a sensible deadline, access to services (government, bank, ATM, 7/11, markets) should be denied to unvaccinated people. Under Thailand's current plans  this should probably be announced, right now, as of November 1. 

 

So people are given a choice, but would have to send their gardener to get cash from the ATM if they chose to stay unprotected.

Edited May 16, 2021 by Boomer6969

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Brunolem said:

As far as I know, no country in the world has mandated Covid vaccination, and that includes all the totalitarian regimes.

 

Why exactly should Thailand inflict upon its population what no other country has done?

 

In every country, there is a sizeable number of pro-covid vaccination (fanatics) who are vaccinated and thus protected from the virus, but who won't be satisfied as long as everyone else won't get their shots.

 

Why are they so hell bent into forcing everyone to be safe from the Covid virus, but not from, say, the dangers of smoking or of eating junk food, is a mystery.

 

Why not mandate the suppression of everything that is dangerous for humans? Why focus only on the Covid virus?

Because it is very contagious. 

[Nojohndoe]

Back in August 2020 the Australian PM voiced an intention to make it mandatory but on medical advice back tracked on that idea to instead support "incentives".

[androokery]

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

It is completely wrong to mandate anyone to take a vaccine against their will.

This is presumably based on the notion that your body is your own and you should be allowed to decide what happens to it. If it's in a society's best interest to remove an individual from the collective, the collective quite commonly does so, both in democratic and in totalitarian societies. For various reasons and with varying degrees of fairness and logic. 

 

If there is a person in a group who insists on being a possible vector for a deadly disease it makes sense for the group to remove that person physically, by sending them to another place or burning them. I'm arguing the principle here, such as if these were medieval times and the bubonic plague was upon us and somehow a very clever person developed a vaccine against it. But we can enjoy cute arguments now, because Covid-19 isn't killing enough people to compare it with medieval plagues. We seem to be fine with allowing individuals to put other people at risk while they seem to be fine with reaping the benefits of the people around them getting vaccinated. You don't want to be vaccinated. Fine. Leave society. Take the other needle-shy people with you to St Helena. Or anywhere but here. 

[androokery]

13 minutes ago, Boomer6969 said:

I voted 1, but only because my preferred option ins't available. I believe that, after a sensible deadline, access to services (government, bank, ATM, 7/11, markets) should be denied to unvaccinated people. Under Thailand's current plans  this should probably be announced, right now, as of November 1. 

 

So people are given a choice, but would have to send their gardener to get cash from the ATM if they chose to stay unprotected.

How can they be allowed to have a gardener move around in society when they're unvaccinated?

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

It is completely wrong to mandate anyone to take a vaccine against their will.

Read the OP again, only suggesting it is mandatory to REGISTER for the vaccine.

[androokery]

Seeing the numbers on this survey, it makes sense for the Thai government to start the vaccinations on the expat population. 

[KannikaP]

41 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

There should be an addition whereby not having the vaccine you sign a waiver that if you get covid that any  treatment  will not be free.

And if you smoke fags, rot your liver away with Lao Kao, do not clunk-click, or do not look left then right....Green Cross Code, then treatment is not free either.

[WhatsNext]

Basic human rights anyone ? Your body is yours and doesn't belong to any government. Making the question here already show total and utter ignorance about international law and human rights. 

 

Article 3 Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

The principle of bodily integrity sums up the right of each human being, including children, to autonomy and self-determination over their own body. It considers an unconsented physical intrusion as a human rights violation.

 

Maybe the staff of Thaivisa should read up on basic knowledge a little bit, just a suggestion. 

Edited May 16, 2021 by WhatsNext

[Caldera]

I think they should encourage people to get vaccinated and reinforce that by lifting certain restrictions for vaccinated people only.

 

You don't want to get vaccinated? Fine, but then you cannot dine out, fly or go to the movies. Jail would be over the top, house arrest will do. ????

[EricTh]

Thailand should allow the citizens to choose whatever vaccine they want and not push a certain vaccine to them.

 

Different people want different things.

Edited May 16, 2021 by EricTh

[richard_smith237]

23 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

As far as I know, no country in the world has mandated Covid vaccination, and that includes all the totalitarian regimes.

 

Why exactly should Thailand inflict upon its population what no other country has done?

 

In every country, there is a sizeable number of pro-covid vaccination (fanatics) who are vaccinated and thus protected from the virus, but who won't be satisfied as long as everyone else won't get their shots.

 

Why are they so hell bent into forcing everyone to be safe from the Covid virus, but not from, say, the dangers of smoking or of eating junk food, is a mystery.

 

Why not mandate the suppression of everything that is dangerous for humans? Why focus only on the Covid virus?

 

Just one of the many examples those against the vaccine use... of course, completely missing the point that other people cannot catch a serious illness if someone eat’s junk food etc...  

 

You are of course wrong with the smoking and you have presented the question from a stand point of extreme bias, laws are in place to protect people from passive smoking, there have been arguments for years which have grown in strength. 

 

So, governments most definitely do mandate laws to prevent people from harming others. 

 

The issue with diseases is that their transmission is invisible, so people are not immediately aware of the harm they ‘could’ do to others by not protecting themselves and by proxy, others around them. 

 

 

[WhatsNext]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

So, governments most definitely do mandate laws to prevent people from harming others. 

 

Yes they do, everyone has laws against murder, violence and so on. NO ONE has a law that goes against the basic human right of bodily integrity.

You expect people to take an experimental vaccine which could cause harm and death just to prevent to cause that to someone else ? You'd be the first of course except the crazy clown of Buriram. 

 

Within 3 days you will find a newflash "buriram mayor misquoted" and the whole insanity will be backpedaled again. T.i.T.

[Pedrogaz]

I'm out on a limb here. I support a mandate, but not one with harsh penalties. 

[richard_smith237]

I believe ‘everyone’ should be encouraged to take vaccines.

I believe those who don’t are not only selfish but are potentially dangerous to society.

 

That said, society enters extremely dangerous territory if people are forced to take a vaccine, people should be given the informant and tools to make an informed choice.

 

 

I don’t think ‘vaccination of foreigners’ will be an issue for the Thai Government: I can see a situation whereby those who don’t wish to become vaccinated do not receive a renewal of their extension of stay.

It still surprises me that ‘payment into the healthcare system’ or ‘evidence of private healthcare’ is not included in the extension requirements. 

 

I also see a situation whereby vaccination is required for international travel (airlines an refuse unvaccinated people) although the legalities of this could be interesting.

 

Private entities: ’Some’ organisations will insist on vaccination of its employees. I’m certain I will not be able to continue working in my industry without vaccination. 

 

 

In the future we will see Vaccine Lawsuits:

- Traveler's suing an Airline for being refused travel without a Covid-19 Vaccination

- Employee’s suing their company for being forced to take a Vaccine or face dismissal

- Interviewees suing a company for being forced to disclose their vaccine history

 

etc etc...  these lawsuits will be paid out in the millions in the US and basically dismissed everywhere else !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[WhatsNext]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I don’t think ‘vaccination of foreigners’ will be an issue for the Thai Government: I can see a situation whereby those who don’t wish to become vaccinated do not receive a renewal of their extension of stay.

 

Yes i agree with you, that is quite a possibility. Good that the american CDC covid card is very, very easy to forge. 

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, WhatsNext said:

You'd be the first of course except the crazy clown of Buriram. 

 

 

No I wouldn’t I strongly disagree with ‘enforcement of vaccines’.... 

 

But, I also believe people should take the vaccines and those who don’t can inadvertently put others in harms way.

 

There is no way to force people to take vaccines.

 

7 minutes ago, WhatsNext said:

You expect people to take an experimental vaccine which could cause harm and death just to prevent to cause that to someone else ?

 

There’s no point arguing with extreme bias presented above. The virus is far more harmful, causes far greater harm and death than any of the vaccines. 

[bermondburi]

If you want to work somewhere, be prepared to accept that a jab may be mandatory for that place. Don't like it, don't work there.

 

If you want to travel somewhere, be prepared to accept that proof of vaccination may have to be shown. Don't like it, don't travel.

 

If you want to access government services, some places, utility companies, restaurants, clubs, gyms etc, be prepared to accept that proof of vaccination may have to be shown. Don't like it, don't use those services or go to those places. 

 

Not this year, but maybe the next. It's coming.

 

Already arrived in some countries. Why would Thailand be any different? They already have one of the strictest entry systems in the world.

 

The only way round it I can see for people is to provide PCR test results, presumably done privately, because why should government pay for your selfishness.

[bermondburi]

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I believe ‘everyone’ should be encouraged to take vaccines.

I believe those who don’t are not only selfish but are potentially dangerous to society.

 

That said, society enters extremely dangerous territory if people are forced to take a vaccine, people should be given the informant and tools to make an informed choice.

 

 

I don’t think ‘vaccination of foreigners’ will be an issue for the Thai Government: I can see a situation whereby those who don’t wish to become vaccinated do not receive a renewal of their extension of stay.

It still surprises me that ‘payment into the healthcare system’ or ‘evidence of private healthcare’ is not included in the extension requirements. 

 

I also see a situation whereby vaccination is required for international travel (airlines an refuse unvaccinated people) although the legalities of this could be interesting.

 

Private entities: ’Some’ organisations will insist on vaccination of its employees. I’m certain I will not be able to continue working in my industry without vaccination. 

 

 

In the future we will see Vaccine Lawsuits:

- Traveler's suing an Airline for being refused travel without a Covid-19 Vaccination

- Employee’s suing their company for being forced to take a Vaccine or face dismissal

- Interviewees suing a company for being forced to disclose their vaccine history

 

etc etc...  these lawsuits will be paid out in the millions in the US and basically dismissed everywhere else !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure it would just be put into the Ts and Cs of the ticket for travel. The airline reserves the right to refuse travel to passengers who fail to provide.... Blah blah blah.