Sinovac or wait ...?

[kwak250]

My mother-in -law has had the sinovac jab.

She seems fine exactly the same still cant stand her and her moustache hasnt fell off.

[millymoopoo]

On 5/22/2021 at 7:29 PM, Em150 said:

Sinovac

Probably wait, A Z will be along soon, way more effective than Sinovac.

I think Sinovac is at about 37% effective whereas A Z is 87%

[malibukid]

originally it was stated that Sinovac was counter indicated for those over 60.  now it's OK?  say's who?

Edited May 24, 2021 by malibukid

[Trek800]

Apparently Sinovac is not approved by EU and wont give you quarantine free entry to any European country. So for me it would be Big No, I don't see any point taking this vaccine if it doesn't open up travelling for me.

[Tony125]

5 hours ago, billsmart said:

Yes, absolutely. 

 

The choice isn't, as many think, Sinovac or some other, more effective vaccine. The choice is Sinovac or nothing.

 

You can always get the two shots of Sinovac now, and then later, when they become more available, get some other vaccine also.

China's Sinovac vaccine may be better than previously thought: It was 94% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 in a real-world study, Indonesian officials said

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-sinovac-vaccine-may-better-104040003.html

 

I would get Sinovac now and then later if and when Piszer becomes available take a shot of it.  It was found that people who took shot of Moderna and then later took shot of Piszer had 3 times stronger  respones than  Moderna  with 2 shots.

[chilly07]

Yes! Where can I get some?

[Nojohndoe]

23 minutes ago, malibukid said:

originally it was stated that Sinovac was counter indicated for those over 60.  now it's OK?  say's who?

This question has been answered but not made much awareness of.

The vast majority of those involved in the  "trials" were under  60 yrs of age so there  was little to no data to demonstrate efficacy or significant adverse reactions.

Since the emergency use of it has been adopted by several countries which have included people over 60  as well as extensions of such trials it has been found to be no less nor more in that age group which has led to it being "approved " albeit still under the  emergency use criteria.

Similar "ethical" considerations have also, until recently been applied to those under a certain age -- ( minors) who are generally considered ineligible for providing consent as well as not being considered at high risk. (until recently ! )

The issue with conventional inactivated content vaccine is that in the older generation the immune system is often unresponsive or slow to respond even in the case of natural infection such as has been found  with trialed dengue vaccines.

The more "experimental" vaccines are designed to stimulate the immune system in a different way which overcomes that problem.

A reasonably concise explanation is in this  link :https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1044532318300678

[Tony125]

12 minutes ago, Trek800 said:

Apparently Sinovac is not approved by EU and wont give you quarantine free entry to any European country. So for me it would be Big No, I don't see any point taking this vaccine if it doesn't open up travelling for me.

How about the point of keeping you from getting the virus and dieing ?  Can later get a shot of Psizer as a booster that will give you a Vacine Passport

 

[JCauto]

2 hours ago, BoganInParasite said:

I'd prefer to wait if I have a choice and judge the risk of doing so is not too high to myself and wife. In any case looks like there will not be a decision needed till 4Q21 so plenty of time to mull. By then there should be several credible studies available to judge the performance and side effects of most of the candidate vaccines.

 

Potentially "famous last words" - you clearly don't understand risk. I hope you are able to survive the consequences of your lack of mathematical and scientific acumen.

[JCauto]

2 hours ago, millymoopoo said:

Probably wait, A Z will be along soon, way more effective than Sinovac.

I think Sinovac is at about 37% effective whereas A Z is 87%

I think you invented those numbers by pulling them out of your <deleted>. So do 98% of the people reading your message.

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, millymoopoo said:

Probably wait, A Z will be along soon, way more effective than Sinovac.

I think Sinovac is at about 37% effective whereas A Z is 87%

 

Sinovac is reported to be 50.4% effective against contracting Covid-19  (other reports state higher values).

78 % effective against mild Covid-19 symptoms

99-100% effective against serious symptoms and death

 

AZ is reported to be 79% effective against contracting Covid-19  

 

 

i.e. the vaccines are 50.4% and 79% (Sinovac and AZ respectively) are effective for those who have been exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus and continue to test negative for Covid-19.

 

[BusyB]

I would say with nothing better in sight take it. It will at least prevent severe symptoms in the event of illness.

As more becomes available with time, use them for boosters.

I've never taken flu vaccines, and rarely ever had flu.

But I will be taking the boosters for this monstrous microbe.

[richard_smith237]

53 minutes ago, Trek800 said:

Apparently Sinovac is not approved by EU and wont give you quarantine free entry to any European country. So for me it would be Big No, I don't see any point taking this vaccine if it doesn't open up travelling for me.

 

So you’d go without and not gain entry to any of the EU countries anyway ???

 

 

Think about that one. IF travel passports come into play and the Sinovac vaccine is not recognised so you didn’t take it, you wouldn’t gain entry without any vaccine. 

 

Why not just take whichever vaccine is available for you as soon as possible to protect yourself, then when others become available take those. 

 

i.e. You may not want to travel for another 6 months - so take Sinovac and protect yourself as soon as possible (i.e. when available in the next few months), then take the AZ, Pfiezer or Moderna vaccines if they become available to you in Thailand. 

 

i.e. protect yourself as soon as possible and worry about the what-if’s later...  We’ll all have to take boosters anyway at some point. 

 

 

[sawadee1947]

I would take and even run for it. Later the year I would go for a Biontech or Moderna. ????

[Jeffr2]

54 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

China's Sinovac vaccine may be better than previously thought: It was 94% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 in a real-world study, Indonesian officials said

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-sinovac-vaccine-may-better-104040003.html

 

I would get Sinovac now and then later if and when Piszer becomes available take a shot of it.  It was found that people who took shot of Moderna and then later took shot of Piszer had 3 times stronger  respones than  Moderna  with 2 shots.

I think with regards to the mixing of jabs, studies are ongoing in the UK and Canada.  Official results should be out within a month or so.  But yes, there are some saying it's not only OK to mix, but perhaps good!

 

But I think if you can get Pfizer, you'll be good to go.

[sawadee1947]

5 hours ago, hotchilli said:

I'm not a great believer in the Sinovac vaccine, I would rather wait a month or two and have 2 shots of AZ

.......if you are still alive..... ????

[khunPer]

On 5/22/2021 at 1:36 PM, Surelynot said:

No hesitation in the wife having the jab............I think I probably would as well........I'd see how she reacts to it first.

My girlfriend is still here after Sinovac – she don't give me much chance for a change...???? – so it seems fairly safe. However, they unfortunately changed their mind and wish to give AZ – which is a vector based vaccine banned in three European countries for not being safe – after they saw my real age on the ID-card...????

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Trek800 said:

Apparently Sinovac is not approved by EU and wont give you quarantine free entry to any European country. So for me it would be Big No, I don't see any point taking this vaccine if it doesn't open up travelling for me.

 

Sinovac has been approved by WHO for emergency use. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56967973

 

 

It's only a matter of time before the EU countries approve Sinovac which is currently under the review process in Europe. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/eu-drug-regulator-begins-real-time-review-sinovacs-covid-19-vaccine-2021-05-04/

 

 

[KhunBENQ]

17 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

It's only a matter of time before the EU countries approve Sinovac which is currently under the review process in Europe. 

If that happens I would not hesitate to take it.

So far it looks like having the lowest risk of severe/unknown side effects.

 

Approval: it's important to have a vaccination certificate that is not only useful in Thailand.

I am quite sure that that the non vaccinated will hit more and more obstacles in the future.

[thequietman]

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Sinovac has been approved by WHO for emergency use. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56967973

The health body is yet to reach a decision on China's Sinovac vaccine. WHO experts on Friday said they were awaiting additional information before they could make a recommendation

[Jeffr2]

33 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Sinovac has been approved by WHO for emergency use. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56967973

 

 

It's only a matter of time before the EU countries approve Sinovac which is currently under the review process in Europe. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/eu-drug-regulator-begins-real-time-review-sinovacs-covid-19-vaccine-2021-05-04/

 

 

That's Sinopharm, not Sinovac.  We're getting the latter here....

[richard_smith237]

33 minutes ago, thequietman said:

57 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Sinovac has been approved by WHO for emergency use. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56967973

The health body is yet to reach a decision on China's Sinovac vaccine. WHO experts on Friday said they were awaiting additional information before they could make a recommendation

 

Thanks for the correction - I let my foot of the clutch too early !

[DBath]

It depends on your situation and circumstances and what's important to you. If you feel you may put others or yourself at risk, then you have to make that choice.

 

Based on my situation (which is nobody's business but mine) NO FREAKING WAY.  I'll continue to take the proper precautions by exercising daily, masking, rarely going out, but keeping my distance when I do, frequent hand washing and use of hand gels and continuing to have my groceries delivered.

[BoganInParasite]

1 hour ago, JCauto said:

 

Potentially "famous last words" - you clearly don't understand risk. I hope you are able to survive the consequences of your lack of mathematical and scientific acumen.

Might be best if you refrained from posting when not lucid. Or perhaps take time first to read and understand a comment. Remember, brain in gear before opening mouth.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, BoganInParasite said:

1 hour ago, JCauto said:

 

Potentially "famous last words" - you clearly don't understand risk. I hope you are able to survive the consequences of your lack of mathematical and scientific acumen.

Might be best if you refrained from posting when not lucid. Or perhaps take time first to read and understand a comment. Remember, brain in gear before opening mouth.

 

ohhh... the irony of someone dishing out advice they failed to follow themselves !!!!! 

 

 

 

 

[DBath]

2 hours ago, Tony125 said:

China's Sinovac vaccine may be better than previously thought: It was 94% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 in a real-world study, Indonesian officials said

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-sinovac-vaccine-may-better-104040003.html

 

I would get Sinovac now and then later if and when Piszer becomes available take a shot of it.  It was found that people who took shot of Moderna and then later took shot of Piszer had 3 times stronger  respones than  Moderna  with 2 shots.

Is there an IV vaccine solution available that I can just wheel around with me wherever I go? Holy Jesus...

Edited May 24, 2021 by DBath

[Tony125]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

I think with regards to the mixing of jabs, studies are ongoing in the UK and Canada.  Official results should be out within a month or so.  But yes, there are some saying it's not only OK to mix, but perhaps good!

 

But I think if you can get Pfizer, you'll be good to go.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01359-3   

[Tony125]

2 minutes ago, DBath said:

I there an IV vaccine solution available that I can just wheel around with me wherever I go? Holy Jesus...

 

No but Piszer is working on tabs you can take orally.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/27/pfizer-at-home-covid-pill-could-be-available-by-year-end-ceo-albert-bourla-says.html

[DBath]

5 hours ago, Nemises said:

According to this guy, you should be fine ????

OMG, I haven't laughed so hard in weeks!!

[millymoopoo]

2 hours ago, JCauto said:

I think you invented those numbers by pulling them out of your <deleted>.

Perhaps you may like to check reliable studies and results from sources like Mayo clinic, Yale and Biospace.

All show A Z, Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson and Novavax having higher efficacy rates than the Chinese, Russian and Indian vaccines, and of those, none are peer reviewed...!

Infact sinovac efficacy rates are shown as fluctuating wildly depending on the study group, thus suggesting inaccuracy.!
https://www.biospace.com/article/comparing-covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-biontech-moderna-astrazeneca-oxford-j-and-j-russia-s-sputnik-v/  
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison  

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-vaccine/art-20484859