Chauvin Gets 22.5 Years..

[faraday]

 

 

"Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin has been sentenced to 22-and-a-half years in prison for murdering black man George Floyd"

 

https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/25/derek-chauvin-sentencing-ex-cop-gets-22-years-for-george-floyd-murder-14830304/

 

As if we didn't know already, that George was black.

 

However, justice has been served.

[KarenBravo]

Yes, but he will only serve 15 years according to the news reports.

[clivebaxter]

Seems a harsh sentence, hopefully his legal team will appeal.

[canthai55]

9 minutes ago, clivebaxter said:

Seems a harsh sentence, hopefully his legal team will appeal.

For murder ? 555

George gonna be dead a LONG time

Edited June 25, 2021 by canthai55

[clivebaxter]

2 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

For murder ? 555

George gonna be dead a LONG time

If he had obeyed the law in the first place he would still be here, unless the drugs he took had finished him off. Difficult job for the police having to deal with big strong guys being un cooperative and out of their heads on chemicals. Does not look like a fair trial or sentence.

[colinneil]

Just now, clivebaxter said:

If he had obeyed the law in the first place he would still be here, unless the drugs he took had finished him off. Difficult job for the police having to deal with big strong guys being un cooperative and out of their heads on chemicals. Does not look like a fair trial or sentence.

What !!! Are you for real?

Regardless of what George Floyd did, Chauvin acted like a disgusting thug, thinking he was above the law, and it was ok to behave like he did, even after it was clear George was in a serious condition.

 Correct punishment for Chauvin was execution, or life imprisonment.

[ExpatOilWorker]

They should give Chauvin a prison guard uniform then he could serve 197,235 hours of community service together with his 22.5 years in prison.

Arbeit macht frei. 

[clivebaxter]

10 minutes ago, colinneil said:

What !!! Are you for real?

Regardless of what George Floyd did, Chauvin acted like a disgusting thug, thinking he was above the law, and it was ok to behave like he did, even after it was clear George was in a serious condition.

 Correct punishment for Chauvin was execution, or life imprisonment.

He got carried away right enough but there was no intent to murder, guilty of manslaughter so about 10 years would be right IMO

[cmarshall]

I had him down for 20 years.  22.5 is a good number.  Chauvin's life is ruined as indeed it should be.  Apparently cops are not popular in prisons.

[CANSIAM]

44 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

I had him down for 20 years.  22.5 is a good number.  Chauvin's life is ruined as indeed it should be.  Apparently cops are not popular in prisons.

I don't think GP would be a good idea........

Edited June 26, 2021 by CANSIAM

[jvs]

3 hours ago, clivebaxter said:

If he had obeyed the law in the first place he would still be here, unless the drugs he took had finished him off. Difficult job for the police having to deal with big strong guys being un cooperative and out of their heads on chemicals. Does not look like a fair trial or sentence.

This big strong guy was murdered while he was cuffed,did you watch the video?

I see racism is still alive in the USA.

 

 

[Boomer6969]

One small step for man, a giant leap for mankind.

[billd766]

7 hours ago, clivebaxter said:

Seems a harsh sentence, hopefully his legal team will appeal.

Harsh sentence my arrrrrrrrrrrsssss.

 

He should have been given 40 years with NO remission.

 

He murdered a man knowing that what he was doing would cause a slow agonising death. The sad thing about this worthless pos is that it was un-necessary and he was laughing whilst he took George Foreman's death.

 

He should have the death sentence of hanging by the neck until death.

 

 

7 hours ago, clivebaxter said:

If he had obeyed the law in the first place he would still be here, unless the drugs he took had finished him off. Difficult job for the police having to deal with big strong guys being un cooperative and out of their heads on chemicals. Does not look like a fair trial or sentence.

Horlicks!!!!!

 

6 hours ago, clivebaxter said:

He got carried away right enough but there was no intent to murder, guilty of manslaughter so about 10 years would be right IMO

Double Horlicks.

 

 

Edited June 26, 2021 by billd766
Added extra text

[canthai55]

5 hours ago, CANSIAM said:

I don't think GP would be a good idea........

GP would be the BEST idea

Just think of the savings to the taxpayer, not to mention that THIS would be justice for George

 

[sqwakvfr]

The Federal Civil Rights prosecution comes next.  This process will probably result in life behind bars.  As many will recall LAPD Officers Koon, Wind, Briseno and Powel(Rodney King in 1992) were found not guilty in state court but were found guilty in Federal Court.  

 

The Minnesota Court performed it's duties well in accordance with state laws.  This is not over.  

[clivebaxter]

7 hours ago, jvs said:

This big strong guy was murdered while he was cuffed,did you watch the video?

I see racism is still alive in the USA.

 

 

Cuffed but he demanded to get out of the police car they had him in already due to his drug fueled confused state. Nothing to do with race. if people just co operated with the police in the first place and did not resist arrest and did not incapacitate themselves with lethal drugs these sad situations would not arise. 

[Heng]

It was murder, but he certainly didn't murder a saint.   

[Stocky]

Too light. Sorry, but it should have been significantly more, he abused his position of authority to take a life.

 

The character of the victim carries no weight, murder is murder.

 

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Edited June 26, 2021 by Stocky

[tgw]

5 minutes ago, Stocky said:

Too light. Sorry, but it should have been significantly more, he abused his position of authority to take a life.

 

The character of the victim carries no weight, murder is murder.

 

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you can prove intent then.
and instead of helping prosecution, you have wasted your time on this forum.

[Stocky]

2 hours ago, tgw said:

 

you can prove intent then.
and instead of helping prosecution, you have wasted your time on this forum.

That's what he was charged and convicted of. Second degree murder is categorised as an intentional murder with malice aforethought, but is not premeditated or planned.

[impulse]

22 hours ago, canthai55 said:

For murder ? 555

George gonna be dead a LONG time

 

Yeah, but with the amount of fentanyl in his system, Saint George was a little bit of stress and a few heartbeats away from dying, even if he hadn't gotten arrested.  And if the fentanyl hadn't gotten him, his drug addled, criminal lifestyle would have.

 

And irrespective of that, he was tried under the threat of mob violence had the verdict or sentence gone any other way.  Hardly a fair trial.  He'll get an appeal just on that basis.

 

Not that I think Chauvin should be allowed to be a cop...  But 20+ years was ridiculous, as was the murder verdict.  Maybe involuntary manslaughter by negligence.

 

 

Edited June 26, 2021 by impulse

[CANSIAM]

4 hours ago, josthomz said:

Chauvin did a favor to society by getting rid of George. Now justice should have done another favor to society by getting rid of Chauvin. 
 

It is what it is, George was far from a saint, in fact he was a person that given the right circumstances he could very well hurt innocent people…. Chauvin more of the same.
 

The world certainly wouldnt miss either of them. 

I think someone will get to Chauvin even in PC in due time ( lots of it ) and I imagine it will be violent......

[canthai55]

On 6/27/2021 at 4:54 AM, impulse said:

And if the fentanyl hadn't gotten him, his drug addled, criminal lifestyle would have.

 

On 6/26/2021 at 5:27 PM, clivebaxter said:

 did not incapacitate themselves with lethal drugs these sad situations would not arise. 

A whole lot of speculation on both your parts.

Maybe, Could have, If only, But ...

Drug abuse is a health and social services problem.

Truth - he was Murdered by that Cop

He could have been struck by a car, struck by lightning, OD'd, ... who knows

But - He Was Murdered by a Cop

MURDERED - with Malice Aforethought and Intent as they say

[Thomas J]

I can't speak to what evidence the jury actually saw.  However the autopsy showed Mr. Floyd died from lack of oxygen.  Now what that caused by the knee to the throat or was it due to Mr. Floyd's ingestion of Fetanyl.  

Floyd was already foaming at the mouth, and complaining about not being able to breathe before being restrained on the pavement.   

Now the government particularly the medical examiner was under tremendous pressure because of the racial overtones to find this to be a homicide.  They did a tremendous disservice to objectivity when they showed the video of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck prior to the autopsy.  Without that and no signs of trauma to the throat his finding may have been different. 

I find what Chauvin did not appropriate.  There certainly were better ways of handling Mr. Floyd who was not cooperating and under the influence.  

With that said, the standard in the USA is suppose to be proven beyond a "reasonable doubt"   I don't know how anyone can attribute Mr. Floyd's lack of oxygen to be solely due to Chauvin's knee and not do in part or in total to Mr. Floyd's ingestion of a quantity of Fetanyl that in numerous other cases that level of 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his system. Two milligrams of fentanyl can be lethal depending on a person’s body size, tolerance and past usage. Source DEA.

Handwritten notes of a law enforcement interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, say Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system. 

Also a contributing factor was that Mr. Floyd had coronavirus.  

I don't know how you can see a person with that level of fentanyl in their system suffering from coronavirus and not have "reasonable doubt" on the precise cause of death.  Was Chauvin's knee a contributing factor "probably"  Would identical action by Chauvin on a different person without a history of heart disease, high blood pressure, with a level of fentanyl in their system and suffering from coronavirus also have caused death.   How can anyone know.  One thing for sure by showing the video to the medical examiner prior to the autopsy they assured the findings were not prejudiced. 


https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/04/869278494/medical-examiners-autopsy-reveals-george-floyd-had-positive-test-for-coronavirus






 

[impulse]

4 hours ago, canthai55 said:

 

A whole lot of speculation on both your parts.

Maybe, Could have, If only, But ...

Drug abuse is a health and social services problem.

Truth - he was Murdered by that Cop

He could have been struck by a car, struck by lightning, OD'd, ... who knows

But - He Was Murdered by a Cop

MURDERED - with Malice Aforethought and Intent as they say

 

As for intent, they had him safely ensconced in the back of a squad car.  They intended to affect a simple arrest.  He had a fentanyl fueled breathing episode and demanded they take him out of the car.  So premeditation and intent is doubtful.  (He may have died if they left him in the back of the car.  He seemed to think he was already dying back there all by his lonesome.  So would you have the cops prosecuted just for arresting him, if he died of an overdose?)

 

As to speculation on my part, the toxicology report indicated he taken had a potentially fatal dose of fentanyl.  And he had Covid.  That should have created reasonable doubt that he was actually done in by Chauvin's actions, or his own drug habit.  As I recall, "beyond a reasonable doubt" is the standard for conviction. 

 

All that aside, the judge and jury were threatened with mob violence had the verdict and sentence gone any other way.  That alone is grounds for an appeal.  And a despicable display by some elected officials...  You certainly wouldn't want a mob (and an elected representative) howling for your head on a platter if you were on trial, would you? 

 

But you just go ahead with your rant...

 

Edited June 28, 2021 by impulse

[Jingthing]

A fair sentence.

Without the video the murderer would have walked.

[1FinickyOne]

On 6/26/2021 at 6:35 AM, clivebaxter said:

If he had obeyed the law in the first place he would still be here, unless the drugs he took had finished him off. Difficult job for the police having to deal with big strong guys being un cooperative and out of their heads on chemicals. Does not look like a fair trial or sentence.

he passed a bad $20... and Chauvin has a long history of complaints for excessive force... 

 

Would you say that you just don't care for black people too much? Is that a safe assumption? 

 

Just asking... 

Edited June 28, 2021 by 1FinickyOne

[BritManToo]

On 6/26/2021 at 6:35 AM, clivebaxter said:

If he had obeyed the law in the first place he would still be here, unless the drugs he took had finished him off. Difficult job for the police having to deal with big strong guys being un cooperative and out of their heads on chemicals. Does not look like a fair trial or sentence.

A death sentence for not co-operating with the police seems a little harsh IMHO.

[impulse]

40 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

A death sentence for not co-operating with the police seems a little harsh IMHO.

 

I'd suggest that, if you take enough fentanyl that a little stress is enough to kill you, you refrain from committing crimes that may cause you some stress if caught.

 

That applies to white fentanyl abusing criminals, too- for those who think it's a racist thing.

 

Edit:  If you really want to prosecute Floyd's killer, you should look for his dealer, and whoever put fentanyl in his speedball.  It's a good bet he didn't even know he was getting fentanyl.

 

Edited June 28, 2021 by impulse

[Thomas J]

On 6/26/2021 at 10:09 AM, jvs said:

This big strong guy was murdered while he was cuffed,did you watch the video?

I see racism is still alive in the USA.

Racism how about maybe in reverse. 



 

 

Watch this, a man not trying to pass counterfeit bills entered the lobby of a jail in Arlington Tx outside Dallas.  The man age 48 had a history of heart disease, and was high on Fentanyl, he asked for help.   The police attempted to restrain him and an officer on video was shown to place his knee on the mans neck.  The man died.  The grand jury refused to bring any charges against the police officers involved because they could not determine if their actions caused his death despite the fact the medical examiner ruled it a homicide.  Now what is the main difference between this case and George Floyd.  The man in Dallas that died was white and the police officer with his knee on his neck was black.  Watch the video, it is startlingly similar to the actions taken on George Floyd. 
 

 

Edited June 28, 2021 by Thomas J