6 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

You and me both know those numbers are 10 x

Yes, but why doesn’t the thai media do some real reporting rather than publish what is officially given to them.

Nonthaburi workers strike after Covid-hit factory stays open

Workers at a Covid-hit factory in metropolitan Bangkok on Monday demanded that the owner close the factory until it has been cleaned and all workers’ test results have come back.

 

The protest at the sewing factory in Nonthaburi’s Pakkred district came after 60 of its 1,700 workers were sent to Kasemrad International Hospital and Two Three Hotel after testing positive during proactive screening on Friday and Saturday.

The results of tests on the other workers will be announced today.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40002555

6 hours ago, rabas said:

Kongcheep says mass testing will be conducted in the camps and infected people will be further isolated."

The workers are already departing back to Cambodia and Myanamar.

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

18th Sept so around 12 weeks

12 weeks is what they gave me when I had my vaccination on the 24th here in BKK, date for the second jab is the 16th of September.  Lets see if they do not push the date closer with the uptick in cases.

8 minutes ago, bluedoc said:

Yes, but why doesn’t the thai media do some real reporting rather than publish what is officially given to them.

They are just like the American media. Controlled by one political party

14 minutes ago, bluedoc said:

Yes, but why doesn’t the thai media do some real reporting rather than publish what is officially given to them.

 

Because real journalism doesn't exist anymore.

42 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

"Whether you choose to believe that the lockdowns were the "cause" of this decline (despite peaking during lockdown) or whether other factors (seasonality) were relevant is entirely up to you.   To have such a belief in lockdowns despite contrary evidence is quite baffling to me, but considering the human capacity to believe in religion it's not overly surprising."

 

Changing the goal posts again

 

Still can't back up your claims that lockdowns don't work, oh wait the decreases are due to seasonal changes. Evidence to that effect? 

 

The science of social distancing, the primary reason for a lockdown is not science it is faith/religion, really, evidence of that?

 

Carry on with your nonsense it really does display your own ignorance and complete dismissal of science, a subject you obviously did poorly in at school.

 

 

 

Sigh, this is the part where I ask why it is that lockdown States such as California and NY have fared no better than non-lockdown states such as Florida or Texas, and then you either ignore this or call me a name such as "covid denier".    I just think if you are going to do something that causes such harm (and please do not deny that lockdowns cause immense harm) then the evidential bar should be set incredibly high.    It's not good enough to ask someone to prove a negative (which of course is not possible).   If these things work as advertised then it should be easy to point at California or NY and show exactly how well they have done in comparison to Florida or Texas, but of course I know you cannot, which is why you will ignore this.    

 

3 hours ago, rabas said:

 

500k is the daily target for all vaccine types.

1.3m doses is the weekly target for AZ delivery.

Is this how Thailand is going to get their vaccines from AZ?  1 million at a time?

17 minutes ago, bluedoc said:

Yes, but why doesn’t the thai media do some real reporting rather than publish what is officially given to them.

Because the media is owned run and governed by the people who officially give the information to the media they own run and govern.If you haven't noticed yet do some reading on the strict controls they have on publications here.

8 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Sigh, this is the part where I ask why it is that lockdown States such as California and NY have fared no better than non-lockdown states such as Florida or Texas, and then you either ignore this or call me a name such as "covid denier".    I just think if you are going to do something that causes such harm (and please do not deny that lockdowns cause immense harm) then the evidential bar should be set incredibly high.    It's not good enough to ask someone to prove a negative (which of course is not possible).   If these things work as advertised then it should be easy to point at California or NY and show exactly how well they have done in comparison to Florida or Texas, but of course I know you cannot, which is why you will ignore this.    

 

Oh sigh, you cannot prove your claims so attempt poor deflection that just shows your claims to be compete and utter rubbish. So instead of trying to defend and falsely claim that lockdowns don't work, what is the other solution?

 

Take into account the primary reason for a lockdown is to hold back spread so the health service can function, buy time.

 

In Thailand the beds are at crisis point and that includes critical icu beds, the health experts are extremely concerned and have called for lockdowns to buy time, the business associations have done the same.

 

However do you have a better solution to avoid an increasing death toll and increasing number of patients so sick they need intensive care and a ventilator because of lack of a functioning health service?

 

Solutions to stop the spread that are needed right now, so what are they? Aside from the wind will blow it away

2 hours ago, anchadian said:

National Vaccination Rollout since 7 June:

 

DAY 1: 416,847

- - - -

DAY 14: 91,879 <— Sunday

DAY 15: 227,639

DAY 16: 241,639

DAY 17: 251,985

DAY 18: 257,103

DAY 19: 324,055

DAY 20: 74,075 <— Saturday

DAY 21: 93,577 <— Sunday

 

TOTAL: 5,046,991

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1409388627721818113

 

Who is the government guy that said Thailand HAS enough vaccines to take care of the country? 

1 minute ago, club said:

Is this how Thailand is going to get their vaccines from AZ?  1 million at a time?

 

Thailand manufactures them locally, they don't get them from AZ.

 

1.3m per week is the current supply rate from the factory.

8 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Sigh, this is the part where I ask why it is that lockdown States such as California and NY have fared no better than non-lockdown states such as Florida or Texas, and then you either ignore this or call me a name such as "covid denier".    I just think if you are going to do something that causes such harm (and please do not deny that lockdowns cause immense harm) then the evidential bar should be set incredibly high.    It's not good enough to ask someone to prove a negative (which of course is not possible).   If these things work as advertised then it should be easy to point at California or NY and show exactly how well they have done in comparison to Florida or Texas, but of course I know you cannot, which is why you will ignore this.    

 

Actually I posted here for a month showing Florida with significantly more infections than California. 

 

Since then, Florida has stopped reporting regularly. 

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh sigh, you cannot prove your claims so attempt poor deflection that just shows your claims to be compete and utter rubbish. So instead of trying to defend and falsely claim that lockdowns don't work, what is the other solution?

 

Take into account the primary reason for a lockdown is to hold back spread so the health service can function, buy time.

 

In Thailand the beds are at crisis point and that includes critical icu beds, the health experts are extremely concerned and have called for lockdowns to buy time, the business assignations have done the same.

 

However do you have a better solution to avoid an increasing death toll and increasing number of patients so sick they need intensive care and a ventilator because of lack of a functioning health service?

 

Solutions to stop that are needed right now, so what are they?

 

" If these things work as advertised then it should be easy to point at California or NY and show exactly how well they have done in comparison to Florida or Texas, but of course I know you cannot, which is why you will ignore this."

 

I had a feeling you would ignore this...  

 

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However do you have a better solution to avoid an increasing death toll and increasing number of patients so sick they need intensive care and a ventilator because of lack of a functioning health service?

 

Yes, follow the example of Florida and Texas.   Don't follow the example of California or NY.      

2 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

Thailand manufactures them locally, they don't get them from AZ.

 

1.3m per week is the current supply rate from the factory.

So 1.3 m times 26 weeks left in the year = 33,800,000. What happened to the 60m order? 

7 hours ago, meechai said:

Hospitals are overloaded because they have the insane idea they need to bed asymptomatic cases which is a total waste of resources.

 

Secondly Thailand need to chill & face reality not shut everything down to squash protest movements etc

 

Because here is a fact

According to the latest WHO data published in 2018 Influenza and Pneumonia Deaths in Thailand reached 44,549 or 9.11% of total deaths.

 

So how many Flu/Pneumonia deaths a day average is that in 2018 PRE COVID?  122 !!

 

How many are dying now of covid according to Thai stats? 20-50 a day?

 

Geez buy a calculator & use some reason & logic Covid has been in full force in Thailand since 2019 period

 

 

 

 

Asymptomatic cases are in field hospitals, not regular hospitals. Ive neved seen in 20 years where seasonal flu puts fills hospitals and puts hundeds on ventilators. 

1 minute ago, James105 said:

 

" If these things work as advertised then it should be easy to point at California or NY and show exactly how well they have done in comparison to Florida or Texas, but of course I know you cannot, which is why you will ignore this."

 

I had a feeling you would ignore this...  

 

 

Yes, follow the example of Florida and Texas.   Don't follow the example of California or NY.      

I'm not ignoring anything I'm being logical, thats how an adult debate goes and dealing with one point at a time, each point you've raised has so far been provided with zero evidence. The decreases due to a lockdown in the UK were down to seasonal change you claim, still waiting on evidence for that?

 

Once you've cleared this up then I'll be happy to ask you again:

 

What is the other solution?

 

Take into account the primary reason for a lockdown is to hold back spread so the health service can function, buy time.

 

In Thailand the beds are at crisis point and that includes critical icu beds, the health experts are extremely concerned and have called for lockdowns to buy time, the business associations have done the same.

 

However do you have a better solution to avoid an increasing death toll and increasing number of patients so sick they need intensive care and a ventilator because of lack of a functioning health service?

 

Solutions to stop the spread that are needed right now, so what are they? Aside from the wind will blow it away

 

 

9 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

" If these things work as advertised then it should be easy to point at California or NY and show exactly how well they have done in comparison to Florida or Texas, but of course I know you cannot, which is why you will ignore this."

 

I had a feeling you would ignore this...  

 

 

Yes, follow the example of Florida and Texas.   Don't follow the example of California or NY.      

Government needs 100 m jabs of Pfizer right now 

1 hour ago, anchadian said:

Asymptomatic patients to isolate at home, save hospital beds

 

A “home isolation” programme will mitigate the shortage of hospital beds for severe Covid cases in Bangkok and surrounding provinces, the Department of Medical Services (DMS) said on Monday.

 

The programme will see younger patients with mild or no symptoms sent home instead of held in medical facilities, as has been the procedure until now. The beds made available are to be converted to care for very ill patients. No start date was given.

 

“There are many infected people who are waiting for hospital beds at home,” said Dr Somsak Akksilp, the DMS’s director-general. He said beds in intensive care unit (ICU) at hospitals in Bangkok and surrounding provinces are now 90 per cent full.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29042/asymptomatic-patients-to-isolate-at-home-save-hospital-beds/

 

My brother-in-law was one of the unfortunate ones to be asked to test last week. Someone in his office at King Power had a relative who had tested positive. So, everyone in their office had to be tested. The brother-in-law's test came out positive. 

He was told to go and stay in a "hospitel" sharing a room with a Burmese factory worker from Samut Prakan who can speak little Thai. Two beds, but everything else in the room shared. No symptoms yet. What a circus!

The worst part is that the employer - King Power - has told my brother-in-law that he might have to take some of the time away from work as unpaid leave. The reason they gave was that he might have caught it somewhere else, and not in the office.

Would you put up with that kind of sh*t? Being told you have to go to work, then probably being infected by a co-worker, and then told to share a room with a complete stranger who might make you develop symptoms if they have a higher viral load ... and then having your salary cut by the employer who put you in the position to catch the virus in the first place.

I am sure there are many stories like this. Employees are the dust under the employer's feet in many places.

1 hour ago, James105 said:

 

The lockdown started on 5th November and whilst its not as simple as that as there were tiered restrictions in different parts of the UK the cases went up from there peaking in January and sharply declining in March which (and this could be a coincidence) is in line with when other seasonal viruses decline.    

 

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/timeline-lockdown-web.pdf

 

Also, states in the US without lockdowns have fared no differently to states that pursued hard lockdowns.   Also Peru.  

 

Whether you choose to believe that the lockdowns were the "cause" of this decline (despite peaking during lockdown) or whether other factors (seasonality) were relevant is entirely up to you.   To have such a belief in lockdowns despite contrary evidence is quite baffling to me, but considering the human capacity to believe in religion it's not overly surprising.   

Nope. 

 

In America, the states with the highest per capita infection rates were places like North Dakota and states in the Deep South that had no lockdowns. There are a couple of states in the Top 10 that had massive infections before lockdowns were instituted. 

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand on Monday (June 28) reported 5,406 new COVID-19 cases and 22 additional deaths over the past 24 hours. 

We're in control... really, of a runaway train maybe.

7 hours ago, darksidedog said:

I think it is time for the denial that there is a problem here, or that it is under control to be thrown out the window and time for the progression to be very seriously addressed. The hospital system is overwhelmed already and in all likelihood the numbers are going to go up and up. Very bad news.

If the rising numbers in and around Bangkok are anything to go by, if this goes nationwide Thailand is about to collapse.

3 hours ago, Daithi85 said:

With all the bad news coming out here on a daily basis I thought the baht would of sunk by now, it's barely moved.its unsinkable. 

Just more currency manipulation Thailand learned from China. The Baht should be at 35 with this economy in shambles 

Amazing Thailand TiT

8 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

If the rising numbers in and around Bangkok are anything to go by, if this goes nationwide Thailand is about to collapse.

I would think it was nationwide already, just not tested for. However that's just my opinion.

9 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

0.0078217364 mortality rate...if only crossing the street in Thailand was as safe.

 

(And the link was for the statistics...and is required when providing numbers to make a point...)

 

You can't include hospitalized cases in the morality rate.  You don't know how many will die. It's deaths/(recovered+deaths). Since early April (UK strain) it is closer to 1.5% as would be expected.

 

Something else to consider. The Indian_delta strain has now been shown to have 85% more hospitalizations than the UK_alpha strain. IOW, it also seems stronger.  WIKI

13 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

If the rising numbers in and around Bangkok are anything to go by, if this goes nationwide Thailand is about to collapse.

I don't think any nation has collapsed due to Covid. 

 

1 hour ago, Anna Rak said:

Can I just say, If there are no beds left in the hospitals for Covid or any other patients why OH! why do you need $100,000 Covid insurance to get a COE. 

 

Just a thought???

I think they can buy you one cardboard bed whit 100k and put you in some nice cleaners cupboard sealed there alone!

7 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

You can't include hospitalized cases in the morality rate.  You don't know how many will die. It's deaths/(recovered+deaths). Since early April (UK strain) it is closer to 1.5% as would be expected.

 

Something else to consider. The Indian_delta strain has now been shown to have 85% more hospitalizations than the UK_alpha strain. IOW, it also seems stronger.  WIKI

My only point is using the govt statistics cited in the source I provided, the mortality rate from April to the present (aka "Third Wave") is what I stated. I'm not making any other point (other than that it's still very very low). 

3 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

Many have escape from BKK to they family homes in provinces. Was big mistake to tell people there maybe come lockdown and then not do it right away! Now from all clusters covid going to spread all over country! Mrs just told me yesterday that in close bye our village 5 case's from BKK whitch going to annouce today! So Loei have atleast 5 new today all from BKK! Aha they find one more in other place so Loei 6! 

Are you in Loei? I am in Dansai Loei province .