3 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

They always seem to point to Thailand's position on Worldometer's table, gleefully

nobody is being gleeful about any of this - we are all very angry at the incompetence that is increasing in tandem every day with the data

 

there absolutely nothing to be happy about in Thailand right now

1 minute ago, smedly said:

nobody is being gleeful about any of this - we are all very angry at the incompetence that is increasing in tandem every day with the data

 

there absolutely nothing to be happy about in Thailand right now

This.

So often branded as doomsayers and that we're happy to see TH fail. Nothing could be further from the truth. I think we're the rational and realistic ones, the ones trying to open people's eyes to the potential of what is happening, and literally begging someone with an ounce for decency and ability in power to actually do something to help people.

I know not many people on this website live in Sisaket but here is a 7 day average graph based on the data provided by the CSSA. It is pretty representative of the Issan region

Before Songran there were almost nil cases

Sisaket is a sparse populated area with little largescale industry 

I will update this periodically - last updated for data released 02/07/2021

 

53 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I hope he/she is OK. I've had 3 of my students tested positive since April, but they only had very mild symptoms. Fortunately children and younger people don't tend to be very badly affected.  Keep us posted.

 

I hope he/she is OK too. 

 

Unfortunately what was true of the Alpha variant's relatively low effect on younger people may be changing as COVID19 morphs into newer variants.  Indonesia (Delta variant on the rise) reports the following regarding pediatric cases and deaths:

"Dr Aman Pulungan, head of Indonesia's paediatric society, said weekly child deaths from COVID-19 rose to 24 last week from 13 in the previous week, many under five years old.

That was a larger rate of increase than the overall rise in COVID-19 deaths from 1,783 to 2,476 fatalities nationwide over the same period.

Aman said infections among minors were rising fast.

"It is increasing now. In mid-May there was about 2,000 – 2,500 cases per week," said Aman. "Last week there was more than 6,000 cases."

The percentage of overall cases that were under 18 years of age has risen to 12.6% in June compared to 5% in July last year, according to official data, although Aman noted children were now being tested more."

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/covid-19-rising-among-children-indonesia-crisis-grows-2021-06-30/

 

 

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

This Government is about to reap what it has sown", and that's not a speculation or personal view as people have stated in the past.  What it is is reality and it is coming hard and fast and this Government is surely screwed in all aspects as they have failed the people miserably.  Tourism is not where they should have put all of their eggs, just like the vaccines from only 2 companies, as they have now created a rolling mess that is hitting slowly but will be a Tsunami by the time it washes over the country. 

Yes, I agree, the government has failed the Thai people in spectacular fashion.

 

The government places orders for submarines and tanks, not to mention new airplanes, when it should be spending money on getting the best vaccines that money can buy, and I don't mean the cheapies from China either, and in ensuring that there are enough intensive care units available in the hospitals, and other aspects of the health system which need improving, especially now that this medical tsunami is upon us.

 

Unfortunately it seems to be endemic in this part of the world as places like India and Pakistan, are suffering from lack of oxygen/cylinders, medicines, hospital facilities and so on, whilst spending money on nuclear weapons and space shots, and all of this makes my blood boil, especially when I see other countries sending them vaccines, just because they misused their own funds, and also because the rich get richer and the poor are not even considered "human beings".

 

Thailand could have done so much more and been so much better, but incompetence and corruption reign supreme, so there wasn't much hope from the start. Sad indeed.

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Should have also mentioned today's numbers will put Thailand around number 15 or 16 for new infections globally so well in the top 20. Yes we all know that many countries under report due to lack of testing but I'm just going on official figures charted by worldometer.

And we all know Thailand doesn’t carry out enough testing henceforth under reporting actual figures.

11 minutes ago, Enzian said:

Last year: 1) We are special, we are unique, we have our own culture and ways of doing things and the ways of others don't necessarily apply to us, 2) we live a charmed existence, some divinity is protecting us, just look at the numbers, 3) there has to be some way of monetizing this not-so-serious situation and lining a few pockets, let's see, we limit the number of vendors so we can determine the flow and keep it all in our grip, while simultaneously showing our superiority over the West. 

But nature had other ideas.

Nature had other Ideas as you can now see, and this is without them truly testing anyone randomly. God forbid had they tested to get ahead of this issue and stopped the travel and truly locked down the borders.  I digress, the deaths are mounting and these are only the ones being reported from either a hospital to the CCSA, or from the stories on the news where they are finding dead at home because of either no hospital bed or because they were not tested.  You truly have to wonder about those that die without an autopsy who were only sick a short time but chose to stay home instead of being separated from family.  Sure there are those of you who will say social media will be filling up with stories if it were happening and where are the full hospitals, where are those folks now that the hospitals are full and social media is full of stories of waiting for beds, photos showing full hospitals etc, and that is even with locking down all of the migrants into their work camps, factories, and housing.  Stay safe and prepare for this to get dicey and not end anytime soon.  For those that want to party in their private villas with friends and are not concerned with Covid, more power to you and hopefully your stupidity does not wreak havoc on you or your friends.

Thanks TallGuyJohninBKK for posting the leader board for the COVID Games.

 

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/TheNationThailand/posts/10158081433296937

 

 

 

 

ABCbangkok: Yes sports fans it certain that  Indonesia will take home the Gold this pandemic.
 

But it does look like we have a real challenge from laggard Thailand for Bronze and perhaps even Silver. Thailand could overtake MAL and PH in the New Cases category within days. It’s giving it all its got in terms of ineptness and idiocy.
 

Here to explain the finer details of Thailand’s strategy is our very own epidemiologist, Dr. Frank Farang.

 

Frank: Well ABC who would have thought a mere 4 months ago Thailand, with low triple-digit infections and single-digit fatalities, would be posting such impressive numbers! Perhaps this was their strategy all along. Idle back in the pack, then give her all you got near the end.

 

ABCbangkok: But will it be enough to overtake MAL and PH?

 

Frank: I like Thailand’s chances. Clearly it’s launched an on-again/off-again lockdown strategy. Not only does this keep the competition guessing, but it is designed to confuse all the Thai players as well. That’s what you want in a situation like this.

 

ABCbangkok: But won’t that lead to a lot of finger pointing if Thailand doesn’t finish in the medals?

 

Frank: It will and that’s the beauty of it. Whether they finish in or out of the medals, there is absolutely no one to blame and no one can be held responsible. 

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

The sinovac vaccine is what's causing their cases to spike because it only works on earlier variants not Delta.

I thought none of the vaccines works against transmission of any of the variants? Don’t they just all prevent you from get sick or severely sick? 

2 minutes ago, cocoonclub said:

I thought none of the vaccines works against transmission of any of the variants? Don’t they just all prevent you from get sick or severely sick? 

People with 2 sinovac shots are dying. Interestingly there seems to be no info on deaths here about people dying without or with vaccination.

 

Just now, dinsdale said:

People with 2 sinovac shots are dying.

That wasn’t the topic. 

25 minutes ago, sandyf said:

I wouldn't disagree with that but some can tolerate a proper lockdown better than others.

Exactly and those who failed to implement are paying the price as a result. 

Just now, cocoonclub said:

That wasn’t the topic. 

This is what you said.

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

I thought none of the vaccines works against transmission of any of the variants? Don’t they just all prevent you from get sick or severely sick? 

This is what I said. 

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

People with 2 sinovac shots are dying. Interestingly there seems to be no info on deaths here about people dying without or with vaccination.

 

5 minutes ago, cocoonclub said:

I thought none of the vaccines works against transmission of any of the variants? Don’t they just all prevent you from get sick or severely sick? 

Thats a little broad, some work better than others at preventing both transmission and severely sick or deaths.

 

Sinovac is the least effective from all other brands on those categories. As a result it takes far longer to reach herd immunity with it and you also need more people vaccinated.

Just now, dinsdale said:

This is what you said.

This is what I said. 

I didn’t make a statement; I asked a question. If you cannot answer this question that’s fair enough, but then why don’t you let someone else answer the question rather than confusing with off-topic? 

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Thats a little broad, some work better than others at preventing both transmission and severely sick or deaths.

Is that really the case? From all I’ve read the vaccines don’t prevent transmission but only getting sick or severely sick meaning that cases can (and will) rise with any vaccine but people (and the healthcare systems) will be better protected depending on what vaccine they got. I mean I would love if it was like you described it’s just that I read something different.. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, cocoonclub said:

Is that really the case? From all I’ve read the vaccines don’t prevent transmission but only getting sick or severely sick meaning that cases can (and will) rise with any vaccine but people (and the healthcare systems) will be better protected. I mean I would love if it was like you described it’s just that I read something different.. 

 

 

You've read wrong, vaccines prevent transmission in by far the majority of cases, only breakthrough cases are there a possibility of passing it on

 

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-vaccines-do-reduce-transmission-how-does-work?

So 6,000 is the new 2,000, yet deaths stay around 40-50 a day in spite of cases having tripled in just a few weeks. I know that death is a lagging indicator, but either something fishy is going on with the numbers (as if that would be a surprise, lol!) or we're bound to see deaths rise to ~150/day soon.

5 minutes ago, cocoonclub said:

Is that really the case? From all I’ve read the vaccines don’t prevent transmission

they can prevent many things including transmission, some are better than others, the whole thing is in a constant state of flux with new variants needing careful study and time

 

no telling what is round the corner but effective vaccines will go a long way to wiping this virus out to a point were it is no longer a concern, countries like Thailand will slow this process down by being left behind and likely isolated

 

Other counties were the dirty farangs have nailed it will come to Thailands rescue and start shipping them vaccines

20 minutes ago, cocoonclub said:

I didn’t make a statement; I asked a question. If you cannot answer this question that’s fair enough, but then why don’t you let someone else answer the question rather than confusing with off-topic? 

 

30 minutes ago, cocoonclub said:

I thought none of the vaccines works against transmission of any of the variants? Don’t they just all prevent you from get sick or severely sick?

2 questions but I'll answer the second one. You ask "Don’t they just all prevent you from get sick or severely sick?" My answer is although being vaccinated can reduce severe symptoms it is not 100% and this is evidenced by several hundred doctors fully vacced with SinoVac becoming severely ill and more than 30 dying from the Delta variant in Indonesia. This is known as vaccine breakthrough. I'm not sure why you find this off topic.

I'm speechless with this......................

 

TAT in Trat Province is offering a stay one night get one night free holiday promotion aimed at Thai tourists from 15th July. This is in the B.P.

 

 

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

Curbing Delta’s force, vaccines keep Israel’s hospitals calm and avert lockdown

At hospitals, doctors are breathing a sigh of relief, and saying the situation shows that while some vaccinated people are being infected, it’s clear that inoculation is downgrading their illness and preventing deterioration.

 

Israel has 60% of its population fully vaccinated, largely with the very effective Pfizer vaccine. Thailand's current fully vaccinated rate is about 4%. And most of those are with the less effective Sinovac vaccine.  Not sure Israel's situation does much good for Thailand.

 

18 minutes ago, Guderian said:

So 6,000 is the new 2,000, yet deaths stay around 40-50 a day in spite of cases having tripled in just a few weeks. I know that death is a lagging indicator, but either something fishy is going on with the numbers (as if that would be a surprise, lol!) or we're bound to see deaths rise to ~150/day soon.

Deaths lag new infections by up to 3 weeks.

7 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I'm not sure why you find this off topic.

Because the question was about rise of cases not about rise of deaths. 

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'm speechless with this......................

 

TAT in Trat Province is offering a stay one night get one night free holiday promotion aimed at Thai tourists from 15th July. This is in the B.P.

 

 

Well this is what happens when idiots run things. 

2 hours ago, smedly said:

ooops

 

some details would be helpful

 

 

why is Bangkok not locked down with travel restrictions imposed to other provinces, pretty sure there will be many flocking to Chonburi this weekend mostly to Ban Saen Pattaya and Rayong

Thailand could learn a lot from Vietnam, my Lady says all the southern provinces are on sort of a lockdown, no travel between any of the towns, people are told via news to keep in their cities, preferable in their homes and not come into contact with anyone from outside your neighborhood.................Vietnam may be heavy handed, but it is working, they have some of the lowest numbers of cases compared to the rest of the world.     Only thing lacking is information when they will chow up to administer vaccines............no one in the delta has a clue.

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

He estimates one or two months for it to be the dominant strain, I estimate one or two weeks seeing as its 40% already

 

Even your 2 week estimate may be too slow. I have no idea why they keep talking about Delta dominating in a few months time.  It was at 25% less than two weeks ago, now 40%. The fastest rise percentage wise will be around 50%. So it is now screaming from the low 40s through 50%.

 

And once it becomes all Delta, the rise in cases may not slow appreciably. It means you just hit maximum R0. The only way to drop R0 is by drastic, coordinated, intelligent human action. No need to explain why that's not going to happen.

39 minutes ago, cocoonclub said:

I thought none of the vaccines works against transmission of any of the variants? Don’t they just all prevent you from get sick or severely sick? 

 

3 minutes ago, cocoonclub said:

Because the question was about rise of cases not about rise of deaths. 

 

40 minutes ago, cocoonclub said:

The sinovac vaccine is what's causing their cases to spike because it only works on earlier variants not Delta.

My apologies. I obviously missed the bit about rise of cases not deaths.

Just now, rabas said:

 

Even your 2 week estimate may be too slow. I have no idea why they keep talking about Delta dominating in a few months time.  It was at 25% less than two weeks ago, now 40%. The fastest rise percentage wise will be around 50%. So it is now screaming from the low 40s through 50%.

 

And once it becomes all Delta, the rise in cases may not slow appreciably. It means you just hit maximum R0. The only way to drop R0 is by drastic, coordinated, intelligent human action. No need to explain why that's not going to happen.

I think I heard that in the UK the Delta % is doubling every 2 wks.

21 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'm speechless with this......................

 

TAT in Trat Province is offering a stay one night get one night free holiday promotion aimed at Thai tourists from 15th July. This is in the B.P.

 

 

They are hoping for numbers from Koh Chang holiday makers in the main from Bangkok.

Government needs to stop holiday makers traveling from Bangkok. There would be a lot wishing to travel to Bang Saen right through to Trat. 

In fact I was due to return to that area.

Let's hope Thai gov squash those travel plans.