Brit accused of murdering Thai woman finally extradited from Spain to 'face justice'

[Clydesdale]

Is he the one who did it ? Did he go to Kanchanaburi ?

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, Clydesdale said:

Is he the one who did it ? Did he go to Kanchanaburi ?

There are articles stating he was in a van with her being dropped off at Kanchanaburi. Big chance he did it but won't be 100% sure until the trial.

 

Its not as if the police has a motive in going after this guy. So much effort for them and the woman was a bar girl no money to get from her family to solve it. So unlikely that its financially motivated. If not motivated by money then there must be good evidence. Also an European court would not say there is sufficient evidence if there was not. These are real judges who don't extradite someone easily. 

 

So if i were a betting man id say he done it. 

[robblok]

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

He's not wanted on a murder charge, mind you.

No but maybe he should have been, i mean using drugs and driving a car. Then you willingly take a risk of killing someone. They were planning to make drinking and driving a murder charge too if you killed someone. Should apply to all other drugs too not just alcohol. 

 

Anyway the heir has cloud, Looker has not. But yea damm shame about the red bull heir. 

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He's not wanted on a murder charge, mind you.

Perfectly true......although the outcome would be the same......(other than fatter envelopes required).

[Surelynot]

Just now, robblok said:

No but maybe he should have been, i mean using drugs and driving a car. Then you willingly take a risk of killing someone. They were planning to make drinking and driving a murder charge too if you killed someone. Should apply to all other drugs too not just alcohol. 

 

Anyway the heir has cloud, Looker has not. But yea damm shame about the red bull heir. 

The Navy Admiral (?) who owned a car hire firm, but was using a taxi?? and witnessed the Ferrari doing 30 mph, just before the policeman swerved in front of it, seems to have disappeared off the scene.....strange.

[Bluespunk]

15 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

i wonder why he is being "uncooperative" personally this case is very fishy, he allegedly just meets this girl then kills and dismembers her, what's the motive? most likely a jealous ex boyfriend involved

And what evidence do you base that upon?

 

And of course, supposition is not evidence. 

Edited July 13, 2021 by Bluespunk

[Liverpool Lou]

9 minutes ago, robblok said:

They were planning to make drinking and driving a murder charge too if you killed someone.

Only until it was pointed out, from a legal point of view, how ridiculous it would have been.

[Misterwhisper]

34 minutes ago, Gandtee said:

Oh come on! Why are you bringing logical questions into the subject? You ting too mut.????

I am sorry and deeply, deeply apologize. But I just can't help it. It's not my fault that I have a brain. LOL (some sort of a sinister, evil cackle, really)

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, Misterwhisper said:

I am sorry and deeply, deeply apologize. But I just can't help it. It's not my fault that I have a brain. LOL (some sort of a sinister, evil cackle, really)

Yes but your questions have largely been answered.

 

Yes he was seen with her in Kanchanaburi by the van taxi driver that dropped them both

His DNA under her fingernails. Either rough sex or a desperate attempt to escape.

Same stones that looker bought were used to weigh the body down.

 

Lets wait for the trail what else of damming evidence they have but this alone is already strong. You don't always need to find the exact place. Plenty of murders get convicted based on too much circumstantial evidence. Its not as if you always need a smoking gun.

 

But like you id love to know more about the suitcase. But also the police of course is not going to make public all their information. No police force does that because then during questioning you can't shock the suspect. 

Edited July 13, 2021 by robblok

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Only until it was pointed out, from a legal point of view, how ridiculous it would have been.

I don't see it as ridiculous, or at least a much harsher punishment should be given to those who use alcohol and other drugs while operating a vehicle and killing someone. 

 

Its selfish bastards who drink and drive or use drugs and drive that kill others who should be put away for a long time. If someone puts his own pleasure (drunk / high) before the safety of others it should be treated a lot different then from a normal accident. Mandatory time should be on the table.

 

Murder is a bit too much indeed. 

[dennnis]

Why he didn't stay in the UK? Does UK extradite it's own citizens? I know that my country doesn't. 

[jacko45k]

3 minutes ago, dennnis said:

Why he didn't stay in the UK? Does UK extradite it's own citizens? I know that my country doesn't. 

If there is an extradition treaty yes, of course. Not if there is a chance of the death penalty. Not sure where your country is. 

[Stupooey]

1 hour ago, Gandtee said:

You seem to mix with a strange circle of friends.????

Quite possibly many of us have unwittingly talked to a murderer at some point in our lives. It's just that for most of us the subject has not been broached during the conversation.

[dennnis]

4 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

If there is an extradition treaty yes, of course. Not if there is a chance of the death penalty. Not sure where your country is. 

EU

[giddyup]

15 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

i wonder why he is being "uncooperative" personally this case is very fishy, he allegedly just meets this girl then kills and dismembers her, what's the motive? most likely a jealous ex boyfriend involved

Does there have to be a motive?

[jacko45k]

Just now, dennnis said:

EU

EU is not a country and I believe it depends on individual agreements.

Currently, the following countries have extradition treaties with Thailand: the US, the UK, Canada, China, Belgium, Philippines, Indonesia, Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia, South Korea, Bangladesh, Fiji, and Australia.

[Bluespunk]

14 minutes ago, dennnis said:

EU

Well

 

A:  The EU is not a country. 
 

B: If it was (which it isn’t), he was deported from territory within the EU. 

Edited July 13, 2021 by Bluespunk

[mikosan]

7 hours ago, rodknock said:

well at least Thailand has not exacuted any one in many years.

the bad part is if he is sentenced to death he might wish they did that the way things are in prison.

probably to late for covid vaccination.

He would not have been extradited unless they had given a written guarantee that he would not face the death penalty.

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, Inala said:

Well, it's not really an assessment, I just asked a few reasonable questions. But yeah, I have since read up on the case and it seems there is DNA evidence that was not mentioned in this article.

There is DNA and other evidence the stones that weighted the body down similar to those he bought and the fact that he was in Kanchanaburi brought by a taxi van with the girl in question.

 

Plus I don't know why people assume that the police releases all details. That would be stupid then during questioning you can't shock the suspect as he then can prepare for the questions.

 

I think we should give the courts that reviewed the evidence a lot more creditability then the people on this forum speculating. Its not as if all those courts (not just 1) have not reviewed the evidence and think it warrants a trial. These were European courts not Thai ones. So a higher standard.

 

 

[mikosan]

1 hour ago, Misterwhisper said:

Exactly. You have made very good points, particularly with the transportation issue.

 

But even if he HAS prior convictions for violence, some CCTV footage showing him with the victim proves nothing.

 

The Mirror article talks about an "extensive case file" but doesn't go into detail.

- Was the crime scene identified and can it be tied to the suspect?

- Did the suitcase belong to the suspect and how was that proven?

- Has the vehicle transporting the dismembered body been identified and has evidence been secured?

- Are there witnesses that have seen the suspect in Kanchanaburi?

- And, and, and...

To cover those points and more would require a proper and thorough investigation.  I doubt that has happened.  That said, I imagine they would have to provide enough evidence for a prima facie case.

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, mikosan said:

To cover those points and more would require a proper and thorough investigation.  I doubt that has happened.  That said, I imagine they would have to provide enough evidence for a prima facie case.

I don't get why everyone is thinking that there has not been a good investigation. 

 

Plus the transportation has been proven.

 

Also why would the police release all evidence to newspapers. They don't not even in Thailand its standard procedure to keep some evidence hidden to use during questioning. If you give out all evidence then suspects can prepare replies that are plausible instead of having to come up with something on the spot. 

[dennnis]

10 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Well

 

A:  The EU is not a country. 
 

B: If it was (which it isn’t), he was deported from territory within the EU. 

A: ok

 

B: he is not EU citizen

[Mr Meeseeks]

15 minutes ago, robblok said:

There is DNA and other evidence the stones that weighted the body down similar to those he bought and the fact that he was in Kanchanaburi brought by a taxi van with the girl in question.

He bought stones from the local stone shop. 

 

8 minutes ago, robblok said:

I don't get why everyone is thinking that there has not been a good investigation. 

Because Thai Police.

[Bluespunk]

9 minutes ago, dennnis said:

A: ok

 

B: he is not EU citizen

True, but the uk would still have extradited him-assuming certain conditions were met. 
 

Edited July 13, 2021 by Bluespunk

[Mr Meeseeks]

9 minutes ago, robblok said:

I don't get why everyone is thinking that there has not been a good investigation. 

 

Plus the transportation has been proven.

 

Also why would the police release all evidence to newspapers. They don't not even in Thailand its standard procedure to keep some evidence hidden to use during questioning. If you give out all evidence then suspects can prepare replies that are plausible instead of having to come up with something on the spot. 

All the evidence appears to be circumstantial.

 

There's no motive, and no direct evidence that he committed the crime. 

 

While I agree that there is definitely a chance the guy is guilty, the onus is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

He bought stones from the local stone shop. 

 

Because Thai Police.

Sure the Thai police is not always competent but when you present a case to an European court even the Thai police will do a better job.

 

About the stones, local shop where. Hua hin or Kanchanaburi ? if Hua Hin then that evidence would be strange given that he traveled with her while she was alive to Kanchanaburi. If in Kanchanaburi then its really damming evidence. 

 

I read about the stones but never where they were bought.

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

All the evidence appears to be circumstantial.

 

There's no motive, and no direct evidence that he committed the crime. 

 

While I agree that there is definitely a chance the guy is guilty, the onus is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. 

Plenty of cases that are just circumstantial end up convicted. IF enough circumstantial evidence is there its enough. Its not as if they always find a gun / knife and the exact location. But often with circumstantial evidence they can prove it. I mean if you add it all together it is almost impossible to deny. (not saying this is the case here)

 

But I wonder what the European courts know what we don't because I certainly don't believe that even the Thai police is stupid enough to publicize all their evidence giving any suspect a heads up on questions. 

 

As for motive it can be as easy as an argument that got out of hand and he accidentally killed her. 

 

The notion that one cannot be convicted on circumstantial evidence is, of course, false. Most criminal convictions are based on circumstantial evidence, although it must be adequate to meet established standards of proof.

 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/circumstantial-evidence

Edited July 13, 2021 by robblok

[jacko45k]

3 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

While I agree that there is definitely a chance the guy is guilty, the onus is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. 

To the satisfaction of a judge.... don't forget where this will happen.

[dutchweller]

2 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

I've sat chatting with convicted murderers in Bangkok bars (on more than several occasions, and with different people) and didn't have a clue what they were capable of until I either read in the news that they had been arrested or saw arrest warrants on interpol or similar sites. 

 

I also met a convicted murderer in Pattaya who had served his sentence in the UK and was living as an expat with a small business. 

 

People aren't always what they appear to be, especially in Thailand. 

I am 100% convinced I sat next to one of James Patrick Bulgers child murderer as an adult after he were released and relocated to Perth Australia.

Even creepier is there was a speight of attempted child abduction in the area then news he had been re arrested after a sting operation and he was caught with child porn and abuse images he was then extradited.

[Surelynot]

Looker looks guilty to me.