Thailand reports daily record of 16,533 new coronavirus cases

[ourmanflint]

4 hours ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

my conclusions after 15 months of observing and studying the corona situation are two:

 

1. lockdowns do not work, because you cannot lock the whole country forever, lockdowns are

only good for helping the system to gain time and to organise.

 

2. vaccines do work, but not in reducing infections. vaccines are good for preventing hard symptoms.

 

3. thailand should look at mexico and do as mexico did. open all country NOW and accept 20-40 thousands covid deaths a year, until full vaccinations.

otherwise, the death toll from broken ecobomy will be much higher.

Have you ever thought about a career in politics?

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

Since he is always wrong, I am now expecting disaster in the UK and a significant increase in cases in September.   

Bookmarked............

[anchadian]

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

Amusingly, just a few days earlier 1200 scientists backed a letter to the Lancet suggesting that the UK unlocking was a threat to the world.   Professor Ferguson, the man who claimed Bird flu could kill 150m worldwide (actual number just 282) and who ridiculously still has his job advising the government there, stated that unlocking would inevitably lead to 100,000 cases a day and would likely reach 200,000 a day.   I suspect they all wish they had waited a few more days before raising their concerns.    Worryingly, Neil Ferguson has plugged some new numbers into his modelling machine and now he says it will be over by September.    Since he is always wrong, I am now expecting disaster in the UK and a significant increase in cases in September.   

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/16/englands-covid-unlocking-a-threat-to-the-world-experts-say

I would suggest therefore, you contact the UK PM immediately in order he can take the necessary action.

[trainman34014]

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Both the vaccination program and this entire administration continue to be a massive failure. A boil on the face of the nation, for all to see. 

 

Why don't they close these big factories? Pineapple plants, chicken processing, etc. If they can close countless small businesses, why not close the super clusters? Are they that transparent in their desire to continue protecting the super rich, at all costs? Is this not a national emergency? Have they no shame or dignity? 

The answer to your final question is....they have neither !

[James105]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Bookmarked............

That part was a joke.   I'm just grateful the UK held the line and didn't reverse course on opening up as if they had gone back to increased restriction, as was the goal of this pressure, then the "lockdown" would once again be getting credit for the virus naturally declining.    What we have instead is delicious example of how all those that claim lockdowns are the only solution have been proved completely and utterly wrong.   

[DaveSamutP]

Praying for the country ???????? 

[anchadian]

2 minutes ago, DaveSamutP said:

Praying for the country ???????? 

A lot more than prayers are needed.  

 

As someone used to say 'A fine mess you've gotten us into'.

[Cake Monster]

5 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Who is the one that will accept the failure, surely not the PM as he has already blamed the public for the spread and stated just how well his handling went last year.  No, you can not make this stuff up, it is the reality of what they have created by a dismal vaccine roll-out and horrible planning that they are sure to blame each province for.  No one at the top will take responsibility except for those forced to do so who are at a lower level in Government and made to take the fall.  The buck stops at the top and I mean the top PM.

There is an old saying that says " you cannot kick S22T uphill in a crisis "

[John Drake]

4 hours ago, The Cipher said:

A million in a population the size of Thailand is a little steep. I try and keep it within 1% of beginning pop.

 

Change that number to 700,000 and my response would be "hell yes, where do I sign?"

Yes, just imagine that scene of the two little girls yesterday who watched their single parent mother die and were left on the sidewalk with their bundle of clothes until the authorities could come and get them. Times that by 700,000. 

Edited July 28, 2021 by John Drake

[ourmanflint]

I wonder how many Thai's go around saying "let's just get on with it and so what if thousands of people die"? 

The arrogance on display here at times is mind boggling. People come first, not business, and not the economy, Thailand should do all it can to protect and save as many people as it can from serious illness and death, no matter the cost to the economy as a whole.

Economies can bounce back, but they cannot bounce back without people. Those clamouring for an end to lockdowns for their own personal benefit are some seriously messed up individuals. 

 

[malibukid]

6 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

The Channel 7 news is discussing the complete and utter chaos in the original Que lines at Bang Sue with so many people crammed in together at the start of the que.  The people interviewed were grateful to being able to get vaccinated.  Additionally they are talking about the App for making appointments for those 18 and above, but the caveat seems that it is geared towards Thais......why can they not roll out an app and registration for all people who live in Thailand regardless of nationality.  This has all the trappings of a Christmas dinner served up to everyone except the help.

what happened to the vaccine donated by the U.S?  i though some of which would be set aside for dirty Farang?

[Jimbo2014]

Getting that sinking feeling ????

 

[crazykopite]

I reckon you can put another 5000+ on that figure they are the ones out in the sticks who cannot get tested as they don’t have the means or money to travel long distances to the hospital only to be told they cannot be tested

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, retsdon said:

Looking at the pics of people queuing for vaccines like a football crowd it's quite obvious that the whole operation is an utter shambles. 

Disagree. The shambolic nature is because once again the idiots forecasted what they are going to do i.e. stop walkins and make it appointment only. Same thing with the workers camps in BKK which led to, accelerated or both the spread of Sars-Cov-2 to the provinces. The people on the ground there organizing things did a very good job. Unfortunately the idiots at the top have absolutely no foresight. That's where the shambles is. 

[James105]

2 minutes ago, ourmanflint said:

I wonder how many Thai's go around saying "let's just get on with it and so what if thousands of people die"? 

The arrogance on display here at times is mind boggling. People come first, not business, and not the economy, Thailand should do all it can to protect and save as many people as it can from serious illness and death, no matter the cost to the economy as a whole.

Economies can bounce back, but they cannot bounce back without people. Those clamouring for an end to lockdowns for their own personal benefit are some seriously messed up individuals. 

 

I imagine all of the ones that currently have no income, no savings and no financial support from the government will be wanting to open things up as the chances of dying from starvation/poverty are a much bigger concern than covid when you have no money.    So probably millions of them.   If you had no savings, no income and no financial support from anywhere would you still want lockdown?   Be honest.  

[British Bulldog]

5 hours ago, anchadian said:

Spaced out chairs for all from start to finish, moving from one chair to the other, not standing in queues where social distancing is impossible.  A bit like musical chairs. 

 

That would solve the problem.

This is how we do it in Vientiane, rows of seats 3m's apart in some cases ... during the severe lock down periods, we opened up large shopping malls that had been closed (Yes we have them ...) and turned them into vaccination centers, they even turned the air-con on for a bit of extra comfort ... all were welcomed, Falangs, Lao's and alike, by appointment or not appointment, everybody got served ... safely !

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, anchadian said:

Phetchabun identified a sugar factory There are more than 90 employees infected. The province ordered the immediate closure of the village lockdown.

 

On July 28, the people of Si Thep District were in a state of panic. after report More than 90 employees at Thai Rung Rueng Industrial Plant, Village No. 9, Si Thep Subdistrict, Si Thep District, has been infected with more than 90 cases, while there is a list of 6 villages in high -risk monitoring areas in Si Thep District, and more than 100 people have contaminated. Identified as a patient living with a factory worker Therefore, it was designated as a high -risk monitoring area. 

 

https://newsfounded.com/thailandeng/phetchabun-ordered-closure-of-sugar-factories-lockdown-villages-more-than-90-employees-were-infected/

More and more clusters like this will be found.  Many have been trying to keep their factories open and keep the money train going forward.  Unfortunately some of these factories do not have places for people to live and stay on site and they come from the surrounding villages.  Not hard to understand why they have been holding things close to the vest.  Anecdotal evidence would say that we are just now starting to see the underbelly of the beast and it is not looking good.  Stay safe folks and do what's needed to protect your loved ones.  My GF had a worrisome call from her 7 year old who is being treated in a hospital as it appears she is needing supplemental oxygen now.

[ChrisKC]

Its a bit scary, isn't it?

 

For me personally:.

 

An appointment out of the blue

 

A vaccination from China

 

And the status of my importance as a foreigner a little elevated. 

 

More so after arriving this morning and given a number 691 believing on a long wait but soon fast-tracked to number 112 (then only 5 minutes more) as I was considered an important foreigner.

Really? Yes, to the extent that at my point of being pricked (Hold it there, Nurse!) I was surrounded by officials and well-wishers and many photos and even a video being made by the Military with me featuring therein.

 

I didn't like the idea of being pushed in early but...

 

The atmosphere had a very warm-feeling and the whole show seemed to be very well organised with upwards of a thousand people there.

 

My second shot of Astra Zeneca is in only three weeks

 

I have been home for about three hours (now 14.30) and no side-affects of any kind yet.

 

Good luck to all those seeking vaccination

 

If you are an anti-Vaxxer you will feel more of a pri*k than I did!

 

Edited July 28, 2021 by ChrisKC
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[RubbaJohnny]

Overcrowded Bang Sue, prisoner releases, allowing tourists in , epsilon, lamda and sometime Mu Nu one day Songkhran, it's as if there is a huge Darwinian field trial of the gullible and cullable..

 

The crowded work places makes you wnder if teh low paid prawn and chciken workers are seen as expendable and easily replaced as the food.It's almost as if money were more important than fellow humans.

[flexomike]

13 minutes ago, malibukid said:

what happened to the vaccine donated by the U.S?  i though some of which would be set aside for dirty Farang?

Not due in until tomorrow

[Caldera]

Quite shocking that today's high number still doesn't even include any Phetchabun factory cluster cases.

[wensiensheng]

1 hour ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

well i am not a sceintist; i am just a sandboxer who stay in phuket and shocked

from the level of destruction of the place. most shops are closed forever.

most hotels are empty. completly.

so it is clear for me that many lives were lost here, and not from corona.

gone are the days of stopping the dirty farang at bay.

now the right thing to do is to open the country to all kinds of tourist, just

like many other countries did, spain; portugal, brazil, even south africa.

Ah. A couple of points then.

 

1. When you say many lives were lost, do you actually mean livelihoods? If the former, do you have statistics to prove the point? If the latter, no need statistics, I can see for myself when I visit Kata.

 

2. When you say open the country to tourists, does that mean that you are not advocating opening up the country in terms of removing Covid restrictions, just opening the borders to tourism? Two very different things and I think most who read your previous posts took you as meaning  the former, certainly I did.

Edited July 28, 2021 by wensiensheng

[Rimmer]

Posts denigrating and calling Chinese vaccines useless and referring to it with derogatory names have been removed.

Whilst it may be less effective in certain cases ie Delta strain it is by no means useless.

At the end of the day this is a Thai government sponsored vaccine and the forum and or yourself can get in trouble for comments like this so stop it.

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

i am saying the lockdowns are finishing thailand.

i am saying mexico never locked down.

 

Mexico has under double the population of Thailand and has 60x the number of deaths. Round figures Thailand 4,400, Mexico 238,000. Sweden similar thing. 1/7 the popoulation of Thailand but >3x the deaths. It's always been a delicate balance between economy and health of the population but basically it seems you would sacrifice the health and lives of the popⁿ for the economy. It is of course a false economy because long term the economy is damaged harder. 

[Dogmatix]

17 minutes ago, British Bulldog said:

This is how we do it in Vientiane, rows of seats 3m's apart in some cases ... during the severe lock down periods, we opened up large shopping malls that had been closed (Yes we have them ...) and turned them into vaccination centers, they even turned the air-con on for a bit of extra comfort ... all were welcomed, Falangs, Lao's and alike, by appointment or not appointment, everybody got served ... safely !

Nearly all the reported cases in Laos at the moment are Lao workers escaping from Thailand. It probably won't be long before community transmission starts up again. 

[Dogmatix]

Someone told me that vaccine certificates showing the Thai made AZ are not accepted in some countries, just like the EU rejects the Indian made AZ.

[henry213]

Well done Thailand great job! ????

 

[Dogmatix]

Yesterday Mor Prom reported only 75,000 vaccinations down nationwide.  Must be some severe supply disruptions, as they normally average 200-300k  on week days.  I guess most of those 75,000 were done at Mor Prom jiudging from the photographs.

[edwinchester]

2 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

I was told that this chaos is partly due to people from Central provinces, which have shortages of vaccines, flocking to Bangkok in the hope of getting shots at Bang Sue as walk-ins. I can't verify how true this is but someone said his relatives from one of the Khao Yai provinces went there as vaccine appointments in the surrounding districts had been cancelled.   

Yes, people from our village in Kanchanaburi wanted to go too but when they saw the pics cancelled their trip into Bangkok.

[wensiensheng]

41 minutes ago, James105 said:

That part was a joke.   I'm just grateful the UK held the line and didn't reverse course on opening up as if they had gone back to increased restriction, as was the goal of this pressure, then the "lockdown" would once again be getting credit for the virus naturally declining.    What we have instead is delicious example of how all those that claim lockdowns are the only solution have been proved completely and utterly wrong.   

You manage to extrapolate that conclusion from 6 days of declining cases and in an environment where a high proportion of the population is vaccinated? And the Uk did have a hard national lockdown for months. So how can using the UK as an example, lead you to the conclusion that lockdowns are not the only solution?

 

isn’t it the case that the UK used a lockdown to suppress a rampant virus that caused over 120k deaths, whist rolling out a highly effective vaccine program? It seems to me that a lockdown was an integral part of that successful strategy (assuming it’s judged to be successful) and as a consequence can now open their economy.

 

I’m sorry, your own quoted example seems to prove the case that unless a vaccination program is pre prepared and rolled out within weeks of a virus appearing, a lockdown is absolutely necessary. In fact, the UK showed what happens without a lockdown through its 120k deaths, and then showed how to properly use a lockdown in conjunction with vaccines and hence, it is now opening up.

 

the biggest problem that I see with lockdowns is that they are mostly used at the wrong time and in the wrong way. By which I mean that they are implemented too late and in small increments. The result is that they last a long time and are less effective, thereby causing more pain and suffering than need be the case. People will argue against them on principle, but the above is my personal view.