Why should I inject a vaccine that could kill me when I have no risk to be sick with covid ? A Thai boy told me, what can I reply him to push for vaccination ?

[Jeffr2]

21 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You're jumping the gun with your vaccine enthusiasm. One person on advisory panel declined to vote. hmm

https://www.voanews.com/a/fda-advisory-panel-recommends-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-for-children-5-11-years-old/6287630.html

One.  Out of 17.  And they didn't vote no.  You're grasping here big time.

[EVENKEEL]

13 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

One.  Out of 17.  And they didn't vote no.  You're grasping here big time.

As are you saying kids are already being vaccinated. The one declined to vote. You're saying falsehoods in the name of enthusiasm about kids already being vaccinated.

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

anti- vaxxers always distortedly claiming some tiny silly process “imperfection” , seeking out the tiniest perceived crack in settled scientific findings, to pock at. like earth’s age being claimed as “unknown” by pseud crackpots because scientific findings have a 0.0002 % or so difference. ludicrous.

[Jeffr2]

11 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

As are you saying kids are already being vaccinated. The one declined to vote. You're saying falsehoods in the name of enthusiasm about kids already being vaccinated.

What?  Please, read my post again.  Not sure what you're replying to.

[thaicookingchef]

yes he shouldn't jab because if he didn't need it until now, it means that he won't need it later ! and if his grand parents are not yet dead, it's thanks to Buddha !!

 

[LA8RAT]

This was quite an interesting article in the daily mail yesterday. 

 

300 new vaccines in development worldwide, in the hope that in years to come they hope to finally stop transmission by jabbed people. 

 

https://mol.im/a/10141271

[LA8RAT]

2 hours ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

anti- vaxxers always distortedly claiming some tiny silly process “imperfection” , seeking out the tiniest perceived crack in settled scientific findings, to pock at. like earth’s age being claimed as “unknown” by pseud crackpots because scientific findings have a 0.0002 % or so difference. ludicrous.

It seems there are some strange widely held views in America.

 

4 in 10 belive the world was created less than 10,000 years ago

Americans consistently report high levels of belief in the supernatural. About 80 percent of Americans believe in miracles and three-quarters believe in the virgin birth of Jesus, according to a 2013 Pew survey.

 

At the same time, while most Americans have a healthy respect for science, many could use a refresher course in the basics. For instance, a 2014 National Science Foundation study found that only three out of four Americans know that the Earth revolves around the sun and not vice versa, and a large percentage didn't know the Earth's core was hot. Large percentages didn't know that the father's sperm determines a baby's sex.

 

https://www.livescience.com/46123-many-americans-creationists.html

 

Quite a lot of flat earthers as well. 

 

YouGov polled 8,215 US adults on February 8th, 2018 to get a representative idea of America's views on the shape of the Earth. What they found would make any scientist shake their heads, a surprising percentage of responders weren't convinced the Earth is round.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/04/04/only-two-thirds-of-american-millennials-believe-the-earth-is-round/?sh=64f792697ec6

 

Just saying. 

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

la8rat: incredibly large numbers of clear pseudo crackpot beliefs. what on earth do they teach at high schools there ? and what explains the bizarre paradox between this and USA having 15/ 20 best universities worldwide (other 5/20 in UK) ? i would and have initially encouraged such blind fools to start being rational by simply reading the clear & simple Wikipedia definitions of Pseudo - Science, Conspiracy Theories and Debunking.

[Jeffr2]

2 hours ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

la8rat: incredibly large numbers of clear pseudo crackpot beliefs. what on earth do they teach at high schools there ? and what explains the bizarre paradox between this and USA having 15/ 20 best universities worldwide (other 5/20 in UK) ? i would and have initially encouraged such blind fools to start being rational by simply reading the clear & simple Wikipedia definitions of Pseudo - Science, Conspiracy Theories and Debunking.

And thus the problem were in. Boggles the mind.

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9 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Give it to your kid and get back to me. I'll bet you'll tell me you don't have a young one but you'll tell me it's all good. No thanks.

Because having a child means you're more liable to think rationally?

[Jeffr2]

9 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

As are you saying kids are already being vaccinated. The one declined to vote. You're saying falsehoods in the name of enthusiasm about kids already being vaccinated.

Just met with my 14 year old niece. Got first Pfizer jab and is soo happy. Everyone in her school wants the jab. Everyone. I guess only kids with foreign parents are having second thoughts.

[EVENKEEL]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Just met with my 14 year old niece. Got first Pfizer jab and is soo happy. Everyone in her school wants the jab. Everyone. I guess only kids with foreign parents are having second thoughts.

Thailand does things their own way, mix and match. Not known to think for themselves.

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Because having a child means you're more liable to think rationally?

Love the way childless people spew advice to parents. 

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44 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Love the way childless people spew advice to parents. 

You know objectively as much about my parental status as I do about yours. In other words,  nothing. As for the children who were part of the test groups, are they all orphans? Or were they hatched from test tubes? The flaw in your self-aggrandizing claim to special authority on the issue is so large that a baby carriage big enough to contain quintuplets could pass through it.

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[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You know objectively as much about my parental status as I do about yours. As for the children who were part of the test groups, are they all orphans? Or were they hatched from test tubes? The flaw in your self-aggrandizing claim to special authority on the issue is so large that a baby carriage big enough to contain quintuplets could pass through it.

Not my problem if you take my one liner personal.

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2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Not my problem if you take my one liner personal.

I guess since you've got nothing, you try and make it personal. It does nothing to hide the gaping hole in your reasoning.

[Salerno]

54 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Love the way childless people spew advice to parents. 

Love the way people that have reproduced think they know better than scientists/doctors/experts in the field.

[EVENKEEL]

53 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I guess since you've got nothing, you try and make it personal. It does nothing to hide the gaping hole in your reasoning.

It hasn't even been approved, guess the majority of American parents feel the same as me.

 

https://newyorklatestnews.com/poll-27-of-parents-give-their-children-the-5-11-vaccine-immediately/319834/

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2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

It hasn't even been approved, guess the majority of American parents feel the same as me.

 

https://newyorklatestnews.com/poll-27-of-parents-give-their-children-the-5-11-vaccine-immediately/319834/

And this proves what exactly? That being emotionally involved makes for more level-headed assessments of risk?

[EVENKEEL]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

And this proves what exactly? That being emotionally involved makes for more level-headed assessments of risk?

Wow, deflection 101. As I said before you have nothing to lose by being a vaccine enthusiast for 5 yr olds. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10135699/Experts-urge-UK-steer-clear-vaccinating-children-moves-closer-jabbing-FIVE-year-olds.html

Edited October 29, 2021 by EVENKEEL

[Jeffr2]

10 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Thailand does things their own way, mix and match. Not known to think for themselves.

At least in Khorat, children are only getting Pfizer. Spoke with her at length about this last night. She doesn't know anyone who doesn't want the vaccine. They are super excited about getting it.

 

I guess only kids with farang parents are having the problems.

[Jeffr2]

Another reason taken away for not getting the jab. Anti vaxxers world is getting smaller and smaller. LOL

 

https://www.statnews.com/2021/10/29/fda-pfizer-vaccine-covid19-children/

 

FDA authorizes Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine for children aged 5 to 11

[Scott]

Inflammatory, troll post and replies reported and removed.  

 

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

At least in Khorat, children are only getting Pfizer. Spoke with her at length about this last night. She doesn't know anyone who doesn't want the vaccine. They are super excited about getting it.

 

I guess only kids with farang parents are having the problems.

She's five is she as that's what's being argued. Thai parents aren't known for thinking for themselves. Your argument seems to be monkey see, monkey do. My little girl is learning to think for herself.

 

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10135699/Experts-urge-UK-steer-clear-vaccinating-children-moves-closer-jabbing-FIVE-year-olds.html

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Another reason taken away for not getting the jab. Anti vaxxers world is getting smaller and smaller. LOL

 

https://www.statnews.com/2021/10/29/fda-pfizer-vaccine-covid19-children/

 

FDA authorizes Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine for children aged 5 to 11

You seem to think the FDA is god, try reading.

 

Before the vaccine becomes widely available, it will also need to be recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The decision on that recommendation is made after a meeting of an expert committee, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, or ACIP. The CDC director must then approve ACIP’s recommendations. That committee is scheduled to meet on Nov. 2.

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5 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Wow, deflection 101. As I said before you have nothing to lose by being a vaccine enthusiast for 5 yr olds. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10135699/Experts-urge-UK-steer-clear-vaccinating-children-moves-closer-jabbing-FIVE-year-olds.html

Once again, your bias blinds you to the fact it that it could just as sensibly, or rather non sensibly, that you have nothing to lose. Or that your bias, in the face of evidence to the contrary, makes you exaggerate the risk and minimize the downside of not getting your alleged child vaccinated.

When 16 out of 17 experts approved the use of it and 1 abstained, you focused on that one abstention. But when 27% of parents, are in favor of getting their children vaccinated, that doesn't count.

As for that article, was that drawn from a representative poll of experts? Or did the daily mail  seek out only those opposed to such a measure? 

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[Jeffr2]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

She's five is she as that's what's being argued. Thai parents aren't known for thinking for themselves. Your argument seems to be monkey see, monkey do. My little girl is learning to think for herself.

 

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10135699/Experts-urge-UK-steer-clear-vaccinating-children-moves-closer-jabbing-FIVE-year-olds.html

 

 

Maybe the Thai parents you hang out with, not the ones I know. Several are medical professionals.

 

Daily Mail? Jeez. You sure gravitate towards dodgy outlets looking for dodgy articles. At least it did say this.

 

Data used to justify the FDA panel's decision showed nearly 180 children would be expected to suffer from myocarditis for every death the vaccine would prevent if the rollout went ahead.

But the side effect would not be expected to cause any deaths. 

The rollout would stop over 200 hospitalisations and a handful of deaths over a six-month period, by comparison.

And the data showed it could stop tens of thousands of infections in the same time.

[Jeffr2]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You seem to think the FDA is god, try reading.

 

Before the vaccine becomes widely available, it will also need to be recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The decision on that recommendation is made after a meeting of an expert committee, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, or ACIP. The CDC director must then approve ACIP’s recommendations. That committee is scheduled to meet on Nov. 2.

You really are anti vax. Looking for anything to diminish the vaccine. Please, give it up. Please.

[gk10012001]

well, try and explain some of the tenets of fallacious reasoning which unfortunately many people unknowingly fall victime to.

 

1:  Asserting the truth in an argument.

2:  Proceeding from a false assumption. 

3:  Stacking the argument.

[gk10012001]

12 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

You really are anti vax. Looking for anything to diminish the vaccine. Please, give it up. Please.

And you are pro vax, and looking for anything to amplify the vaccine. Please give it up.  Please