Thailand reports record high of coronavirus infections and deaths

[Captor]

37 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Ya, I didn't say UK cases were rising. I said the UK had more new cases than Thailand (which they do), despite much fewer deaths.

 

The UK has just had a turnaround / down trend in new cases in the past 10 days or so. The latest single day new cases figure for the UK is a bit under 30,000, in contrast to the July 21 peak below, which is based on a 7 day rolling average.

 

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-cases?country=GBR#daily-confirmed-cases-per-million-people

 

The difference is that the UK are able to take care of the sick people. Thailand not. The healthcare system is not sufficient for that. So not worried about the people in the UK but worried about the people in Thailand.

[Kadilo]

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Once again, Thailand has more than twice the number of COVID deaths (178 vs 68) as the UK (two countries with similar populations), even though the UK is reporting significantly more daily cases... Vaccinations, vaccinations and testing, testing:

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/376678277283836/?type=3

 

Are Thailand reporting their numbers in exactly the same way as the UK and using the same criteria?
 

If not any comparisons are worthless. 

[ThailandRyan]

12 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Not much new on the Intervac website, though it looks like BNH Hospital in BKK and maybe Samitiivej Sriracha Hospital in Chonburi  may be new or recently  opened opportunities.

 

And yes, the target groups for now remain foreign nationals age 60 and older, those with the list of 7 chronic conditions, and pregnant women 12 weeks and beyond.

 

 

 

BNH here in BKK is taking appointments now for the first week of August if you can submit the registration as they will contact you rather quickly it appears, but you have to use the link. https://form.jotform.com/212021330826441

 

Same with MedPark

https://www.medparkhospital.com/en/page/covid19-vaccine-expats

Looks like MedPprks is still unavailable but word is it will go online soon.

 

and Samithivej Sriracha Hospital, Chonburi 
Pre-registration: https://www.samitivejsriracha.com/article-detail/?lang=en&type=article&id=1119

Edited July 31, 2021 by ThailandRyan

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

12 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Are Thailand reporting their numbers in exactly the same way as the UK and using the same criteria?

 

So which is it, then, in your opinion, if you don't think the comparison based on their actual current fatality statistics are valid:

 

--Is Thailand overcounting its true number of COVID deaths to make itself look worse than it really is?

 

or

 

--Is the UK undercounting its true number of COVID deaths to make itself look better, even though many skeptics in the UK have long claimed the government there had too broad a definition of a COVID death?

 

Edited July 31, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

BNH here in BKK is taking appointments now for the first week of August if you can submit the registration as they will contact you rather quickly it appears, but you have to use the link. https://form.jotform.com/212021330826441

 

Same with MedPark

https://www.medparkhospital.com/en/page/covid19-vaccine-expats

 

and 

 

Samithivej Sriracha Hospital, Chonburi 
     Pre-registration: https://www.samitivejsriracha.com/article-detail/?lang=en&type=article&id=1119

 

I think that's pretty much what I wrote!  ????

 

[Kadilo]

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

So which is it, then, in your opinion:

 

--Is Thailand overcounting its true number of COVID deaths to make itself look worse than it really is?

 

or

 

--Is the UK undercounting its true number of COVID deaths to make itself look better, even though many skeptics in the UK have long claimed the government there had too broad a definition of a COVID death?

 

 

 

 

I have no idea. 

I was asking the question whether or  not the two countries are recording the numbers identically using the same parameters. 
 

On one hand people on here are claiming Thailand is not reporting accurately, missing out cluster numbers etc etc then on the next producing comparison graphs with others countries. 
 

So maybe you can answer your own question as you did this particular comparison graph?
 

 

Edited July 31, 2021 by Kadilo

[ThailandRyan]

9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I think that's pretty much what I wrote!  ????

 

I just wanted to make sure people understood they could get pre-registered at least before those sites filled up.

[superal]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I haven't seen anything new as yet from the government on this, but both the local websites of Thai AirAsia and Nok Air appear to show an extension of the domestic flights ban into/out of Bangkok and other red zone airports for at least another week beyond the original Aug. 2 date.

 

AirAsia Thai also has the notice below on their website today saying they "hope" to resume their Thai domestic flights starting from August 9.

 

 

https://www.airasia.com/en/gb

yes , I tried to make a booking from Bangkok to Buriram with Air Asia but nothing available till the 16th August but Nok Air showing 9th August start

[Greenwich Boy]

5 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Attention CHIANG MAI folks!

 

This is the local vaccination opportunity for people who have previously registered that the government mentioned in yesterday's news briefing.

 

"Stay tuned. Today and tomorrow SMS messages will go out from Chiang Mai Public Health Office to notify registered non-Thai nationals of vaccination appointments at McCormick Hospital. The vaccinations will start on Monday and vaccination times will be from 12.00 - 15.00 daily. 200 persons will be vaccinated per day."

 

https://www.facebook.com/covid.int.cm/posts/355086819391046

 

 

Friend of mine here in CM saw a notification on Facebook this morning of walk in jabs for those registered. He turned up at Promenada and got jabbed pretty quickly. Said it was well organised. Thanks for the above info.

[Mr Meeseeks]

1 hour ago, Petey11 said:

Can say that the media suppression is kicking in. My girlfriend posted a personal opinion of the government's inactions on her FB, within a few hours FB had blocked it from view to her friends and public and told her to delete it or face suspension of her account. When people start having their freedom of speech eroded and even true factual reports start getting censored can only mean one thing in my mind, the road to dictatorship. As someone stated in an earlier post, if it's fact why censor it. The more you hide the situation the more complacent people will become.

It has been one since the 2014 coup.

[sawadee1947]

9 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

Absolutely awful. This Indian variant has been horrific. 

 

Out of all this i still don't understand how the virus entered Thailand - is it safe to assume the borders were never secure at any point? The unstable situation in India and Myanmar was probably the route into Thailand. Surely those borders should have been manned with the military. 

And you are soo right. 

I can't understand too how this virus entered Thailand. 

It was strictly forbidden by the Generals. 

Shame on you, nasty virus! 

????

[watthong]

6 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

One shot of any Vaccine is not going to give any protection against the Delta variant.

But 2 Doses stands a chance.

 

Say who? Please stop your (mis-) information, thanks.

[Mr Wong]

I notice that the daily deaths are always around about 1% of the daily infections.

 

Is it then correct to say that if one gets covid then they then have a 1 chance in 100 of dying from covid ?

 

. . . and that the risk of dying increases dramatically with age . .   so for someone 80 plus year old  the odds of dying are more like 1 in 20.

[ThailandRyan]

You need to do your research, One dose does help tremendously.

 

https://theconversation.com/second-dose-of-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-faqs-about-blood-clots-safety-risks-and-symptoms-161587

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/03/delaying-second-astrazeneca-vaccine-dose-does-work-study-shows.html

 

KEY POINTS

• The U.K.’s decision to delay the second shot of the AstraZeneca-University of Oxford coronavirus vaccine has been found to be an effective strategy.
• Oxford researchers found that the Covid vaccine was 76% effective at preventing symptomatic infection for three months after a single dose.
• In fact, the efficacy rate rose with a longer interval between the first and second doses.
• The vaccine is also seen to lower transmission of the virus, a crucial factor in lifting lockdowns.

Edited July 31, 2021 by ThailandRyan

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, Kadilo said:

I have no idea. 

 

On that point, I would agree.  My post above that you took issue with was mainly comparing the COVID DEATHS (not cases) reported between the UK and Thailand, with Thailand having more than twice as many current COVID deaths as the UK, despite both having comparable populations.

 

There's nothing in any of the potential vagaries of how the two countries record COVID deaths that would account for that kind of difference.

 

Edited July 31, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[anchadian]

Phuket and Ko Samui pilot tourism reopenings feel the strain as infection numbers rise on islands

 

The collapse of Thailand’s foreign tourism industry since April 2020 has seen Thailand, a country already experiencing a lower than normal growth level, become the ‘laggard’ economy of Southeast Asia. Hence the scrambling of efforts this week, during a worsening virus outbreak, to try to save the Phuket Sandbox and the Samui Plus initiative which are seen as the road back for the kingdom’s vital foreign tourism industry without which its economy cannot hope to recover.

 

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2021/07/31/phuket-ko-samui-tourist-pilots-on-edge/

[wensiensheng]

5 hours ago, Stront said:

The study does not bear that out in its numbers, i suggest you look closer.  The vaccinated were 1.4 times more likely to be hospitalized than the unvaccinated in that study.  AND no one died in EITHER group.

The study did say this I notice:

 

 

“The CDC also said the data has limitations. The agency noted that as population-level vaccination coverage increases, vaccinated persons are likely to represent a larger proportion of Covid cases. Additionally, asymptomatic breakthrough infections might be underrepresented because of detection bias, the agency said.

The CDC also said the report is “insufficient” to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of the authorized vaccines against Covid, including the delta variant, during this outbreak.”

 

[2009]

3 hours ago, geisha said:

Thé government missed the boat ! Instead of investing in vaccins as early as possible, they took a chance, not wanting to invest money. They clearly don’t understand pandemic. When you have a few cases, you can handle the situation, with 20. 000 cases a day , that means that those 20 000 have infected how many more, and as the numbers grow the situation worsens every minute of the day. As hardly anyone is vaccinated, that is where it gets out of hand and that’s where pandemonium sets it. 

There really wasn't enough for every country (or even half) in the world regardless of how early the bought the vaccines.

 

The UK bought them even before the existed and the UK still isn't fully vaccinated.

 

Don't you get how shortages work?

 

Thailand protected itself well in 2020 with a speedy lockdown, canceling flights from Wuhan and other areas, giving out masks, hand sanitizer everywhere, temperature checks all over the place, not to mention social distancing very well.

 

Unlike people in the UK who were dropping like flies because the government couldn't provide masks, and the people didn't want to wear them anyway. They wanted to bury their heads in the sand, carry on as normal, go to the beach, have a party.

 

[dinsdale]

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I'm a much derided optimist on this daily thread, but the idea of the lockdown continuing for a year or "maybe more" is unduly (and ridiculously) pessimistic!  Do you really think Thailand could survive that?

Thailand is well and truly in the ****. One has to be positive in times of desperation. One should never deny someone that. Not seeing reality is another thing completly. Brewster I put you in the former. Chin up mate. Long ride to go yet. The psuedo lockdowns are do nothing, vaccinations are a joke and this will take a very long time to turn things around. I'm not being unduly or ridiculously pesimistic I'm being realistic. Mr. Empty head said 'we' have to take a gamble. When this fool said this I said on here what happens if you lose the bet. We are now seeing that. Of course the fool has gambled with the country and the health and the wealth (except for his mates whom I sure have done very nicely out of this) of the country and the citizens and has lost on a grand scale. I say one has to be positive in times of desperation but it's not easy.

[Kadilo]

19 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

On that point, I would agree.  My post above that you took issue with was mainly comparing the COVID DEATHS (not cases) reported between the UK and Thailand, with Thailand having more than twice as many current COVID deaths as the UK, despite both having comparable populations.

 

There's nothing in any of the potential vagaries of how the two countries record COVID deaths that would account for that kind of difference.

 

No need for the patronising stuff. I never took issues with anything. I quite simply asked a question as I am unaware of how Thailand reports all their  numbers compared to the UK

 

If you don’t want to be asked to clarify something then stop putting yourself up as some kind of forum expert. 
 

Your previous comment was not just about the number of deaths, you also said 

 

‘Once again, Thailand has more than twice the number of COVID deaths (178 vs 68) as the UK (two countries with similar populations), even though the UK is reporting significantly more daily cases..’

 

Hence my question re are they both using the same criteria for reporting both new cases and deaths. Maybe I should have been clearer. 
 

Clearly you believe they are reporting the numbers the same way hence why you did a comparison chart. 
 

 

 

Edited July 31, 2021 by Kadilo

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

You need to do your research, One dose does help tremendously.

 

 

What I've seen indicates that one dose only of the AZ vaccine has only a relatively small degree of effectiveness (I believe they're talking below about symptomatic infection) against the Delta variant.

 

60% after two AZ doses against symptomatic infection from Delta, but only 33% after the first dose alone.  60% overall isn't great, but 33% with a single dose only is even worse!

"Is the Oxford/AstaZeneca vaccine effective against the Delta variant of coronavirus?

Yes, the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is effective against the Delta variant, as long as you have both doses. A study published by Public Health England (PHE) on 22 May showed that, two weeks after the second dose, the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine offered 60% protection in preventing Covid-19 illness caused by the Delta variant.

 

The same research, conducted between 5 April and 6 May, showed the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is 33% effective against the variant three weeks after the first dose. So it’s really important to get the second dose when you get offered it."

 

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/covid-variant#Boxford

 

Then there was an update of that info in the past week via a New England Journal of Medicine published report:

 

-- the Pfizer vaccine was at least 88% effective against Delta after two doses; the AstraZeneca vaccine was 67% effective (up from the prior 60% figure).

 

--With one dose of Pfizer, the effectiveness ... [was] 30.7% against the Delta variant. Results after one dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine were similar.

 

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210722/study-pfizer-astrazeneca-vaccines-effective-against-delta

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

 

 

Edited July 31, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[edwinchester]

5 hours ago, anchadian said:

Each province's daily domestic COVID-19 cases update in Thailand on Saturday

 

Total: 18,902

 

https://twitter.com/NBTWORLDNews/status/1421364981119868933

 

Another discrepancy in the Kanchanaburi figures. Those released late last night for Kan show 358 yet only 281 according to the Govt.

 

https://www.facebook.com/276275726406361/posts/733201127380483/?app=fbl

 

[anchadian]

Good news for expats in #Thailand.

The @MFAThai and  @thaimoph

will be launching a new website for foreign residents to register for vaccination at 11:00am on Sunday:

 

http://expatvac.consular.go.th

Thank you Khun

@SangratTanee

for helping expats

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1421445597739982848

 

Thank you, it’s Consular Dept and MOPH and DDC actually.

https://twitter.com/SangratTanee/status/1421447497424142337

 

Edited July 31, 2021 by anchadian

[Paradise Pete]

11 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

What is the testing capacity in Thailand? They aren't doing a million tests a day like in the UK i assume. 

According to this:

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing

 

The Thailand data only goes through July 10th. I don't know why.

 

[anchadian]

An Infographic by

@ktnewsonline

that shows the number of patients in a serious condition (orange), on respirators (red), and who have died (white) between 1st and 31st July #COVID19 #โควิด19 #โควิดวันนี้ #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1421443773712666627

 

[Blumpie]

10 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

What I've seen indicates that one dose only of the AZ vaccine has only a relatively small degree of effectiveness (I believe they're talking below about symptomatic infection) against the Delta variant.

 

60% after two AZ doses against symptomatic infection from Delta, but only 33% after the first dose alone.  60% overall isn't great, but 33% with a single dose only is even worse!

"Is the Oxford/AstaZeneca vaccine effective against the Delta variant of coronavirus?

Yes, the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is effective against the Delta variant, as long as you have both doses. A study published by Public Health England (PHE) on 22 May showed that, two weeks after the second dose, the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine offered 60% protection in preventing Covid-19 illness caused by the Delta variant.

 

The same research, conducted between 5 April and 6 May, showed the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is 33% effective against the variant three weeks after the first dose. So it’s really important to get the second dose when you get offered it."

 

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/covid-variant#Boxford

 

Then there was an update of that info in the past week via a New England Journal of Medicine published report:

 

-- the Pfizer vaccine was at least 88% effective against Delta after two doses; the AstraZeneca vaccine was 67% effective (up from the prior 60% figure).

 

--With one dose of Pfizer, the effectiveness ... [was] 30.7% against the Delta variant. Results after one dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine were similar.

 

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210722/study-pfizer-astrazeneca-vaccines-effective-against-delta

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

 

 

If you haven't read this post you should go back and actually read this.  

There is no BS in it it's simple truth.  

after one dose you are not protected very well.  And it takes time, which is key.  MINIMUM (not shouting) 2 weeks for any effect at all.  Please stop lining up like you're in India and blowing this to happen Thailand authorities.  I've never seen such a ball dropping event in my life.

[riparian]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Kind of strange that even at this late point in the day, the MoPH appears to be reporting two different vaccinations totals for yesterday, as follows:

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/376678323950498/?type=3

 

Perhaps they're just slow in updating their "dashboard" site shown in the first image above. Although, all the other data on their dashboard site for the day has been updated and matches with their reporting elsewhere.

 

 

 

 

 

I can't read Thai but it looks like one dates back to 28th Feb and the other 1st April.

 

I could very well be wrong.

 

[wensiensheng]

2 hours ago, Kadilo said:

Are Thailand reporting their numbers in exactly the same way as the UK and using the same criteria?
 

If not any comparisons are worthless. 

Perhaps you meant to say that any comparisons need to be framed in the light of some suspicion about the accuracy of the Thai numbers and structural differences such as relative vaccination rates. Bearing that in mind, I don’t regard the comparison as worthless. But maybe you do? That’s ok.

Edited July 31, 2021 by wensiensheng

[wensiensheng]

7 minutes ago, riparian said:

 

I can't read Thai but it looks like one dates back to 28th Feb and the other 1st April.

 

I could very well be wrong.

 

I don’t think it can be. Vaccinations didn’t really start till 7th June.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And if you want some further jitters about the Chinese vaccines and even the AZ, see the following:

 

"Not all vaccines, it has become clear, are created equal. In May 2021, a study published in Nature Medicine made this claim based on the aggregated clinical trial results of seven different Covid-19 vaccines.

 

Using predictive modeling techniques to plot the strength and duration of their immune protection over a theoretical timeline of 250 days, the study’s authors showed that some vaccines dropped to 50 percent efficacy much earlier than others. Leading the pack were Pfizer and Moderna’s mRNA vaccines, which performed at 95 percent efficacy initially and took a full 250 days to fall to 50 percent.

 

The AstraZeneca vaccine rounded out the bottom with 62 percent initial efficacy and a half life of 48 days, though the Sinopharm vaccine fared even worse, having just 50 percent efficacy to begin with.

 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/07/28/a-situation-update-on-covid-19-variants-and-vaccines/