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1 hour ago, Antonymous said:

All the talk here about unvaccinated people being at greater risk than vaxxed of becoming seriously ill and dying after catching Covid Delta variant is not borne out by the published data here:

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001354/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf

 

This very detailed and long report was published by the UK Govt agency entitled ‘Public Health England Technical Briefing 17’ on 25 June 2021.

 

The report revealed (see Table 4) that (among positive cases) double vaxxed people are more likely to die than unvaxxed people.

 

Between 1 Feb 2021 and 21 June 2021 deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid specimen date of the 117 people who DIED, 50 had received 2 doses of vax, 20 had received 1 dose and 3 were ‘unlinked. Only 44 deaths were of unvaxxed people.

 

Let’s put that into context:

 

In total, 70 out of the 27,192 vaccinated individuals in the study died, which is a 0.26% mortality rate.

 

Meanwhile, 44 out of the 53,822 unvaccinated people in the paper died, resulting in a 0.08% mortality.

 

This UK Govt published data shows that vaccinated people are more than 3 times likely to die than those who were not vaxxed.

 

There’s published data from other countries that show similar completely different stats than we are led to believe in the chitter chatter narrative.

 

Don't shoot the messenger. You can read the Govt report.

Is it you own conclusion, or a conclusion of the paper, that double vaxxed people in general are more likely to die from the Delta strain?   

 

To save time, the data is heavily age skewed because older people were vaccinated first in the UK.

• 109 of 118 people who died were in the oldest age bracket, only 8 were aged < 50
•  Only 96 unvaccinated cases were older,  52,846 unvaccinated cases were aged < 50

The vaccinated people died because they were older.

 

If you cannot support your claim, you should retract it. You have failed peer review...

 

1 hour ago, Antonymous said:

I referred to a scientific study published by a UK Govt agency that shows from real data that among positive Covid Delta cases, vaxxed people are more than 3x more likely to die than completely unvaxxed ones.

 

In response you referred me to a non-peer reviewed opinion piece that (clearly) erroneously states:

 

"Given it's not 100 per cent however, by definition this means people who are vaccinated can still be infected. These breakthrough infections are likely to be much less severe than they would have been had the individual not been vaccinated and they are also less likely to pass it on to others."

 

The opinion is not supported by the facts I'm afraid.

In the US, 99.5% of Covid deaths in the last 6 months are among the unvaccinated.

 

You have found one study with a skewed sample. Get over it.

18 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

That might be a fair point if the relationship between strength of lockdown & health outcomes were a straight line, but I rather doubt that it is. Any more than the relationship between vaccination coverage and health outcomes.

The scope and enforcement of a lockdown protects against spread of infections.

 

Vaccination coverage limits the spread of infections, and saves lives while reducing hospitalizations.

 

At least, on my planet. I have no idea what is happening on yours.

Well I can say that in my country we are open.  74 percent vaccinated, 67 percent two shots.  

99.9 percent of all infections now are from unvaccinated people.  : D  Zero patients vaccinated in hospital who were vaccinated.  This is in an area of 4.7 million people.

Jimmy cracked corn and I don't care.  Meaning, I don't care what some goof-ball posted about vaccinated peopled getting sick and more likely to die.  It isn't true but hey, you can lie here and pretend to be a doctor but all the studies, even yesterday which was just released shows that vaccines work incredibly well.  Both in written studies and data from real life.  

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The scope and enforcement of a lockdown protects against spread of infections.

 

Vaccination coverage limits the spread of infections, and saves lives while reducing hospitalizations.

 

At least, on my planet. I have no idea what is happening on yours.

I'm not disagreeing with you. In fact I strongly agree.

 

I'm merely pointing out that the increase in health outcomes does not increase 1-for-1 with either the increase in lockdown measures or, more importantly, with vaccination coverage. In the latter case the evidence to date suggests that, while it's obviously better to have say 50% of your population fully vaxed rather than say 15%, you don't get the spread of infection under control until you have at least 70% coverage and preferably 80% (the so-called herd effect or population immunity).

 

So no need to be unpleasant.

Delta now dominant variant in Thailand with 78.2% found in new cases in most parts of country

The readily transmissible COVID-19 Delta variant, which was first confirmed in Thailand in mid-May in a Thai mother and her 4-year son arriving from Pakistan, has now spread through 74 of Thailand’s 77 provinces, accounting for 78.2% of new infections in the country.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/delta-now-dominant-variant-in-thailand-with-78-2-found-in-new-cases-in-most-parts-of-country/

 

13 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

Well I can say that in my country we are open

Doesn't it have a name? 

I'm AU what's the big secret.

4 minutes ago, Screaming said:

I am over 70 and in very good health. I am absolutely not going to get an experimental Covid vaccine shot. I will take my chances and if I get Covid, I will build up my immune system to fight it.

It's not compulsory so no need to have vaccination if that's your choice.

BTW when are you planning to build up your immune system.

13 minutes ago, Screaming said:

I am over 70 and in very good health. I am absolutely not going to get an experimental Covid vaccine shot. I will take my chances and if I get Covid, I will build up my immune system to fight it.

The only one who really cares is you.  

I support your decision.  

1 hour ago, Rhacsyn said:

On the subject of vaccination below is a first hand report from an ICU physician in the US. It is her view and opinion, there are no numbers but it is what she witnessed and still sees. I have friends in the US who are familiar with the hospital and thankful to the ICU ward.

 

It is not Thailand but certainly relates to the current Covid and vaccine situation.

 

(Apologies for the ads...)

 

https://apple.news/AFaJRQuBFTO6K3onOLmT8tw

 

 

Thats a powerful piece. I notice the anti vaxxers are out today so perhaps they should have a read.

14 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Doesn't it have a name? 

I'm AU what's the big secret.

Well you guys are a long ways from that, LOL!  ????  Canada.  We have 3 provinces completely opening.  Everyone has access to a vaccine and you can get one immediately.  In Manitoba all restrictions are lifting which is the latest province.

 

There is a small percentage that are refusing vaccines, and a group of 12 and under that cannot.  Other than that most are getting it.

 

It's incredible to see what's going on here.   It will happen eventually elsewhere, it's just going to take time.  

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Thats a powerful piece. I notice the anti vaxxers are out today so perhaps they should have a read.

I choose not to worry about them.  

26 minutes ago, Screaming said:

I am over 70 and in very good health. I am absolutely not going to get an experimental Covid vaccine shot. I will take my chances and if I get Covid, I will build up my immune system to fight it.

To late to build up your immune system once you get covid but hey good luck.

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

When you say never shut I am talking about the big lockdown last year. 

I am talking about 2020 until now. 

Bad news coming from Phuket, 65 local cases, four sandbox cases and one new death.

https://www.facebook.com/phuketinfocenter/posts/359213405733842

42 minutes ago, Screaming said:

I am over 70 and in very good health. I am absolutely not going to get an experimental Covid vaccine shot. I will take my chances and if I get Covid, I will build up my immune system to fight it.

Great words for the epitaph on your tombstone.

43 minutes ago, Screaming said:

I am over 70 and in very good health. I am absolutely not going to get an experimental Covid vaccine shot. I will take my chances and if I get Covid, I will build up my immune system to fight it.

And what are you planning to do to protect the people around you or whom you encounter in your daily life? You will be a much greater threat to their health than those who have been fully vaccinated.

Taffy that used to have the Hairy Pie Club in Washington Sq. in Bangkok has passed away from COVID. 

 

Anyone that knew him will confirm he was a scholar and a gent and his bar was iconic. 

10 hours ago, club said:

Bad news for people that paid for Moderna this year from Richard Barrow  Sorry to say, but private hospitals have started to send out cancellation notices to some people that had paid in advance for the Moderna vaccine. People have 7 days to claim a refund. But they add you can reserve a 2nd generation Moderna vaccine due in April 2022  

I registered and paid on the 5th day of roll out for Moderna.

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the amount transferred 4,800.00 Transfer
date 30/06/2021 15:04:00

 

I’m told Bangkok Pattaya Hospital is vaccinating the 60+ age group this week. Apparently quite a few foreigners were vaccinated today which is great to hear. Many others in the queue to be vaccinated. If you have haven’t been vaccinated yet, I hope your turn will come soon.

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1422927567305068547

 

1 hour ago, Molly Malone said:

 

Well come on Molly what have you got to say.?

A post discussing excess deaths in Thailand and quoting percentages had been removed. This is because the post did not include a link to a credible source.

 

A flame post has also been removed.

24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I’m told Bangkok Pattaya Hospital is vaccinating the 60+ age group this week. Apparently quite a few foreigners were vaccinated today which is great to hear. Many others in the queue to be vaccinated. If you have haven’t been vaccinated yet, I hope your turn will come soon.

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1422927567305068547

 

What type of vaccine?

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6 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

What type of vaccine?

No idea? Hopefully AZ for those that want it

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No idea? Hopefully AZ for those that want it

Getting jabbed with AZ is not worth being exposed to the crowded conditions.

1 minute ago, jazzdog32095 said:

Getting jabbed with AZ is not worth being exposed to the crowded conditions.

Did you see the photo on site at the hospital, it was not crowded, no excuse sorry

7 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Where?

I have been confirmed at MedPark for Pfizer 8/13 and also been allocated moderna vaccine of Chularat Hospital Group. for October.  These sellout within a day or two.

hospital Maid Park

3333 Rama IV Road, Klongtoey, Khlong Toei, Bangkok 10110

2 minutes ago, jazzdog32095 said:

I have been confirmed at MedPark for Pfizer 8/13 and also been allocated moderna vaccine of Chularat Hospital Group. for October.  These sellout within a day or two.

hospital Maid Park

3333 Rama IV Road, Klongtoey, Khlong Toei, Bangkok 10110

Good luck 

Perhaps cash refund coming your way.

Time will tell.