Pandemic of the unvaccinated????

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

AZ Full Vax provides 100% Immunity ( Pfizer 96%) against Death or Hospitalization ( Source: US FDA Phase 3 Trials).STOP this anti- vax alarmist fakery nonsense. Scientific Facts & Entire Medical Community Conclusively Support Vax. Unvaxxed are Dying in western hospitals at rates of roughly 33 to 1 vs Vaxxed.

 

No But wait, because that one vaxxed person / 33 does die,we should not get vaxxed….

right…… back to your Meds, Pseudo Science & Conspiracy Theories then…..

OR start to educate yourselves by checking those last two subjects on Wikipedia, to determine your degree of delusion ……….

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

oops, change word “Pfizer” for AZ for that 3rd shot…..

[ozimoron]

22 minutes ago, cclub75 said:

 

That's not the point, even though I agree with you, this "pandemic" is not a killer.

The point you are trying to make is that vaccinations are fruitless and not stopping the infections. The reality is that the delta variant is spreading fast. That is not a reflection on vaccinations and their effectiveness.

The virus IS a killer. Only the vaccines are preventing mass horror as reflected in the numbers and only because 80% are vaccinated. You are trying to spin the stats but you are just spreading misinformation.

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

covid vax already “proven over time”. proven by trials and falling death & case rates.

unvaxed are dropping like flies. approx. 33 deaths for each 1 vaxed death…..

 

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, lucky2008 said:

There you go, thanks! 

I wasn't trying to be hostile. I just wanted to know what quality new sources you get your information from.  

Nothing personal, but I thought you might a been a fan of CNN  ????  Them and Fox are the absolute worst. 

I like Aljazeera sometimes, but if I had to choose only one MSM source I think it would have to be RT.  

Either way, truthful nonbiased journalism is not easy to identify anymore. 
 

 Dr. Brytney Cobia from Alabama wrote a moving letter about holding the hands of those dying from Covid in the hospital where she is a front line worker. They were asking for vaccine even thought it was too late. Your response was to assert that she was a fabrication, that no such doctor existed. The only source for this allegation that I was able to find was some nutter on youtube. You claimed you had proof. The proof being that if someone tried to call the hospital, they would find out that no such person existed!  Obviously this is nuts. This doctor was featured on major news outlets around the country. Surely the staff there would have exposed this fraud if it was a fraud. There are plenty of records going back years that show this person exists. So let's just say that your judgement of what is a reliable source and what isn't ought not to be taken seriously..

Edited September 15, 2021 by placeholder

[Jeffr2]

2 hours ago, cclub75 said:

The facts bother you. That's your right. But "stop trolling, jeez", the people who are looking for facts.

Facts don't bother me. People who try to deny the severity of the pandemic, or the effectiveness of the vaccines, do.

 

You constantly troll these topics with dodgy articles. Please. Stop.

[Jeffr2]

2 hours ago, cclub75 said:

 

That's not the point, even though I agree with you, this "pandemic" is not a killer.

 

The point is : Asia works, thinks and reacts about cases.

 

The vaccines do not change a thing to the number of "cases". The virus does not care about "vaccines" and "social distancing" and "masks" (proof : Israel, Singapore and others).

 

Ergo : the madness will continue.

 

Demonstration : "Government [from Singapore] pauses reopening plans after 837 new daily infections, despite just four deaths in a month among 80% vaccinated population"

 

The same knee jerk reaction is likely to happen in Thailand (and in most of Asian and Pacific countries), unfortunately.

More misinformation. Sad.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, cclub75 said:

Back to the topic.

 

Singapore. Massive vaccination rate (80%, source).

 

"Singapore reports worst daily Covid case tally in more than a year"

 

Source : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/15/singapore-reports-biggest-spike-in-covid-cases-in-a-year-despite-81-vaccination-rate

 

Enjoy.

????

Did you bother reading this article before posting the link?

 

From the article:

 

“As of Tuesday, a total of 809 people were in hospital. Of these, 75 were seriously ill and required oxygen, and nine were in intensive care. The majority of seriously ill patients were older than 66, according to the Ministry Health”

 

So the densely populated island state where the vast majority live in multi occupant buildings and rely on public transport has 809 people hospitalized, 75 of whom are seriously ill of which the majority are over the age of 66.

 

That’s a shockingly good result for vaccination.

 

“Just four people have died in the past 28 days, all of whom were unvaccinated, according to the health ministry.”

 

Oh! Did you miss that bit?

 

“Over the last 28 days, the percentage of local cases who were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms is 98.1%.

 

Another good result for vaccination.

 

”Of the 114 cases who required oxygen supplementation, 56 were not fully vaccinated and 58 were fully vaccinated”

 

If the vaccines have no effect the percentage of vaccinated but ill patients should be the same as the percentage of people vaccinated in the general population.

 

First the vaccinated

(58/114)*100 = 50.8% v 80% vaccinated 

 

The report does not distinguish partially vaccinated from unvaccinated but the Ministry of Health announcement does include this little gem:

 

809 persons hospitalized.

 

6.1% of unvaccinated people became seriously ill or died.

1.1% of vaccinated people became seriously ill or died.

 

From the report you are hanging your hat on, unvaccinated people in Singapore are 5 1/5 times more likely to become seriously ill or die from COVID.

 

Thanks for sharing.

[Jeffr2]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

Dangerous? “We have concluded that the Covid-19 vaccines made by Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna may be linked with a small increase in the risk of these very rare conditions. The cases tended to be mild and the vast majority recovered with simple treatment and rest,” they added.

Don't reply. Just report the post for having misinformation. Which is a violation of forum rules and against the law in Thailand .

[Sheryl]

Post with misinformation, and replies to it, have been removed

[Hatch]

On 8/10/2021 at 11:14 PM, placeholder said:

While people who get vaccinated can be infected, their infections tend to be milder and less virus particles are produced.

This is not actually true according to this paper.

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v1

 

Edited September 16, 2021 by Hatch
Typo

[Scott]

1 hour ago, Hatch said:

This is not actually true according to this paper.

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v1

 

This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.

[Jeffr2]

10 hours ago, Hatch said:

This is not actually true according to this paper.

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v1

 

Sad you gravitate towards such articles. Misinformation is the biggest problem we have right now.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/2013/oct/04/open-access-journals-fake-paper

 

Hundreds of open access journals accept fake science paper

 

Publishing hoax exposes 'wild west' world of open access journals and raises concerns about poor quality control

[metisdead]

A post containing a chart from the CDC has been removed as there was no supporting link to the source of information provided. 

[placeholder]

On 9/15/2021 at 10:06 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Did you bother reading this article before posting the link?

 

From the article:

 

“As of Tuesday, a total of 809 people were in hospital. Of these, 75 were seriously ill and required oxygen, and nine were in intensive care. The majority of seriously ill patients were older than 66, according to the Ministry Health”

 

So the densely populated island state where the vast majority live in multi occupant buildings and rely on public transport has 809 people hospitalized, 75 of whom are seriously ill of which the majority are over the age of 66.

 

That’s a shockingly good result for vaccination.

 

“Just four people have died in the past 28 days, all of whom were unvaccinated, according to the health ministry.”

 

Oh! Did you miss that bit?

 

“Over the last 28 days, the percentage of local cases who were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms is 98.1%.

 

Another good result for vaccination.

 

”Of the 114 cases who required oxygen supplementation, 56 were not fully vaccinated and 58 were fully vaccinated”

 

If the vaccines have no effect the percentage of vaccinated but ill patients should be the same as the percentage of people vaccinated in the general population.

 

First the vaccinated

(58/114)*100 = 50.8% v 80% vaccinated 

 

The report does not distinguish partially vaccinated from unvaccinated but the Ministry of Health announcement does include this little gem:

 

809 persons hospitalized.

 

6.1% of unvaccinated people became seriously ill or died.

1.1% of vaccinated people became seriously ill or died.

 

From the report you are hanging your hat on, unvaccinated people in Singapore are 5 1/5 times more likely to become seriously ill or die from COVID.

 

Thanks for sharing.

Have you thought of trying to provide up to date information on the situation in Singapore? From Oct 1-Oct 20 of this year there were 169 covid deaths recorded. That's almost 2/3 of the total covid deaths in Singapore over the last 18 months. 84 of those deaths were of the unvaccinated. 30 of the deaths were from the singly vaccinated. 55 deaths were of the fully vaccinated. This despite the fact that 80% of the total population of Singapore has been vaccinated. And when you consider that children aren't yet being vaccinated, that means that well over 80% of the adults have been fully vaccinated and only a small fraction unvaccinated. Despite which the unvaccinated managed to contribute virtually 50% of covid deaths for those first 20 days

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/more-covid-19-patients-in-singapore-reported-to-have-died-in-october-than-18-months-prior

 

Edited October 31, 2021 by placeholder

[fjb 24]

"Vaccines have been quite effective at preventing cases of COVID-19 that lead to severe illness and death, but none has proved reliable at blocking transmission of the virus, Jones noted. Recent evidence has also made clear that the immunity provided by vaccines can wane in a matter of months.
The result is that even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread."

 

Edited November 16, 2021 by onthedarkside
misinfo removed

[Scott]

On 11/15/2021 at 12:06 PM, fjb 24 said:

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The result is that even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread."

The covid flu virus does not agree with the OP, the pandemic cares not if you are vaccinated.

I think this a little less than accurate.  The whole idea of herd immunity is to get vaccines to a level where the virus is severely limited in its ability to spread.   We see that with measles.  It's always around, but it does not become a problem until it hits a population that has low vaccination rates.  I am quite aware that measles isn't Covid but the principle is the same.  If we can drastically slow the spread, we can contain the virus.  We have limited realistic ways of doing that and vaccines is our least-worst option.  

 

What we know so far is that with vaccines, the rate of serious illness is significantly less and the length of time a person is infectious and able to transmit the virus is less.