Tubeless vs tubetype

[alx123]

So we are currently looking for new tubetype tires for my friend. The shops nearby said they didnt have the size we're looking for so we are thinking of buying it online and let the tire shop install it for us. 

Shopping for tires can be confusing online, as most are either tubeless or does'nt say if it's TL or TT. Iv'e read somewhere that TL tires can be used with tubes, but I'm not so sure about it. Anyone knows the verdict about this?

 

If not , we might just keep looking on the shops here and see if they have the TT sizes wer'e looking for. 

 

The sizes we want are the ff:

 

100/80 17 and 130/70 17 tube types. Please let us know if you know any brands and model TT in this sizes. 

 

Thanks

 

 

[canthai55]

On road, off road, or dual sport ?

[alx123]

1 hour ago, canthai55 said:

On road, off road, or dual sport ?

on-road tires. classis designed motorcycle

[Moonlover]

What type of motorcycle and what type of rims does it have, spoked or solid cast?

[canthai55]

You can run tubes in a tubeless tire, altho it will run hotter. Cast or Spoke.

You can run tubeless tires with spoke rims if you install a Tubliss type system

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, alx123 said:

100/80 17 and 130/70 17 tube types. Please let us know if you know any brands and model TT in this sizes. 

Tubed or tubeless doesn't matter it's a small bike. 

[papa al]

19 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

You can run tubes in a tubeless tire, altho it will run hotter. Cast or Spoke.

You can run tubeless tires with spoke rims if you install a Tubliss type system

Tubliss is not tubeless; has tube.

for off-road.

Extreme enduro.

SMH.

[jackdd]

You can just put tubes in a tubeless tire

[canthai55]

Check out YouTube for ways to convert spoke to tubeless if so desired. Here is one - there are others

https://www.bartfactory.com/products/bartubeless-en/?lang=en

[thailand49]

Maybe shop around the tire size you listed are a dime a dozen finding tubes for these sizes I've never had a problem.  Where do you live in Pattaya go to Soi 55 on Sukhumvit Pangyont.

[rutteketuut]

Inner tubes can be used in tubeless tyres.

[rutteketuut]

Can order on Lazada.

[bamboozled]

What's the reason for putting a tube in a tubeless tire? I'm curious.

[canthai55]

23 minutes ago, bamboozled said:

What's the reason for putting a tube in a tubeless tire? I'm curious.

Spoke wheels is one

[alx123]

On 9/1/2021 at 11:30 PM, jackdd said:

You can just put tubes in a tubeless tire

this is the confirmation I needed. Thank you

 

I sure can find lots of sizes online (LAZADA, Shopee, etc) but I wasn't sure if I can use them with tubes on spoke wheels.

 

1 hour ago, rutteketuut said:

Inner tubes can be used in tubeless tyres.

Thanks for confirming, Thank you.

On 9/1/2021 at 9:18 PM, canthai55 said:

You can run tubes in a tubeless tire, altho it will run hotter. Cast or Spoke.

 

Sorry but Please explain why would a tube run hotter on a tubeless tire? Thanks

 

[alx123]

1 hour ago, bamboozled said:

What's the reason for putting a tube in a tubeless tire? I'm curious.

tubelss tires Won't hold air in a tube type wheel (i.e spoke wheels)

[alx123]

On 9/1/2021 at 9:23 PM, Kwasaki said:

Tubed or tubeless doesn't matter it's a small bike. 

 but i wasn't sure if i can just put tubes inside tubeless tires before

 

but now i know i can

 

Thank you

[bamboozled]

Ah I got it....because the spokes go through the wheel and the head of the spoke is on the inside....air would escape through the spoke hole? Thank you for the info. Learning is fun!

[brianthainess]

3 hours ago, bamboozled said:

What's the reason for putting a tube in a tubeless tire? I'm curious.

Never seen a M/C tyre repaired here correctly, they never repair punctures on inner tubes, they just fit a new tube IME

[canthai55]

1 hour ago, alx123 said:

Sorry but Please explain why would a tube run hotter on a tubeless tire? Thanks

More friction. The tube flexes inside the tire, which creates heat.

It also flexes in a tube type tire.

Not a lot of difference, but a difference none the less.

[Moonlover]

25 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

1 hour ago, alx123 said:

Sorry but Please explain why would a tube run hotter on a tubeless tire? Thanks

 

25 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

More friction. The tube flexes inside the tire, which creates heat.

It also flexes in a tube type tire.

Not a lot of difference, but a difference none the less.

Now I've never inspected the inside of a tubeless M/C tyre, but I did read in an article somewhere that the surface is somewhat rougher than a standard tyre. This could explain the heat build up due to friction.

 

The article went on to say that it is not such a good idea to fit a tube inside a tubeless tyre unless it is fitted to a solid rim. In other words, if you have a spoked rim, don't use a tubeless tyre plus an innertube. You risk a catastrophic deflation if the tube tears. 

[alx123]

4 hours ago, Moonlover said:

 

Now I've never inspected the inside of a tubeless M/C tyre, but I did read in an article somewhere that the surface is somewhat rougher than a standard tyre. This could explain the heat build up due to friction.

 

The article went on to say that it is not such a good idea to fit a tube inside a tubeless tyre unless it is fitted to a solid rim. In other words, if you have a spoked rim, don't use a tubeless tyre plus an innertube. You risk a catastrophic deflation if the tube tears. 

now , im confused again. Should i just find a dedicated Tubetype tires for my bike?

 

Anyone can give me a link for TT 100/80, 130/70 17 tires for spoke wheels? 

 

Can't find or don't know how to find them online. 

[canthai55]

https://www.pirelli.in.th/pirelli-product/

Do the same for any tire manufacturer

[Moonlover]

1 hour ago, alx123 said:

now , im confused again. Should i just find a dedicated Tubetype tires for my bike?

 

Anyone can give me a link for TT 100/80, 130/70 17 tires for spoke wheels? 

 

Can't find or don't know how to find them online. 

I don't understand why you're confused. The logic is simple,  if you have a spoked wheel rim, do NOT use a tubeless tyre. They not designed for that purpose. Use a standard tyre plus inner tube.

 

Sorry, but I cannot assist you with on-line purchases. I have always used the original stock tyres from the dealer where I bought my motorcycles. Maybe you should try that route.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, alx123 said:

now , im confused again. Should i just find a dedicated Tubetype tires for my bike?

 

Anyone can give me a link for TT 100/80, 130/70 17 tires for spoke wheels? 

 

Can't find or don't know how to find them online. 

[papa al]

If you are in Pattaya,

iMoto will get you right.

Experts.

Not expensive.

Honest.

[EVENKEEL]

When I was a kid we patched our bike and MC tubes. Here, they just slap on a new one. 

[petermik]

Bought 2 tyres and tubes for my Wave from Lazada cost around 800 baht inc delivery the local motorcycle shop fitted them for 180 baht...job sorted.

[alx123]

21 hours ago, Moonlover said:

I don't understand why you're confused. The logic is simple,  if you have a spoked wheel rim, do NOT use a tubeless tyre. They not designed for that purpose. Use a standard tyre plus inner tube.

 

Sorry, but I cannot assist you with on-line purchases. I have always used the original stock tyres from the dealer where I bought my motorcycles. Maybe you should try that route.

im confused because of two conflicting ideas; people confirmed it's alright to use tubes on tubeless tires, but now your'e saying it isn't.

 

 

 

[alx123]

16 hours ago, papa al said:

If you are in Pattaya,

iMoto will get you right.

Experts.

Not expensive.

Honest.

im in BKK, plenty of shops here but mostly stocks are TL tires.

 

I just want to confirm  if I  can really put tubes on TL tires or not, hence this thread. 

 

We just did exactly that and it looks fine, we'll see if we'll have any problems with it in the future.