Delusional smoke-signals, from happy-face smokespeople, as usual.

10 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

I'd like to travel domestic but still waiting for my appointment that finally comes on the 12th for Pfeizer.

 

My wife is waiting for the Moderna we've booked and paid for months ago. Now that's only 1.95 million doses.

 

Like many Thais she doesn't want to take Sinovac so we're waiting for something more suitable.

 

 

Why pay for something that is free ? It's all about the money.

8 hours ago, daveAustin said:

Umm, let me think…

Pfizer’s not the be all and end all. In fact I hear there can be heart issues while efficacy also drops off. But as with an expensive handbag, you pay more so it has to be better right. Nowt as queer as folk. 

Its free.

 

If you lived in Thailand you may have heard about it.

3 minutes ago, finnomick1 said:

Why pay for something that is free ? It's all about the money.

Huh?

 

Moderna isn't free.

 

The Pfeizer I'm getting is free because the USA donated it.

8 hours ago, daveAustin said:

Umm, let me think

Don't faint. 

10 hours ago, Stanaris said:

Simple way of getting more tourists.  Open Thailand to all double vaccinated visitors who are willing to come here.  NO Quarantine and No tests, just come and enjoy a relaxing holiday. Allowing alcohol sales and consumption would be good too.

Ideally prefaced with preparing the population with an effective and quality vaccine. But, this is Thailand, so Sinovac all round.

11 hours ago, AnotherFarang8 said:

I began to learn Spanish today, will go check Colombia. Most beautiful girls are in Medellin. No vaccination required, no pcr tests, no nothing invasive. The old normal just the way i like it. F these new “normal” dictators! There are still sane countries in the world.

As Arnold would say "Hasta la vista, baby"

My bud and his lady are itching to take their first trip to Thailand. Obviously they would like to see the Grand Palace, temples etc. Any indication these will open when the shopping malls do?

11 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

So, with tourism ready "to be revived" one of the country's top policemen stands up and threatens anyone who arranges or takes part in a party in which alcohol is served, with arrest and imprisonment!

 

I just don't know whether to laugh or cry

He's hoping to be  next prime minister maybe

8 hours ago, tjo o tjim said:

Singapore has ~1/7 the infection rate of Thailand in the last 7 days; that is a pretty good attestation to the efficacy of the vaccine.

 

Israel’s 63% vaccination rate was initially admirable, but few consider that a sufficient number today; the consensus seems to be closer to 80% with issues remaining when you get outbreaks among ineligible groups.  

yes your quite correct.look at worldometers deaths per mill,both are small in comparison to USA and other countries in europe as israel and sing are highly developed countries japan  and s korea are similar too.thailand wont get out of the hole its dug itself unless it vaccinates with a jab that works against indian variant.chinese ones are much  less effective against delta than az moderna and pfizer,these are thin on the ground,why?corruption and political game plan from the generals to put thaland firmly in the china orbit so they continue rule,all this is quite obvious.will the country fully ever recover?i doubt it.the thai in the street is mostly oblivious to most of what going on around him but even they are waking up and can see the picture more clearly,will they do something about it,i doubt it in sufficient nos.i hope people do change this corrupt,fascist version of feudalism as that is the real way forward.a better deal for all.not just the corrupt cops and govt  nor the gods from on high

1 hour ago, kevin612 said:

70-80% percent of vaccination rates will get rid of quarantine.

And this is maybe the idea behind the single vax only policy that appears to be happening at the moment.

BS trying to baffle Brains.

Yesterday, Tewasilp of the CCSA stated that Thailand was well on the way to " Herd immunity ".

He stated that Thailand had now vaccinated 50 % of the 70 Million Population with a single Vaccination.

Duhhhh !

It will take a lot more Vaccinations, with only 12 % of the population having received 2 shots of any Vaccine at all to reach " Herd Immunity " which now seems to be as high as 80% plus due to Delta.

 

They are jumping the gun. Just look at Florida if you want to know what happens when you reduce restrictions before vaccinating.

 

The CCSA has set the standard at 70% vaccinations. Stick to the plan and keep the shots coming.

10 hours ago, Stanaris said:

Simple way of getting more tourists.  Open Thailand to all double vaccinated visitors who are willing to come here.  NO Quarantine and No tests, just come and enjoy a relaxing holiday. Allowing alcohol sales and consumption would be good too.

Id be ok with a test before boarding the flight and one on arrival being fully vaxxed already. Drop the COE and quarantine. You’ll get your tourists …and only then

9 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

They are jumping the gun. Just look at Florida if you want to know what happens when you reduce restrictions before vaccinating.

 

The CCSA has set the standard at 70% vaccinations. Stick to the plan and keep the shots coming.

Florida is a bad example to use..i live in Miami….and pattaya.  Most deaths and hospitalizations are by NON vaccinated covid patients. This state government refuses to mandate masks, vaccines, closures.  Unlike in Thailand…people WANT to be vaccinated. 

11 hours ago, AnotherFarang8 said:

I began to learn Spanish today, will go check Colombia. Most beautiful girls are in Medellin. No vaccination required, no pcr tests, no nothing invasive. The old normal just the way i like it. F these new “normal” dictators! There are still sane countries in the world.

Despedida

12 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

So, with tourism ready "to be revived" one of the country's top policemen stands up and threatens anyone who arranges or takes part in a party in which alcohol is served, with arrest and imprisonment!

 

I just don't know whether to laugh or cry

Absolutely correct and what about the curfew?? Even if the bars were open, they would have to close at 8.00pm!

9 hours ago, daveAustin said:

Umm, let me think…

Pfizer’s not the be all and end all. In fact I hear there can be heart issues while efficacy also drops off. But as with an expensive handbag, you pay more so it has to be better right. Nowt as queer as folk. 

Sinovac is not cheap.  Do some international price per dose investigating.  The Chinese may call it "good will" but ..... you don't charge the customer top dollar for a product and then claim "good will"

10 hours ago, Albert Zweistein said:

Most of them are "working" in Caracas Venezuela. No problem, they speak Spanish there too.

Venezuela ?  USA citizens can get into Thailand easier than there, and be better liked by the natives.

9 hours ago, daveAustin said:

Umm, let me think…

Pfizer’s not the be all and end all. In fact I hear there can be heart issues while efficacy also drops off. But as with an expensive handbag, you pay more so it has to be better right. Nowt as queer as folk. 

Nowt as ill informed as some folk (see mirror for clarification) ..

Just a bit of practical thinking. Due to various reasons all born out of the pandemic, Thailand will not have many tourists for the rest of this year and well into next. International tourism is going to take a fair while to crank up. Its just not the case that Thailand drops most of the incoming restrictions today and large numbers will be here tomorrow. I suspect that the whole thing will be a drip feed as more and more countries open up, green lists etc. This one is well down the queue with its tardy vaccinations and chaotic rules. Sure the single male demographic may just jump on a plane but not to see shuttered bars. Also expect a few snags along the way as outbreaks occur. I know there is a lot of pent up demand in Australia, people have holidays owing to them but as they plan in advance most holidays for the next 6 months are local.

Its simple, wait until Dec when you say 70% of population will be fully vaccinated . 

Complete mishandling of the situation along with massive shut downs lending itself for the moment nothing to come back to will seriously hamper the tourism comeback. Along with the flip flops and what's good this hour is obsolete later has shaken tourist confidence significantly. You may open borders but with quarantine requirements and expenses along with not enough open and the threat of things closing right on peoples noses at anytime has definitely left it's mark. Thailand you're in for a long haul.

Won't be many tourists coming for the high season especially from the UK 

With the restrictions in place Covid paperwork quarantine ect plus the hassle of quarantine travelling back  to the UK

Now reading Covie certificate or checks required before entering restaurants  when Bangkok opens next month properly same Pattaya

Hua Hin ect no mention of bars clubs open  ?

 

10 hours ago, EricTh said:

It's too early to open up.

 

Just look at the rising daily cases in Singapore and Israel where most are already vaccinated, something is wrong. Fully vaccinated figures below.

 

Singapore - 80%

Israel - 63%

The world might have to come to it's senses, viruses mutate, and what you point out is happening in other well vaccinated countries. I have even read articles that blame those who are anti vaccine for this.

Vaccines are not stopping covid, just alleviating the symptoms at present.

NZ did not control the first or the second outbreak with vaccines it was achieved with social distancing and lockdowns.

The third outbreak (delta) has nearly been contained down to around 20 cases per day now, but again vaccines did not achieve this , it's been lockdown and social distancing again.

 

Some of the spreaders in this latest outbreak had been fully vaccinated using Pfizer(NZ only uses Pfizer).

So what is the world going to do? shoot everyone a third time? a fourth time???

Are we going to stay locked up, the worlds economy strangled, airlines ruined, everyone mandated to get a jab of experimental or FDA approved vaccines, get a vaccine passport, do not pass go without one, for vaccines that are not stopping covid, YET, thats a big yet, and so far the world is not preventing spread.

India and Brazil have had great success with Ivermectin, for improving recovery of infected covid patients, but the WHO does not want to know about it.

Russia is in the process of phase 2 trials For MIR 19, which is looking like a winner as a medication inhaled that is supposed to knock covid in its' tracks, we will have to wait for the outcome of this, but ,it looks like the world will have to take a different approach to covid, India is saying this, look after the people over fifty with vaccines to reduce the impact of infection, and the rest will probably  develop herd immunity, which is already developing in over 67% of the Indian population so far.

 

Does big pharma think that the world according to Jabba, will be the new world, it is frightening, at the least.

12 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

I'd like to travel domestic but still waiting for my appointment that finally comes on the 12th for Pfeizer.

 

My wife is waiting for the Moderna we've booked and paid for months ago. Now that's only 1.95 million doses.

 

Like many Thais she doesn't want to take Sinovac so we're waiting for something more suitable.

 

 

Speaking of Moderna, My girlfriend and I were at the hospital the other day in Loei and saw a line for Moderna jabs. My girlfriend asked if this was for second shipment next year. We were told this was for the October shipment that has been moved to between Jan- March 2022 . 

13 hours ago, AnotherFarang8 said:

Most beautiful girls

Absolutely! 

 

Inexpensive and beautiful beaches.

Sarcastic troll posts and other off topic  removed

Nothing is being done to address prior problems, or elevate the tourism experience here. Much improvement and reform is needed. And sacrifices need to be made. I do not hear ANY discussion about what sacrifices Thailand is willing to make, to get back the tourists, and that multi trillion baht cash cow. No luxury or wine taxes are being reduced. Combined with a bloated baht, inconsistent and draconian immigration policy, major international egg on the face from recent decisions pertaining to the youth and opposition protestors, no way forward politically, horrendous air quality and environmental policies (or lack thereof), and a truly regressive dinosaur government, Thailand is losing its appeal for many.

 

If a tourist wanted to venture to an island destination, they are all devastated by this shutdown. Was recently in Samui. 85% of the hotels were closed. Most restaurants, alot of bars, shops and other businesses were closed many permanently. That environment is fairly depressing, seeing so much hardship. So, the lame authorities here need to wrap their minds around that. Tourists would be coming to a hugely diminished destination. Make some sacrifices, you incompetents. These issues and problems were becoming apparent long before Covid. And none were being addressed. That is part of my point. Tourism had been declining for years already. The numbers were up. But the quality of tourist was way down. And according to everyone I spoke to in 2019, the year before and the year before that, income was way, way down. So, "this blame it all on Covid scenario" is somewhat disengenuous. Sure, Covid is huge. And the drop now is stunning. But, my point is there were plenty of issues prior to Covid. And are any of them being addressed? Quantity over quality is never a good thing, unless you are selling one dollar items at a swap meet. It just lowers the quality of the experience for all.

There does not appear to be any end in sight for the Southern Islands. Domestic tourism has now been wrecked due to a very poor reaction by Anutin and the administration, with regard to the need for a total shutdown of Samut province, which happened far too late, after the latest outbreak. It was total and abysmal failure. Oh, can I go to prison for saying that? Prayuth is largely to blame for this, as he was obsessed with the optics of a lockdown, even if it was only one province. This has led to thousands of cases, the loss of millions more jobs, and an utter demolition of the domestic tourism industry. As far as international tourism goes, it is anyone's guess when that will start to revive, and how many years it will take to even get back to 20% of the former levels. I am guessing no more than 5 to 8 million tourists annually, even four or five years from now.

And the longer they wait, the more Thailand WILL be forgotten. Plus, as usual the lack of vision, wisdom, skill and talent, prevents them from realizing that their primary market of lower to middle income Chinese, Malaysians, and Indians have been financially decimated by Covid. Plus, changes in attitudes regarding long haul travel, alternative travel spots and more.

Expect 300,000 to 500,000 tourists in the 12 months following the end of restrictions. 2 million the following year, and no more than 5 million tourists a year for several years after that. This is realistic. International tourism here will never be the same, post Covid. And in our lifetimes, Thailand will never see close to 40 million tourist again. Game over. The door has closed. The world has changed, and you are not adapting.

 

 

In Victoria Australia they are in lockdown with over 100 cases daily. Thailand wants to open up the country with 14,000 daily cases !!!  Which is the stupid country ? Here in Perth we have zero cases for months. WA is doing it right !

I dont know about you but I am very worried about the people that have the two jabs are giving other people the virus so you people who think you are free now forget it keep that mask on, and this has now turned into a year round thing now not just a cold weather thing, and the Chinese leader is talking war so where is Thailand going to stand in that?