Have any of you teachers received the ultimatum yet?

[robblok]

14 hours ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

So many over-educated “persons” around……unable to function properly in the real world……

wouldnt want them anywhere near my kids…. its hardly a difficult choice……. take best vax you can to best protect yourself, kids in your charge and family/ friends…… or be a dithering hand-wringing anti- vaxxer , without your job……..

 

Actually antivaxxers that give up their job to not be vaxxed have more respect from me then antivax light who complain a lot online and still take the vaccine.

 

Personally i think antivaxxers are crazy and would not want to have them as teachers. Luckily most of the farang antivaxxers are English teachers so they wont be brainwashing kids. Just like healthcare workers you expect some inteligence in teachers. You have a job that brings you in constant contact with a lot of people.

 

It just makes sense to get vaxxed, so many people have been vaxxed no problems. Some over a year and still people worry. Its strange. 

[robblok]

10 minutes ago, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

I've been given no ultimatum, yet still want the vaccine for mine and others' safety, considering the profession I'm in. Agree with the other posters, you really don't have the luxury of taking the anti-vax position as a teacher, responsible for the lives of children, nor as a guest in a foreign country where it's becoming a requirement.

 

Out here the US donation of Pfizer was earmarked for foreigners, which a few others have received. I've been on the list awhile but still no word for me yet. Every day hundreds of people still at the big govt hospital for their vax. I might just have to bite the bullet and pay for it at the private hospital.

 

I see in the US some anti-vax teachers are now getting their pink slips (sacked) for doing so. If you're K-12 qualified as I am, going back to snag their $60k/yr and retirement plans sure sounds tempting. Though I wouldn't want to live and work in CA or NY.

Your the kind of teacher kids deserve, one with a brain that understands the importance of vaccines especially in combination with their job. 

[Denim]

7 minutes ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

Through Dept of Foreign Affairs. I applied about 3 days ago...got the message to go and went yesterday. There was hardly anyone there, which surprised me. They gave me a choice of 3 jabs. I was in and out in 45 mins. This was in Pathumtani Province.

That's a good choice. So far the only thing I've been offered locally is Sinovac. I would have taken that had I not been planning to travel to Europe soon. I'd settle for 2 AZ shots which looks like will be readily available soon.

[BE88]

16 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

I hope you are not planning on travelling anytime soon.

 

What happens if Thailand joins the group "2 shots of Sinovac is not considered vaccinated"?

Moderna, Pfiser, AZ also if taken in Thailand.

[Mayhem11]

One supposes that the reasons for the ultimatum about vaccination of teachers is the protection of students and their families from an infected teacher and the protection of said teacher from being infected by their students.  It seems that many of the commentators above are engaged in a danse macabre with their infection and the infection of their students and their families. When I was a teacher it was a fundamental ethical principle that you acted in the best interests of the students. It seems that these teachers are not heeding this principle.  

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, zyphodb said:

But it isn't is it? nothing on my contract or any others I should imagine about having to take an experimental medical procedure to keep working... 

conditions of work change according to circumstances. I teach and there is always a clause in a contract that allows schools to make changes when conditions demand such. 

[kingstonkid]

The OPS question and stance is interesting.  The challenge that has been laid out here though is interesting and sounds like a lot of places.

 

First the vaccines as I have read do not prevent a person for getting covid they only minimize the affect.

Second, the argument that I should not have to get the vaccine is also true.  There is nothing to say anywhere unless yo work for the U.S. government you have to be vaccinated.  Hockey players are throwing away millions of dollars and in sme cases their careers because they do not want to get vaccinated.

 

Third, considering that the government has mandated that Matayom students will get vaccinated to return to schools then teachers should have realized that the other side of the coin is that teachers will have to be vaccinated.  

The government has not come out and said it but then again almost all Thais and Farang have been vaccinated willingly.

 

Fourth you sign a contract that states that you will abide by the school policies and rules.  Unfortunately it does not say what rules or when they can be created or enforced.

 

Finally as a teacher you may be able to convince the labour board that you are in the right (not so sure abut that)  but that only means that the school has to employ you until the end of your contract.  It does not say it has to have you teaching classes.  Therefore there is nothing saying they can not give you your own office in a broom closet and mandate you checking in at 730 and leaving at 4 each day and sit in your little room.

[robblok]

13 minutes ago, zyphodb said:

And how many will die or have life changing injuries due to jab side effects?

Not sure, but are you not making an unfair comparison. Something antivaxxers often do.

 

You compare deaths of covid with life changing injuries.

 

Should you not compare death with death and other side effects with for instance long covid.

 

I mean fair is fair you know and figures dont lie. How many kids have died from covid vaccines ? We know that 581 have died from covid. 

[kensawadee]

13 minutes ago, zyphodb said:

And how many will die or have life changing injuries due to jab side effects?

A VERY stupid comparison........ The answer, since you are so uneducated to know it: maybe 1% might die versus the 99% who will be 'saved'............

[CM Dad]

I am the father of a 16-year-old son who attends an expensive, private school.  I do not want him going to a school that employs teachers or staff who refuse to be vaccinated.  The sooner people like you are gone, the better.

[CM Dad]

17 hours ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

No, I am not planning on travelling soon. At some point, like all pandemics in human history, this will end.  I am going to bide my time. Australia has just recognised Sinovac. I am doing it to keep up with what will likely happen within 2 months.....Boosters are being debated. It seems they may only be required for a certain percentage. My parents are in Australia. If they have to come here for a visit sometime in the next 2 years because I am not allowed, so be it. This situation is evolving. I am just trying to do what I can in the circumstances. 

 

1 hour ago, Bagwain said:

Figures a doggy at best coming out of the US. In Australia and other counties the vaxed are higher numbers in hospitals!

 

1 hour ago, Bagwain said:

Figures a doggy at best coming out of the US. In Australia and other counties the vaxed are higher numbers in hospitals!

I am grateful that you are NOT my son's teacher.  As a parent I pay very high school fees at my son's private school - if you were employed there, I would insist that you be terminated.

[simon43]

[quote]

I teach at a school in one of the worst affected provinces in the south. Some (many?) of our teachers don't want to get the vaccine due to religious reasons.

[/quote]

 

What religious reasons?  The highest Muslim scholars have stated that these vaccinations are halal and there is no religious reason not to have a vax.  Perhaps they are all Jehova's Witnesses down south? (Actually, even JWs have stated that having a vax is simply a personal decision, and nothing to do with religion).

[Tony125]

3 hours ago, zyphodb said:

I haven't had the ultimatum yet, but am half expecting it, however the director knows my views on experimental "vaccines" and may be pragmatic and not push it, as he should realise that his chances of getting another Native English speaking teacher to keep his English programme going in the backwoods of Isaan are pretty slim. Also he may not want to end up in the Labor courts for sacking me when he's the one who's broken the contract of employment...

You say expiramental drugs, Pfizer is not as it has been given full US FDA approval as a treatment for Covid 19. Literaly billions of people around the world have already been given shots with billions more waiting. Few adverse reactions and the vaccine in any case will not give you Covid. Courts in US  have backed hospitals and other companies with their right to fire those who refuse to take the shots even  though the requrement wasn't in their contracts. Also those fired cannot collect unenemployment benefits.

[matchar]

7 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

You say expiramental drugs, Pfizer is not as it has been given full US FDA approval as a treatment for Covid 19. Literaly billions of people around the world have already been given shots with billions more waiting. Few adverse reactions and the vaccine in any case will not give you Covid. Courts in US  have backed hospitals and other companies with their right to fire those who refuse to take the shots even  though the requrement wasn't in their contracts. Also those fired cannot collect unenemployment benefits.

How many people in Thailand get offered Pfizer? Very few...

[HeijoshinCool]

2 hours ago, Tracyb said:

Just an observation…….   In America, over 90% of people hospitalized with severe Covid are not vaccinated.  What does that tell us?

.

Uhm, that you believe whatever the media tells you......?

[Denim]

3 minutes ago, matchar said:

How many people in Thailand get offered Pfizer? Very few...

15 minutes ago I just got offered vaccine tomorrow by expat vac.  Been waiting a long time so was surprised when the phone rang to give me the news.

[Bagwain]

15 minutes ago, CM Dad said:

 

 

I am grateful that you are NOT my son's teacher.  As a parent I pay very high school fees at my son's private school - if you were employed there, I would insist that you be terminated.

Ignorance is bliss. I suppose you would happily have your kids jabbed as well! Check out what is happening in Israel. You may be shocked. 2nd booster coming up. If you don't get it no Jab book. Wake up! It's all about control & B/Pharma profits!

[Tony125]

3 minutes ago, matchar said:

How many people in Thailand get offered Pfizer? Very few...

One of the posters said he refused Pfizer as he did not want expiramental Mrna vaccine and opted  for Sinovac because it waas made the old way---inactivated virus. I think Thailand will vaccinate all children with Pfizer as is the only vaccine authorized for kids. (Sinovac may be used for kids but not as affective)

[scorecard]

You want comments but only comments that are within the parameters you set. 

[248900_1469958220]

I have had the first shot of a vaccine that is approved by the Thai govt. its the same one most of my workmates had a while back....in 2 weeks I have my 2nd. Based on current info I will be 'fully vaccinated' according to Thai govt.....I dont see the reason for the vitriol. Sure, I have taken time to make up my mind but I have been teaching online for months. Last I heard students cant catch it over the internet. 

[JackGats]

Do you take blood pressure or some other medication every day? If not in a few years you will have too as you get older. Read the small print about the recorded side-effects of such medications. Scary isn't it? And you have to swallow those chemicals every day!

 

So my point is: an "experimental" vaccine once every 8 months is probably nothing in comparison.

[CM Dad]

16 minutes ago, Bagwain said:

Ignorance is bliss. I suppose you would happily have your kids jabbed as well! Check out what is happening in Israel. You may be shocked. 2nd booster coming up. If you don't get it no Jab book. Wake up! It's all about control & B/Pharma profits!

I have had two doses of Pfizer with no side effects whatsoever.  My son is scheduled to receive his first Pfizer vaccine in a few days.  I am grateful that I was able to get the vaccine and I will be grateful when my son receives his as well.  Hopefully you live far, far away from us.

[johng]

1 minute ago, CM Dad said:

Hopefully you live far, far away from us.

Why are you  scared or even care if @Bagwain lives near you ?

you have had your jabs  so you're protected right ?

[CM Dad]

8 minutes ago, johng said:

Why are you  scared or even care if @Bagwain lives near you ?

you have had your jabs  so you're protected right ?

I am not scared at all but I have no patience for fools.

[Tony125]

 

[arithai12]

41 minutes ago, Bagwain said:

Ignorance is bliss. I suppose you would happily have your kids jabbed as well! Check out what is happening in Israel. You may be shocked. 2nd booster coming up. If you don't get it no Jab book. Wake up! It's all about control & B/Pharma profits!

The OP wanted to restrict this thread to teachers' experiences and I'd like to respect that, but your post is so absurd that it needs an answer.

 

So, I checked out what's happening in Israel: 33,000 active cases, of which 99% are mild condition (like, no symptoms). Is that so bad? Compare with what's happening in countries with lower vaccination levels. No wait, compare Thailand today with Thailand a couple of months ago before vaccination got serious. But I suppose you will say they are all fake figures.

 

Boosters: what's the problem?? A lot of viruses require yearly injections, because the antibodies wane or the virus mutates. Check out Influenza A.

 

Control: like you don't use a phone, internet, credit card, passport already? Or do you live under fake name, without reporting to immigration, pay only cash and never drive anywhere? Exactly what kind of extra control does covid give to governments?

 

Big Pharma: here we agree, they are making profits. And so do many other covid-related businesses such as eg hospitals and insurance companies. So what do you want to do, get infected so that you can show it to the Man? May I remind you that vaccination is usually for free, except those who require special types. So it's not coming from your pocket exactly.

 

Back to teachers, I salute those who get vaxxed, respect for you.

 

[CharlieH]

I would suggest that many may have no option in the near future.

If you dont want the vaccine you better find another profession or teach online, ss you wont be moving on due to travel restrictions fo exactlyr the same reason.

There will come a time where it will be expected everywhere and the limitations imposed on those that dont will be intolerable to impossible to live an everyday life.

[sometimewoodworker]

4 hours ago, zyphodb said:

22 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

If taking the vaccine is a condition of your being employed and you don't want to adhere to the condition, then you have to accept you may be dismissed...

But it isn't is it? nothing on my contract or any others I should imagine about having to take an experimental medical procedure to keep working... 

there is nothing experimental with any covid19 vaccine authorised by the Ministry of Public Health. You all as education professionals should understand that. Requirements for vaccination are normal in settings like schools, hospitals and public contact government, and private, jobs.

 

If you have such deeply felt convictions then you should resign from your job so you are not required to do the minimum.

 

If I were to discover that any official, educator, or health professional were refusing vaccination I would be pressing for them to either resign or be terminated. My health trumps your desire to emulate Typhoid Mary. 
 

Just because your contract has been overtaken by world events doesn’t mean you have any rights to be an infection vector. If you feel you do have that right take your complaint to court. The Thai labour courts are impartial, foreign workers get equal treatment there.

[Guffman]

I renewed visa and work permit a couple of weeks ago. I filled in the work permit application and gave it back to the hr woman. She then asked me if I had the Mor Prom app. I said no. Why would she ask that? I'm guessing they're going to make it a requirement for a work permit. Maybe next year sometime once the majority of people have had 2 shots. Just speculation on my part, but I can see it happening.

[sometimewoodworker]

3 hours ago, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

I've been given no ultimatum, yet still want the vaccine for mine and others' safety, considering the profession I'm in. Agree with the other posters, you really don't have the luxury of taking the anti-vax position as a teacher, responsible for the lives of children, nor as a guest in a foreign country where it's becoming a requirement.

 

Out here the US donation of Pfizer was earmarked for foreigners, which a few others have received. I've been on the list awhile but still no word for me yet. Every day hundreds of people still at the big govt hospital for their vax. I might just have to bite the bullet and pay for it at the private hospital.

 

I see in the US some anti-vax teachers are now getting their pink slips (sacked) for doing so. If you're K-12 qualified as I am, going back to snag their $60k/yr and retirement plans sure sounds tempting. Though I wouldn't want to live and work in CA or NY.

@CrunchWrapSupreme You do not say where in Issan you are. However if you are in travelling distance to Khon Kaen it is extremely likely that you can call Bangkok Hospital Khon Kaen on 043-042-888 and you will be able to register for the government funded Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccination using your passport number if you are over 40 or have one of the 7 risk factors. I registered on Saturday a month ago, got my first shot the next day and have had my second shot last Sunday. Yes you will need to travel but very likely you will be accepted even if younger or more distant

Edited October 7, 2021 by sometimewoodworker