Breakthrough COVID-19 Infection in Thailand: What to Know

[Skeptic7]

10 minutes ago, Pinot said:

Afraid of getting a jab? I don't get it. "A life lived in fear...?" What are you talking about?  

 

If you don't get vaccinated, you're far more likely to get very sick and possibly die after infecting everyone around you with your nonsense. You don't want to live in fear of what? Multiple vaccination and having to wear a mask? How is that living in fear? You're doing what society has deemed the way to respond to a pandemic as determined by experts. Not what some idiot high school dropout wrote on the Internet, actual trained experts.

 

Or you can take horse dewormer. Thoughts and prayers.  

Already vaxed bro, so stop with the unwarranted ass-umptions. The entire world is and has been living in fear for 18+ months and most of it still cowering and closed due to massive overreactions. 

 

BTW...Nothing fails like prayer. Don't want 'em Don't need 'em. Waste your time on useless superstition elsewhere. ???? = 

[brucec64]

4 hours ago, jacko45k said:

No it doesn't, it started Jan 1st 2001. 

 

You must have been so fun at the 1999 going to 2000 New Years Party explaining to everyone that it wasn't really the new century. I remember "that guy" at the party I was at. Nobody really cared then, and I'm sure that hasn't really changed.

[brianthainess]

17 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Nearly 22 years into the 21st century,

And still little tu tu the magnificent thinks his in the 19th century. 

[VBF]

17 minutes ago, Iron Tongue said:

You guys all seem to have forgotten the #1 killer virus: HIV.

 

Each year another ~500,000-700,000 die from HIV/AIDS with over 32,000,000 already dead plus over 37,000,000 infected.

 

Except that HIV is not airborne and you have a "choice" of actions by which you can avoid being infected. Sympathy of course to those who got infected early (blood transfusions and the like) but your behaviour determines whether you catch HIV even if you are exposed to it. This is not necessarily the case with Covid.

 

And for many infected, there are drugs that lessen the likelihood of them developing full-blown AIDS: they are however still infectious but again, their behaviour determines whether they will pass it on.

[peter48]

Amazing to still see denial of this pandemic by some here which has killed over 4.55 million fellow humans. That's enough for most people to take precautions like vaccines and avoiding very crowded places . That's what a pandemic is: the figures in 'so called' advanced nations but unequal ones like USA at over 704,000 dead or UK at over 137,000 dead citizens or less developed Brazil at 600,000 dead citizens tells you much. Better off and well organised & doing better than UK is  Germany  at 94,000 dead citizens but still high.  Indonesia has lost 142,000.

 

In America the highest deaths of family members are in Right Wing Southern Trump states where mask wearing and vaccinations were 'politicalised' which is unsual given that we all have had polio or measles vaccinations or many other vaccs  like flu without any fuss. Covid may seriously & quickly  deeply damage your lungs, limit your oxygen intake etc and ICUs throughout the world are still overflowing with unvaccinated people & busy mortuaries. Things are almost getting back to normal in the advanced EU nations but only because of  double Pfizer or AZ.

Edited October 6, 2021 by peter48

[VBF]

10 minutes ago, peter48 said:

Amazing to still see denial of this pandemic by some here which has killed over 4.55 million fellow humans. That's enough for most people to take precautions like vaccines and avoiding very crowded places . That's what a pandemic is: the figures in 'so called' advanced nations but unequal ones like USA at over 704,000 dead or UK at over 137,000 dead citizens or less developed Brazil at 600,000 dead citizens tells you much. Better off and well organised Germany is at 94,000 dead citizens.  Indonesia has lost 142,000.

 

In America the highest deaths of family members are in Right Wing Southern Trump states where mask wearing and vaccinations were 'politicalised' which is unusual given that we all have had polio or measles vaccinations or many other vaccs  since like flu without fuss. Covid may seriously 7 quickly  damage your lungs, limit your oxygen intake etc and ICUs throughout the world are overflowing with unvaccinated people & very busy mortuaries. 

Agree - I find it incredible that people who were vaxxed as kids are now kicking up against vaccination against a potentially deadly illness. Where are their heads?

Of course social media, (Dr. Facebook and Prof Twitter) has a lot to answer for....IMO, of course.

 

As for the highest deaths in USA being "in Right Wing Southern Trump states...." there's  Darwinism at work for you!

Here in UK, in areas with high South Asian population, people are not getting vaxxed due to that great Conspiracy Theory known as religion!

(I know how to win friends and influence people ????)

Edited October 6, 2021 by VBF

[IamNoone88]

2 hours ago, Pinot said:

Another brilliant opinion expressed by an educated virologist, obviously. Here I thought it more about death but I'm sure you're right, it's the economy. 

"Its the economy stupid" Yes, a very well educated businessman and Wharton Alumni.

[Luton]

The article (to which we are all responding) is very lop-sided and avoids the truth about the many damaging vaccine side-effects and deaths caused by these experimental products all over the world now. This is not scaremongering and is based on different Government stats (which can be verified) and so it is dealing with facts.

 

The 'vaccinations' don't give immunity. Don't prevent infection. Those are facts also, admitted by health agencies.

What if....merely a 'what if', and I'm not promoting this...what if 'breakthrough' cases are really caused by the vaccines? In other words, what if one's immune system is weakened by the spike protein delivered by the vaccines, resulting in all sorts of physical ailments? A number of reputable and well-qualified medical professionals and scientists are now suggesting this is so, but the knee-jerk reaction from Governments (and media propaganda) is to censor them and remove a reasoned debate about everything.

Please stop victimising the unvaccinated and become better informed. By far most 'breakthrough' cases in Israel and other Countries are among the 'fully vaccinated'.

Re-assess Ivermectin and ditch the horse-dewormer tag! The product certified for humans is relevant and helpful....See India and Japan.

 

 

 

 

[kiwikeith]

2 hours ago, Pinot said:

What??? Who writes that? 

 

I just didn't realize there were so many qualified Immunologists, Virologists and Epidemiologists here on Asean Now. 

 

Get vaccinated. It's a couple of shots in the arm. Save yourself, family and friends from getting deathly sick. What's wrong with you guys? You'd rather not get vaccinated and expose yourself and everyone around you, so that you can cuck the libs???

Jacinda's Mob, says,"The Virus will track down the unvaccinated" so get it quick, if you don't you will,

1 Loose your job.

2 Not be allowed on a Air NZ flight.

3Not allowed to attend a concert. (protestors excluded). but may be arrested and fined, what we decide to fine you, were adjusting that by the day to cover costs.

4 not be allowed into restaurants (even though vaccinated and reinfected persons can enter and spread the disease)

5 Will not be allowed to enter building supply companies if self employed unless you have a vaccine passport.

6 Handymen must be fully vaccinated to carry out home repairs and gardening, includes landscapers and tree pruners.

7 Garbage men not allowed to set foot on properties , must wear masks and have completed a covid health certificate to at least level 3 and have a current vaccine passport.

8 working from home if unvaccinated must spray document bags before courier picks then up, must not make contact less then being 2 m apart and wear an approved medical mask.

9 All others must self isolate you may face loosing your unemployment benefit  if refusing a job that requires you to be fully vaccinated.

 

[EricTh]

6 hours ago, mikebell said:

My daughter in UK, double jabbed with AZ, has come down with Covid; she is a teacher.

 

How serious is the symptoms? Does she need oxygen tank?

[dave moir]

17 hours ago, Nojohndoe said:

Keywords. Pandemic .  Sars and MERS never progressed to same status. Malaria , Dengue etc are endemic but avoidable.

So is Covid 19 avoidable ????

[sambum]

17 hours ago, rvaviator said:

Yes ... not sure how many died of Malaria or Dengue in Norway last year ...

Probably notalot! However neither Malaria or Dengue are contagious! 

[aussiebrian]

I am embarrassed to be a westerner, to think that some Thais read this thread filled with qanon propaganda. It is like what you would read on sites like Rumble for Flat earthers full of medical misinformation, false claims and conspiracy theories. 
With so many antivaxers, anti markers posting here I predict covid19 will be with us for a long time. 
I see demonstrations happening in most western countries against controlling covid19 outbreaks. It is the 21st century, not the 17th.
I would like to see these tinfoilhat brigade working in covid19 wards with no PPE, they would soon change their minds.
I personally know many unvaccinated friends in India that have died and are still suffering from long covid. One friend has been on oxygen since April.
What is wrong with these people?? Stupidity at it highest.

 

It is almost impossible to change their minds they won't get it till they get it.

https://gulfnews.com/photos/news/celebrity-anti-vaxxers-who-died-of-covid-19-1.1632401033596?slide=12

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/21/anti-vax-radio-hosts-dying-covid

 

Edited October 6, 2021 by aussiebrian
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[Millcx]

20 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Most deadly? Really?

That’s it boys … use the Fear factor.. keep it going to keep fat cats in control

[d2b2]

7 hours ago, Bim Smith said:

The propaganda is becoming relentless. So do they work or don't they. Project Veritas is blowing this whole narrative wide open. Shouldn't that be the headline?

James O’Keefe and his Project Veritas are proven fraudsters.  He is a provocateur to whom no act is stopping too low to promote himself and his false narrative. He has zero credibility. Basing one’s health choices on his pronouncements is more dangerous than Russian roulette.

[kiwikeith]

1 hour ago, dave moir said:

So is Covid 19 avoidable ????

Probably, if your fit and healthy with no bad underlying conditions.

Even if you catch it you will recover in self isolation ,unless complications set in, go to hospital.

The only thing that seems unavoidable is jabber, he is going to track you down, before the virus tracks you down, then you are 11 times more likely to die, that of course is if you are over 75 have smoked like a train, have epilepsy, diabetes cancer, multiple cirrhosis or any other disease the a common flue might turn into pneumonia  

[tandor]

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

I tried to find a definition for "weak virus" either from epidemiology or science in general. No luck. Can you provide a link to this term allegedly used by scientists?

YouTube This Week in Virology (TWiV) by Professor Vincent Racianello and his bi-weekly Podcast panel.

 

Edited October 6, 2021 by tandor

[metisdead]

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An off topic post trolling about AIDS has been removed. 

[richard_smith237]

9 minutes ago, kiwikeith said:

Probably, if your fit and healthy with no bad underlying conditions.

Even if you catch it you will recover in self isolation ,unless complications set in, go to hospital.

The only thing that seems unavoidable is jabber, he is going to track you down, before the virus tracks you down, then you are 11 times more likely to die, that of course is if you are over 75 have smoked like a train, have epilepsy, diabetes cancer, multiple cirrhosis or any other disease the a common flue might turn into pneumonia  

I know some very fit and healthy people who’ve been kicked into touch by Covid-19. 

One a young girl - a runner was bed-ridden for 10 days or so....  

Another, 45 yrs old, fit and healthy, was in hospital for weeks....

 

Both survived, I think both are fine now....  But one one wants to be sick in a bed for day let alone weeks.

 

I don’t want to take the chance of being unwell for a few days - the vaccine can easily make this difference.

 

 

I am also happy that travel may now include compulsory masks....  over the past 20+ years I’ve been sick after getting off planes - caught horrible colds /.flu - If mask wearing also stops this I’m happy (and I absolutely hate wearing masks !)

 

 

[SunsetT]

17 hours ago, adexgh said:

You can live in fear for the rest of your life with 10 booster and 10 mask anytime. I won't

The boosters are to enable people to live WITHOUT fear for the rest of their lives!

[metisdead]

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[jacko45k]

7 hours ago, Tonypandy said:

The only people I know that have come down with Covid and these are in the low single figures, did so all after having the 2nd jab.  

Those I know all had Covid pre vaccination.

[metisdead]

4 minutes ago, kiwikeith said:

No copyrighted material was posted, the link is RT News Rick Sanchez, fully available on YouTube Rt portable app and Rt today.

If this was false news I apologize, however RT is a very reliable source fully available on smart tvs worldwide\.

 

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Edited October 6, 2021 by metisdead

[jacko45k]

3 hours ago, brucec64 said:

You must have been so fun at the 1999 going to 2000 New Years Party explaining to everyone that it wasn't really the new century. I remember "that guy" at the party I was at. Nobody really cared then, and I'm sure that hasn't really changed.

Don't blame me for when it all started (AD), you need to speak to a much higher authority!

[Scott Tracy]

Who writes this. So much for stating the bleeding obvious. There is always something more deadly than something else and there is always more of a year left than what is thought. 

 

Someone gets paid for this sort of rubbish?

[Tonypandy]

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Those I know all had Covid pre vaccination.

Why would they need the jab if they already had covid? 

[Tonypandy]

9 hours ago, placeholder said:

Even if your statement is believed, what do you think that proves?

I don't care if you believe my statement, it proves that getting the vaccine is a risk, not getting it you are taking a chance 

[placeholder]

Just now, Tonypandy said:

I don't care if you believe my statement, it proves that getting the vaccine is a risk, not getting it you are taking a chance 

I agree in part. Getting the vaccine is a risk.. A very small risk, but still a risk. What you don't seem to understand is that not getting vaccinated is much more of a risk. The State of Pennsylvania recently released a report revealing that 97% of the deaths in its hospitals were of the unvaccinated. What is so hard to understand about that?

[placeholder]

5 hours ago, Luton said:

The article (to which we are all responding) is very lop-sided and avoids the truth about the many damaging vaccine side-effects and deaths caused by these experimental products all over the world now. This is not scaremongering and is based on different Government stats (which can be verified) and so it is dealing with facts.

 

The 'vaccinations' don't give immunity. Don't prevent infection. Those are facts also, admitted by health agencies.

What if....merely a 'what if', and I'm not promoting this...what if 'breakthrough' cases are really caused by the vaccines? In other words, what if one's immune system is weakened by the spike protein delivered by the vaccines, resulting in all sorts of physical ailments? A number of reputable and well-qualified medical professionals and scientists are now suggesting this is so, but the knee-jerk reaction from Governments (and media propaganda) is to censor them and remove a reasoned debate about everything.

Please stop victimising the unvaccinated and become better informed. By far most 'breakthrough' cases in Israel and other Countries are among the 'fully vaccinated'.

Re-assess Ivermectin and ditch the horse-dewormer tag! The product certified for humans is relevant and helpful....See India and Japan.

 

Such nonsense. Clearly you don't have the least grasp of the role probability plays in science. Just because the vaccines don't guarantee immunity, doesn't mean that they don't provide ac good measure of it. The same goes for infection. You're telling a falsehood when you claim that agencies admit that vaccines don't provide any protection.

 

There is absolutely no evidence that the spike protein, which mobilizes the immune system, causes ailments. None. Zero. Nada. Zip. And, of course, by mentioning baseless claims, you are promoting them.

 

As for your nonsense about breakthrough cases. The definition of a breakthrough case is that the disease reoccurs for someone who has either been vaccinated or naturally been infected. Lots more people in Israel have been vaccinated than naturally infected. So naturally there are a lot more breakthrough cases among them. And even though there's good evidence that natural infection provides stronger immunity, you've got to run the far greater risk of contracting a serious illness or even dying from that natural infection. Hardly a sensible way to acquire immunity.

As for Ivermectin, yes, it's very useful for parasites, Brilliant actually, But that doesn't mean it's effective against Covid. Brazil stopped distributing it because it made no difference in clinical outcomes.

 

Edited October 6, 2021 by placeholder

[placeholder]

22 minutes ago, Tonypandy said:

Why would they need the jab if they already had covid? 

Most likely, they are better protected. But a nice bonus of getting vaccinated after having covid, is that it seems to provide super immunity. Even to more distantly related viral disease vectors.