54 minutes ago, johng said:

I remember at the beginning of the mask wearing there where reports of children passing out whilst

exercising at school   and the "experts" then recommending that strenuous  exercise not be done whilst wearing a mask..also remember about the build up of bad bacteria on mask  when worn for extended time ?

Again, fake news quackery. A doctor recorded his oxygen levels while running a good distance. The mask had NO affect on his oxygen. You can Google it if you want.

Wait! 143 deaths a day from Covid is "manageable"?!? Sheesh!

8 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

Somebody actually talking sense at last and willing admire and emulate what other countries have done. 

Learning to live with this virus is the only way forward. In the long term, lockdowns just create more problems than they solve.

Most countries have realized that and lock down nazis are keeping their mouths shut.  Vaccination and some control measures like mask mandates are the only solutions and each country has to figure out the threshold of death and infection their health care system can handle and keep those infrastructures uptodate for foreseeable future. No matter what vaccines you give, it is not the only solution. Just look at UK, Israel, and Singapore. Even small isolated countries are not able to control infections. 

6 hours ago, James105 said:

Ok. So let's try it this way.   Does the vaccine protect you?

Yes - Then stop worrying about other people taking it. You and others that took it are safe.

No - Then stop forcing people to take something that you don't believe works.

You are right, I am vaccinated, why should I care if there are hundreds people dying and Thailand is in lockdown and the economy is in free fall and I have severe restrictions in travel and I can't visit my family since 2 years, yeah sure what do I care, I am vaccinated the rest doesn't matter.

 

Brilliant.

Before 2020, there was the plethora of barstool CIA/MI6/Special Forces veterans doling out their expertise to one and all.  Well, that was when they weren't solving all the crimes in Thailand as chief detective/forensic pathologist.

 

Now we've entered the age of the barstool doctor and virologist.

The senior vaccination rate is still a bit low at this point in the overall vaccination. It appears to have hit vaccination hesitancy.

1 hour ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Again, fake news quackery. A doctor recorded his oxygen levels while running a good distance. The mask had NO affect on his oxygen. You can Google it if you want.

Weird i get breathing problems after less then 10 minutes.. 

7 hours ago, James105 said:

Ok. So let's try it this way.   Does the vaccine protect you?

Yes - Then stop worrying about other people taking it. You and others that took it are safe.

No - Then stop forcing people to take something that you don't believe works.

Does the vaccine lower transmission rates in addition to reducing the severity of breakthrough infections? Yes. Does lowering transmission rates mean that variants have a significantly reduced opportunity to evolve in the general population in order to change into forms less protected by vaccines? Yes. Well, then, each of us does. have an interest in those around us being vaccinated. 

1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Wait! 143 deaths a day from Covid is "manageable"?!? Sheesh!

Look how much they care about the chronic, high amount of daily road deaths from having zero enforcement of traffic laws for that statement about Covid-related deaths to make sense. 

lol, that goes against everything we see in the top-vaccinated countries: cases and hospitalizations often at higher levels than in 2020, when there were NO vaccines! ????   Now use your head and ask yourself why that may be?

 

These vaccines do not much more than "hide" symptoms - so vaccinated people can easily become super-spreaders, because usually they will feel more confident and can carry higher viral loads without noticing they are carrying the virus.

 

But since the virus is mainly a risk for actual RISK GROUPS (75+ years old, diabetics, obese, lung diseases), the rational thing would be to provide this new technology to the actual risk groups, and let the other people alone.  Let the economy run again and open up for tourism.

 

About time to fade out the hysteria!

 

Not vaccinated and still not a "case", so maybe it's not so difficult to become a "case" when you have a brain ?

 

10 hours ago, James105 said:

Ok. So let's try it this way.   Does the vaccine protect you?

Yes - Then stop worrying about other people taking it. You and others that took it are safe.

 

Actually, no. As seen in the US and some other places, when a large portion of the public refuses to get vaccinated the virus continues to infect large numbers of the unvaccinated, especially when things open up. This floods the medical system with new cases and prevents people with other medical issues from getting treatment (cancer patients for example). This forces the government to re-implement lockdown measures, affecting everyone. Furthermore, the pool of unvaccinated people serve as a petri dish for the evolution of new variants that current vaccines are less effective against.

 

We live in a society. Our actions or lack of such has an effect on others. 

spider mike, you do a good impression of the General PM. Mr. Khaki.

What is with the south not getting their vaccinations? Is that something

the Muslims do not believe in? Just wondering.  I hope that all of Thailand gets their shots

by December, at lest in the popular cities and towns.  My Thai family have all has their first shots, and most have got a second shot of AZ

as well. No Chinese stuff for them, they all took their chances and waited for the better vaccine formula.

   Now in Canada, I wished that some of my family members in their 30s and 40s would get the jab, but in the north they

think that they will not contract COVID, and will survive if they do. I hope that is not a fatal decision for them.

   Keep on vaccinating, good luck.

Geezer

 

Really?

I know that all first world nations state unequivocally that you cannot vaccinate your way out of a wave.

True, your vaccination rate will bring these numbers down but Thailand knows different?  I don't think so kid.  

11 hours ago, James105 said:

Ok. So let's try it this way.   Does the vaccine protect you?

Yes - Then stop worrying about other people taking it. You and others that took it are safe.

No - Then stop forcing people to take something that you don't believe works.

so, dude, let us put it this way....

 

The vaccine is meant to protect people who take it, and the people they come in contact with (lower chance of catching it and transmitting it) and it does, but it's not a one hundred percent guarantee.

 

So, even being vaccinated it's possible to get sick and that means that the more potential carriers (especially unvaccinated people) we come in contact with, the higher the chances we might get sick regardless of our shots (or spread it to people we know)

 

Idiots (yes, you read it right, total IDIOTS) who don't want to get vaccinated are selfish, dumb a-holes who will make life harder for everybody else by allowing the virus to thrive and spread easily.

They want to be free to be selfish idiots? Well then, I want to be free to choose not to be close to any of those morons.

 

I work for a school and we all voted to have vaccines mandatory for all workers and students. I also strongly support any vaccine passport. I don't want to get on an airplane or sit in a  restaurant or work daily with some dimwit who gets his news from conspiracy theorists.

 

Vaccines are produced by the same science that produced penicillin, antibiotics and so on. You don't want vaccines? Okay, then stop using all the other medicines, driving cars, playing video games on computers. Go live on a forest, maybe join a cult. and survive on what you can procure and make  yourself (and have fun).

 

People who want to be part of a society or group have to sometimes do what's best for everybody, not just indulge their deluded fantasies. If they prefer not to be , well then, that is their choice and they can exercise it anytime by going to live in some forest on their own.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Used2LuvThailand said:

Now we've entered the age of the barstool doctor and virologist.

It's inevitable....the internet has democratised and demystified a lot of information

that authoritarians preferred we had little or no access to.

12 hours ago, James105 said:

Ok. So let's try it this way.   Does the vaccine protect you?

Yes - Then stop worrying about other people taking it. You and others that took it are safe.

No - Then stop forcing people to take something that you don't believe works.

This argument has been trotted out here in the US by the anti-vaxxers for the measles vax for many years.

Argument is tired and old and I'm guessing you already know the answer.

 

If you don't want the shot fine, (I know; you say you already got it, but you are presenting an anti-vax argument)

go about your business, maybe you will be lucky.

If you are not lucky you may have the experience of paralytic drugs, medically induced coma, extracorporeal membrane oxygenation machines, damage to brain, heart, kidneys, liver, obviously lungs and best of all you may find out the answer to that eternal question "What happens after death?".

 

You are so sure about your decision, why try and convince others that the vaccines are no good? 

Just be happy that you are so smart, such an independent thinker, and have such a great immune system cuz you exercise and control your weight and eat blueberries.

 

 

48 minutes ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

It's inevitable....the internet has democratised and demystified a lot of information

that authoritarians preferred we had little or no access to.

The problem, which is seen on here over and over again, is people reading information that they don't have the background (or aren't willing to make the effort) to understand, and grasping at something misunderstood or taken out of context.

 

A few examples:

 

For example, the fear of mRNA vaccines.

 

A TVF poster informed me (here on TVF) that mRNA "teaches the cell" how to make the spike protein and that when the mRNA is gone from the body the cell "remembers how to make the the spike protein", and that the "spike protein is a virus protein" which he interpreted to mean that the spike protein could cause illness. From these interpretations he concluded that after receiving the mRNA vaccine you are at risk for the rest of your life for your cells making the spike protein and that protein causing the COVID illness in your body.

 

Additionally, a fairly simple thing like efficacy is widely misinterpreted here on TVF. 

 

There have been repeated posts about an infection in chickens that had no relevance to COVID because of its rapid mortality. Several posters claimed this proved something about COVID in spite of the fact that it clearly did not, the mortality characteristics of COVID being radically different.

 

So a lot of information is not "demystified", some people just think they understand it.

 

 

 

11 hours ago, hotchilli said:

I spoke with my brother in the UK today.

85% are double vaxxed with vaccines that work.

Yes infection rates are at around 30,000 daily, but only 5% are ending up in hospital.

Vaccinations were always the only answer, but last year and early this year our illustrious leader had other ideas.

Where your brother gets his figures from? According to NYT tracker UK is 67% fully vaccinated,  heaps of countries have better vaccination rates.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html

Numerous off-topic posts, posts with false or misleading information and troll posts removed.  

 

11 hours ago, dave moir said:

I understand that the majority of hospitalised people are the vaccinated!!!????

June 2021	July 2021	August 2021	Total
New hospital admissions of adult patients with confirmed COVID-19	60,000	125,000	345,000	530,000
Estimated share of adults hospitalized with COVID-19 who were unvaccinated	86%	86%	86%	86%

14 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

Sure, but you need to ask some other questions:

 

Can everyone take the vaccine and benefit from the protection?

No

 

Is it possible for some people who have been vaccinated to still get seriously ill or die?

Yes

 

Which leads to the following question:

 

Does the vaccine reduce or slow spread protecting everyone?

Yes - So it is in the interest of everyone that as many people get the vaccine as possible.

 

Unfortunately, your logic is faulty.

I rarely waste my time any more with people who post such arrogant twaddle who obviously have no concept of what public health is about or what it means to leave large portions of the population as walking Petri dishes. Dunning-Krüger says 'Hi!'.

Thanks for saving me the time this time. 

13 hours ago, hotchilli said:

I spoke with my brother in the UK today.

85% are double vaxxed with vaccines that work.

Yes infection rates are at around 30,000 daily, but only 5% are ending up in hospital.

Vaccinations were always the only answer, but last year and early this year our illustrious leader had other ideas.

your brother has got it wrong. the double vaccine figure is 67% of the population  - single 73%. These re getting near to the figures required.

the higher percentage relates to adults (over 18s) or something like that. They are now vaccinating minors which should bring the levels up rot that golden 80%.

 

Thailand appears to be at Completed Vaccinations 32%% of Population, 22,386,653.

 

the problem here is without lockdown restrictions those not fully vaccinated are still vulnerable to the most serious effects of the virus - hospitalisation and death.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Thunglom said:

your brother has got it wrong. the double vaccine figure is 67% of the population  - single 73%. These re getting near to the figures required.

the higher percentage relates to adults (over 18s) or something like that. They are now vaccinating minors which should bring the levels up rot that golden 80%.

 

Thailand appears to be at Completed Vaccinations 32%% of Population, 22,386,653.

 

the problem here is without lockdown restrictions those not fully vaccinated are still vulnerable to the most serious effects of the virus - hospitalisation and death.

 

 

Thanks, but you won't mind if I believe my brother.

1 minute ago, hotchilli said:

Thanks, but you won't mind if I believe my brother.

Up to you, but I use government and internationally recognised statistics and know how to read.

8 hours ago, ericbj said:

A group of 600 doctors world-wide has found they were able to cure 100% of Covid-19 cases ON CONDITION BLOOD OXYGEN LEVELS REMAIN ABOVE 79%.

So you say, without so much as a substantiating link.......looks more like a chicken and egg scenario to me.

I think we have got past the evil killing mask scenario that was being spouted by fools way back in early to mid 2020. 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=OWID_WRL

 

according to the link above, as of the 7th October the UK figure fully vaxxed is 66%. Confusion can arise interpretating the data published on news channels. Today I saw on the BBC news the figure for over 12's was 80+% or thereabouts, but for overall population the link above seems credible

UK heading for vax no.3 and Israel already onto vax no.4.

I sincerely hope Thailand does not fall into a cycle of endless vaccines to the benefit of big pharma companies. 
 

1 minute ago, Stoker58 said:

UK heading for vax no.3 and Israel already onto vax no.4.

I sincerely hope Thailand does not fall into a cycle of endless vaccines to the benefit of big pharma companies. 
 

If the vaccines are necessary to keep Covid at bay I suspect that is where some benefit lies. We can only hope they come up with one which offers enduring resistance. 

5 hours ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

It's inevitable....the internet has democratised and demystified a lot of information

that authoritarians preferred we had little or no access to.

You mean like the poster who cited a video featuring someone who claimed that mRNA vaccines damaged the T-cell system. He cited a research paper he said supported this. The lead researcher for the paper refuted that claim. Not just that, but I produced a recent major study that demonstrated exactly the opposite was the case. mRNA vaccines actually enhance T-cell response. After I posted this info, the person who posted that video  evaporated. without acknowledging its  falsity.  And that person who posted that junk video was you.