Has anyone purchased (not upgraded) Windows 11 in Thailand.

[up2you2]

Seems like my trusty Windows 7 is coming to the end of its shelf life - Macrium will no longer update as an example.
Time to bite the bullet, but hopefully this new version will see me through.
Have to purchase a new computer as my present is no longer compatible, coupled with a learning curve not to be sniffed at.

So my question, has anyone purchased (not upgraded) Windows 11 in Thailand.
And if so, where and how much please?

[soi3eddie]

I just looked at MS Windows Thailand website and they don't seem to show a price for standalone Windows 11 OS. They are promoting buying a new PC with it already installed. FWIW it's a free upgrade from Windows 10 to any compatible PC. I have several laptops and Windows 11 is available to update for free on a couple of them. I haven't tried the new OS yet as Win 10 works fine for me and I see no need to upgrade at present. If I was buying a new PC then going for a pre-installed version of Win 11 would be a good idea to ensure compatibility.

 

[Swiss1960]

@up2you2 when you buy a new computer,  the cost is not Windows 11 (or 10), but the computer and its specifications, I.e. HDD or SDD, chip set, graphic card, screen size etc. All this depends on your usage. But since you still run Windows 7, I assume that you are a low to standard user with no special needs, therefore 15-25K Baht will give you a decent laptop of 14 or 15".

 

Buy a computer with Windows 10! Make sure, it can later be upgraded to Windows 11 (needs TPM 2.0), if the computer does not say "Windows 11 ready", there is an easy to install App - or an option in the Windows Update settings - to check this, let your seller do this.

 

Windows 11 is still in its early stages, lot of bugs and still missing some features, and I would not recommend it to a normal user yet. Q1 next year will be ok. Upgrade from Windows 10 to 11 is free and easy.

[KhunBENQ]

30 minutes ago, Swiss1960 said:

Buy a computer with Windows 10! Make sure, it can later be upgraded to Windows 11 (needs TPM 2.0),

Fully agree. Leave time for the "beta testers" to find the worst bugs in W11.

[Chad3000]

I'm having few issues. Very stable on Asus 3.5 years old. i8 processor.

 

It's overly secure for my needs.

 

I don't like the start menu or can't drag drop on apps in taskbar.

 

Wouldn't recommend upgrade but you'll have to sooner or later

[Chad3000]

38 minutes ago, Swiss1960 said:

still in its early stages, lot of bugs and still missing some features,

Rubbish

[Chad3000]

1 hour ago, soi3eddie said:

Windows 11 OS.

If it can be purchased the only legitimate way will be through trusted channels. Direct OEM MSFT or maybe Jib or huge legit retailer.

 

W11 is very clever the days of pirating MS products are closing.

[Swiss1960]

21 minutes ago, Chad3000 said:

Rubbish

You should shut the f*** up, if you have no idea what you are talking about. I am a IT professional, using both Windows 10 and Windows 11. Quote from the Windows 11 site: 

"The upgrade will then roll out over time to in-market devices based on intelligence models that consider hardware eligibility, reliability metrics, age of device and other factors that impact the upgrade experience. We expect all eligible devices to be offered the free upgrade to Windows 11 by mid-2022."

 

And here is the list of bugs that were fixed as of 12 November:

Today we’re releasing Windows 11 Build 22000.346 (KB5007262) to Windows Insiders in the Beta and Release Preview Channels.

This update includes the following improvements:

• We fixed an issue that affects the Appx PowerShell cmdlet functionality on PowerShell 7.1 and later.
• We fixed an issue that causes some users to see an unexpected “bad image” error message dialog at startup.
• We fixed an issue that causes searchindexer.exe to stop responding during a dismount operation in the remote desktop environment.
• We fixed an issue that affects the opening of the SearchFilterHost.exe process.
• We added support for the cancellation of daylight savings time for the Republic of Fiji for 2021.
• We fixed an issue that causes devices that have certain processors to stop responding when waking from hibernation.
• We fixed a COM initialization issue in wslapi.dll that might cause the calling process to stop working.
• We fixed an issue in the Hyper-V virtual machine bus (VMBus) that causes the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) VM to occasionally time out when attaching disks. This issue also prevents the utility from starting.
• We fixed an issue that affects the System Memory Management Unit’s (SMMU) fault handling after hibernation.
• We fixed an issue that causes the system to stop working after you enable Hyper-V.
• We fixed an issue that fails to apply machine Group Policy objects automatically at startup or in the background to devices on a domain that have certain processors.
• We fixed an issue that causes the Server Manager cmdlet to return a failure. As a result, many Software Defined Data Center (SDDC) validations fail during the installation of optional features.
• We added the option to configure an Internet Protocol version 4 (IPv4) maximum transmission unit (MTU) that is less than 576 bytes on an interface.
• We fixed an issue that causes get-winevent to fail, and the error is an InvalidOperationException.
• We fixed an issue that incorrectly renders some variable fonts.
• We fixed an issue that displays glyphs at the wrong angle when you use the Meiryo UI font and other vertical fonts. These fonts are frequently used in Japan, China, or other countries in Asia.
• We added a feature to facilitate certain cross-browser data transfers.
• We fixed an issue that occurs when a dialog opens within Internet Explorer.
• We fixed an issue in CLSID_InternetExplorer. [UPDATED] We fixed an issue that affects Internet Explorer COM automation scenarios. For more information, see Internet Explorer 11 desktop app retirement FAQ.
• We fixed an issue that causes Internet Explorer to stop working when you copy and paste text while using the Input Method Editor (IME).
• We fixed an issue that causes certain apps to stop responding to input. This issue occurs on devices that have a touchpad.
• We fixed a touch keyboard deployment issue that affects WebView2 controls in Windows UI Library 3.0 (WinUI 3) applications.
• We fixed a memory leak in ctfmon.exe that occurs when you switch between different edit clients.
• We updated the phone number for Windows Activation for locales that have the wrong phone number.
• We fixed a known issue that causes error codes 0x000006e4, 0x0000007c, or 0x00000709 when connecting to a remote printer that is shared on a Windows print server.
• We fixed an issue that affects USB Print devices that support Internet Printing Protocol (IPP) Over USB. This issue prevents these USB Print devices from completing installation.
• We fixed an issue that causes certain USB Print installers to report that they don’t detect the printer after you plug it in.
• We fixed an issue where OS functionality could be improperly redirected when microsoft-edge: links are invoked.
• We fixed an issue in the Windows audio system that might cause the audiodg.exe process to stop working, which results in a temporary loss of audio.
• We fixed an issue that prevents Software-Defined Networking (SDN) virtual machines from working when you configure the Generic Routing Encapsulation (GRE) VPN bandwidth limitation.
• We fixed an issue that might cause the return value of GetCommandLineA() to be lowercase in some developer scenarios.
• We fixed a Primary Refresh Token (PRT) update issue that occurs when VPN users sign in using Windows Hello for Business when the VPN connection is offline. Users receive unexpected authentication prompts for online resources that are configured for user sign-in frequency (SIF) in Azure Active Directory-Conditional Access.
• We added the message that indicates that an organization’s policy manages the user’s location privacy settings. This message appears when the privacy settings are controlled by the Group Policy documented in Manage connections from Windows 10 and Windows 11 operating system components to Microsoft services.
• We fixed an issue that affects the Fast Identity Online 2.0 (FIDO2) credential provider and prevents the display of the PIN entry box.
• We fixed an issue that causes Windows Defender Application Control to incorrectly compare two file version numbers.
• We enhanced Microsoft Defender for Endpoint’s ability to identify and intercept ransomware and advanced attacks.
• We fixed an issue that might cause Windows Mixed Reality to start when you put on a headset. This issue occurs even when you’ve turned off the option “Start Mixed Reality Portal when my headset’s presence sensor detects that I’m wearing it”.
• We fixed an audio distortion issue that affects Xbox One and Xbox Series Audio peripherals and occurs when you use them with spatial audio.
• We fixed an issue that causes the AltGr key to stop working if a remote desktop client is running or if RemoteApp was disconnected.
• We fixed an issue that causes the edit button and the battery icon in Quick Settings to intermittently disappear.
• We fixed an issue that affects the Focus Assist button in the notification area, and we provided an accessible name for screen readers.
• We updated several aspects of Windows emoji. As part of an iterative and ongoing work, we have made the following improvements for this release:
  • Updated all emoji in the Segoe UI Emoji font to the Fluent 2D emoji style
  • Included support for Emoji 13.1, which:
    • Updated the emoji dictionary
    • Added the ability to search for Emoji 13.1 in all supported languages
    • Updated the Emoji and more panel so you can enter emoji in your applications

• We fixed an issue that affects the display of the number of unread notifications; some numbers don’t appear in the center of the circle in the notification area.
• We fixed an issue that affects the Start menu when you install a large number of apps and change the screen resolution. The app names appear on the Start menu, but the app icons are missing. This update might also improve the reliability of the Start menu when you use secondary monitors in mixed resolution scenarios.
• We fixed an issue that causes flickering when you hover over icons on the taskbar; this issue occurs if you’ve applied a high contrast theme.
• We updated the Start menu’s Ease of Access folder name to “Accessibility” to match our naming standard across Windows 11 (original release).
• We fixed an issue that affects Microsoft Narrator users when they select Braille options in Settings.
• We changed the screen color to blue when a device stops working or a stop error occurs as in previous versions of Windows.
• We fixed an issue that causes some app icons in the Start’s All apps list to be cut off on the bottom after you change the screen resolution.
• We fixed an issue that, under certain conditions, prevents the keyboard focus rectangle from being visible when you use Task View, Alt-Tab, or Snap Assist.
• We fixed an issue that affects apps that provide context (shortcut) menu items in File Explorer and desktop context menus. This issue occurs if these apps utilize Directory or Directory\Background registrations.
• We fixed an issue that automatically removes the Serbian (Latin) Windows display language from a device .
• We fixed an issue that displays the incorrect background for the iFLY Simplified Chinese IME icon in the notification area.
• We fixed an issue that displays a blank space on the bottom of the Touch keyboard when you close the keyboard while the Suggestion UI is expanded.
• We fixed reliability issues that prevent the display of File Explorer and desktop shortcut menus. This issue often occurs when you choose to use a single click to open an item.
• We added an option for you to choose whether to automatically turn on Focus Assist for the first hour after a Windows feature update.
• We improved the animation performance of icons on the taskbar.
• We fixed a reliability issue on the lock screen that affects the rendering of the network status text.
• We fixed volume control issues that affect Bluetooth audio devices.
• We fixed an issue that causes File Explorer to stop working after you close a File Explorer window.
• We fixed an issue that displays incorrect closed-caption shadows for some videos.
• We fixed an issue that causes the Windows Update History page in the Settings app to display a summary count of zero (0) updates per category when there are updates listed.
• We fixed an issue that occurs when you run a 32-bit application on a 64-bit version of Windows 11. If you call NetServerEnum(), it might return error 87 or error 1231.
• We fixed an issue that prevents your device from starting up, and it becomes unresponsive because of licensing API calls.
• We fixed an issue in the Windows Network File System (NFS) client that might prevent you from renaming a file after mounting an NFS share. This issue occurs if you rename the file using File Explorer but does not occur if you rename the file using command line.
• We fixed an issue that prevents flash drives, such SD cards and certain USB drives, from appearing in the Defragment and Optimize Drives UI.
• We fixed an issue that might cause a stop error in volmgr.sys when you delete a volume.
• We fixed an issue that affects NTFS when you enable the update sequence number (USN) journal. NTFS performs unnecessary actions each time it performs a write operation, which affects I/O performance.
• We enabled onunload events to create pop-up windows in Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode.

[KhunBENQ]

It's amazing that there are people who trust in newly released MS products.

 

[Swiss1960]

35 minutes ago, Chad3000 said:

Wouldn't recommend upgrade but you'll have to sooner or later

End of support for Windows 10, as announced by Microsoft, is currently 14 October 2025... ????

[chrisinth]

1 hour ago, Chad3000 said:

Very stable on Asus 3.5 years old. i8 processor

Do you mean 8th generation Intel? Haven't heard of an i8 processor (not saying it doesn't exist, just haven't heard of it)

[ThaiFelix]

I am still having loads of problems with Win 10, certainly not looking forward to 11.  MS have done 2 updates in last couple of weeks even though I have done everything I can find to turn them off.  Each of the updates have removed all my files, settings etc and taken me hours to reverse the updates and get my laptop back.  It would be nice to actually have some control of your own computer or get an update that works instead of them releasing a product and them waiting for their customers to tell them whats wrong with it!!    

[GrandPapillon]

To the OP,

 

if you have Win7, you are eligible to a free Win10 upgrade, just download the "Upgrade to Windows 10" thing on MS website

 

make sure to clear up at least 10GB or more on your C Drive

 

once done, and after a few hours, you will have the options to upgrade to Win11 free

 

personally Win10 is much better than Win7, so you will be better off at the end

[Swiss1960]

42 minutes ago, chrisinth said:

Do you mean 8th generation Intel? Haven't heard of an i8 processor (not saying it doesn't exist, just haven't heard of it)

Be careful not to confuse this person with too much expertise... ???? and indeed, the I series is only using odd numbers as to not confuse people with number of cores.

[GrandPapillon]

7 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

I am still having loads of problems with Win 10, certainly not looking forward to 11.  MS have done 2 updates in last couple of weeks even though I have done everything I can find to turn them off.  Each of the updates have removed all my files, settings etc and taken me hours to reverse the updates and get my laptop back.  It would be nice to actually have some control of your own computer or get an update that works instead of them releasing a product and them waiting for their customers to tell them whats wrong with it!!    

you can suspend the "updates" up to 1 month,

 

just have to remember to do it every months ????

 

seems to be working fine for the last 6 months ????

 

[Swiss1960]

2 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

To the OP,

 

if you have Win7, you are eligible to a free Win10 upgrade, just download the "Upgrade to Windows 10" thing on MS website

 

make sure to clear up at least 10GB or more on your C Drive

 

once done, and after a few hours, you will have the options to upgrade to Win11 free

 

personally Win10 is much better than Win7, so you will be better off at the end

It does not matter, whether somebody likes W7 better or less than W10. The point is that W7 is not supported anymore and therefore, a person using W7 is endangering their own data. 

 

Second, depending on how old the computer is that the OP is currently using, an upgrade to W10 might crash his computer or make it SOOOOO slow, that he will regret the time he invested to cleanup and upgrade the old machine, specially, if the old computer does not have an SSD for the OS (which I recommend to everybody nowadays, SSD is not expensive anymore). 

[GrandPapillon]

2 minutes ago, Swiss1960 said:

Second, depending on how old the computer is that the OP is currently using, an upgrade to W10 might crash his computer or make it SOOOOO slow, that he will regret the time he invested to cleanup and upgrade the old machine

disagree here, I upgraded an old Sony VAIO laptop from 2010 with 500GB SATA and Win10 was smooth and fast

 

10 years ago, machines were ultra fast and perfectly fit for Win10

 

that might change with Win11 though ????

 

[Bruno123]

4 hours ago, up2you2 said:

Seems like my trusty Windows 7 is coming to the end of its shelf life - Macrium will no longer update as an example.
Time to bite the bullet, but hopefully this new version will see me through.
Have to purchase a new computer as my present is no longer compatible, coupled with a learning curve not to be sniffed at.

So my question, has anyone purchased (not upgraded) Windows 11 in Thailand.
And if so, where and how much please?

 

Install Windows 10 Pro to the new device and then upgrade to 11 Pro. Less than 100 baht.

[Chad3000]

2 hours ago, Swiss1960 said:

You should shut the f*** up, if you have no idea what you are talking about. I am a IT professional, using both Windows 10 and Windows 11. Quote from the Windows 11 site: 

"The upgrade will then roll out over time to in-market devices based on intelligence models that consider hardware eligibility, reliability metrics, age of device and other factors that impact the upgrade experience. We expect all eligible devices to be offered the free upgrade to Windows 11 by mid-2022."

 

And here is the list of bugs that were fixed as of 12 November:

Today we’re releasing Windows 11 Build 22000.346 (KB5007262) to Windows Insiders in the Beta and Release Preview Channels.

This update includes the following improvements:

• We fixed an issue that affects the Appx PowerShell cmdlet functionality on PowerShell 7.1 and later.
• We fixed an issue that causes some users to see an unexpected “bad image” error message dialog at startup.
• We fixed an issue that causes searchindexer.exe to stop responding during a dismount operation in the remote desktop environment.
• We fixed an issue that affects the opening of the SearchFilterHost.exe process.
• We added support for the cancellation of daylight savings time for the Republic of Fiji for 2021.
• We fixed an issue that causes devices that have certain processors to stop responding when waking from hibernation.
• We fixed a COM initialization issue in wslapi.dll that might cause the calling process to stop working.
• We fixed an issue in the Hyper-V virtual machine bus (VMBus) that causes the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) VM to occasionally time out when attaching disks. This issue also prevents the utility from starting.
• We fixed an issue that affects the System Memory Management Unit’s (SMMU) fault handling after hibernation.
• We fixed an issue that causes the system to stop working after you enable Hyper-V.
• We fixed an issue that fails to apply machine Group Policy objects automatically at startup or in the background to devices on a domain that have certain processors.
• We fixed an issue that causes the Server Manager cmdlet to return a failure. As a result, many Software Defined Data Center (SDDC) validations fail during the installation of optional features.
• We added the option to configure an Internet Protocol version 4 (IPv4) maximum transmission unit (MTU) that is less than 576 bytes on an interface.
• We fixed an issue that causes get-winevent to fail, and the error is an InvalidOperationException.
• We fixed an issue that incorrectly renders some variable fonts.
• We fixed an issue that displays glyphs at the wrong angle when you use the Meiryo UI font and other vertical fonts. These fonts are frequently used in Japan, China, or other countries in Asia.
• We added a feature to facilitate certain cross-browser data transfers.
• We fixed an issue that occurs when a dialog opens within Internet Explorer.
• We fixed an issue in CLSID_InternetExplorer. [UPDATED] We fixed an issue that affects Internet Explorer COM automation scenarios. For more information, see Internet Explorer 11 desktop app retirement FAQ.
• We fixed an issue that causes Internet Explorer to stop working when you copy and paste text while using the Input Method Editor (IME).
• We fixed an issue that causes certain apps to stop responding to input. This issue occurs on devices that have a touchpad.
• We fixed a touch keyboard deployment issue that affects WebView2 controls in Windows UI Library 3.0 (WinUI 3) applications.
• We fixed a memory leak in ctfmon.exe that occurs when you switch between different edit clients.
• We updated the phone number for Windows Activation for locales that have the wrong phone number.
• We fixed a known issue that causes error codes 0x000006e4, 0x0000007c, or 0x00000709 when connecting to a remote printer that is shared on a Windows print server.
• We fixed an issue that affects USB Print devices that support Internet Printing Protocol (IPP) Over USB. This issue prevents these USB Print devices from completing installation.
• We fixed an issue that causes certain USB Print installers to report that they don’t detect the printer after you plug it in.
• We fixed an issue where OS functionality could be improperly redirected when microsoft-edge: links are invoked.
• We fixed an issue in the Windows audio system that might cause the audiodg.exe process to stop working, which results in a temporary loss of audio.
• We fixed an issue that prevents Software-Defined Networking (SDN) virtual machines from working when you configure the Generic Routing Encapsulation (GRE) VPN bandwidth limitation.
• We fixed an issue that might cause the return value of GetCommandLineA() to be lowercase in some developer scenarios.
• We fixed a Primary Refresh Token (PRT) update issue that occurs when VPN users sign in using Windows Hello for Business when the VPN connection is offline. Users receive unexpected authentication prompts for online resources that are configured for user sign-in frequency (SIF) in Azure Active Directory-Conditional Access.
• We added the message that indicates that an organization’s policy manages the user’s location privacy settings. This message appears when the privacy settings are controlled by the Group Policy documented in Manage connections from Windows 10 and Windows 11 operating system components to Microsoft services.
• We fixed an issue that affects the Fast Identity Online 2.0 (FIDO2) credential provider and prevents the display of the PIN entry box.
• We fixed an issue that causes Windows Defender Application Control to incorrectly compare two file version numbers.
• We enhanced Microsoft Defender for Endpoint’s ability to identify and intercept ransomware and advanced attacks.
• We fixed an issue that might cause Windows Mixed Reality to start when you put on a headset. This issue occurs even when you’ve turned off the option “Start Mixed Reality Portal when my headset’s presence sensor detects that I’m wearing it”.
• We fixed an audio distortion issue that affects Xbox One and Xbox Series Audio peripherals and occurs when you use them with spatial audio.
• We fixed an issue that causes the AltGr key to stop working if a remote desktop client is running or if RemoteApp was disconnected.
• We fixed an issue that causes the edit button and the battery icon in Quick Settings to intermittently disappear.
• We fixed an issue that affects the Focus Assist button in the notification area, and we provided an accessible name for screen readers.
• We updated several aspects of Windows emoji. As part of an iterative and ongoing work, we have made the following improvements for this release:
  • Updated all emoji in the Segoe UI Emoji font to the Fluent 2D emoji style
  • Included support for Emoji 13.1, which:
    • Updated the emoji dictionary
    • Added the ability to search for Emoji 13.1 in all supported languages
    • Updated the Emoji and more panel so you can enter emoji in your applications

• We fixed an issue that affects the display of the number of unread notifications; some numbers don’t appear in the center of the circle in the notification area.
• We fixed an issue that affects the Start menu when you install a large number of apps and change the screen resolution. The app names appear on the Start menu, but the app icons are missing. This update might also improve the reliability of the Start menu when you use secondary monitors in mixed resolution scenarios.
• We fixed an issue that causes flickering when you hover over icons on the taskbar; this issue occurs if you’ve applied a high contrast theme.
• We updated the Start menu’s Ease of Access folder name to “Accessibility” to match our naming standard across Windows 11 (original release).
• We fixed an issue that affects Microsoft Narrator users when they select Braille options in Settings.
• We changed the screen color to blue when a device stops working or a stop error occurs as in previous versions of Windows.
• We fixed an issue that causes some app icons in the Start’s All apps list to be cut off on the bottom after you change the screen resolution.
• We fixed an issue that, under certain conditions, prevents the keyboard focus rectangle from being visible when you use Task View, Alt-Tab, or Snap Assist.
• We fixed an issue that affects apps that provide context (shortcut) menu items in File Explorer and desktop context menus. This issue occurs if these apps utilize Directory or Directory\Background registrations.
• We fixed an issue that automatically removes the Serbian (Latin) Windows display language from a device .
• We fixed an issue that displays the incorrect background for the iFLY Simplified Chinese IME icon in the notification area.
• We fixed an issue that displays a blank space on the bottom of the Touch keyboard when you close the keyboard while the Suggestion UI is expanded.
• We fixed reliability issues that prevent the display of File Explorer and desktop shortcut menus. This issue often occurs when you choose to use a single click to open an item.
• We added an option for you to choose whether to automatically turn on Focus Assist for the first hour after a Windows feature update.
• We improved the animation performance of icons on the taskbar.
• We fixed a reliability issue on the lock screen that affects the rendering of the network status text.
• We fixed volume control issues that affect Bluetooth audio devices.
• We fixed an issue that causes File Explorer to stop working after you close a File Explorer window.
• We fixed an issue that displays incorrect closed-caption shadows for some videos.
• We fixed an issue that causes the Windows Update History page in the Settings app to display a summary count of zero (0) updates per category when there are updates listed.
• We fixed an issue that occurs when you run a 32-bit application on a 64-bit version of Windows 11. If you call NetServerEnum(), it might return error 87 or error 1231.
• We fixed an issue that prevents your device from starting up, and it becomes unresponsive because of licensing API calls.
• We fixed an issue in the Windows Network File System (NFS) client that might prevent you from renaming a file after mounting an NFS share. This issue occurs if you rename the file using File Explorer but does not occur if you rename the file using command line.
• We fixed an issue that prevents flash drives, such SD cards and certain USB drives, from appearing in the Defragment and Optimize Drives UI.
• We fixed an issue that might cause a stop error in volmgr.sys when you delete a volume.
• We fixed an issue that affects NTFS when you enable the update sequence number (USN) journal. NTFS performs unnecessary actions each time it performs a write operation, which affects I/O performance.
• We enabled onunload events to create pop-up windows in Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode.

LoL

 

IAM A PROFESSIONAL ????????

 

Operating systems as you well know are very complicated. This list will not get any shorter as the OS ages into existence. Windows 10 has a litany of issues - still.

 

I didn't bother reading your drivel but being the kind guy I am won't report you for telling me to SHUT THE F UP!!!

 

That list won't be any shorter two years from now - it's always something.

 

As for the progressive rollout yes that's common knowledge. You gonna wait till 2025 IT guy??? Prolly lol.

[Chad3000]

17 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

smooth and fast

Had zero problems. Not one bsod.

 

If you're running it on junk well .. anything is possible.

[Chad3000]

30 minutes ago, Swiss1960 said:

Be careful not to confuse this person with too much expertise... ???? and indeed, the I series is only using odd numbers as to not confuse people with number of cores.

Yes, it's i7. Stand corrected

[Chad3000]

1 hour ago, chrisinth said:

Do you mean 8th generation Intel? Haven't heard of an i8 processor (not saying it doesn't exist, just haven't heard of it)

i7 stand corrected. Purchased four years ago

[Swiss1960]

13 minutes ago, Chad3000 said:

LoL

 

IAM A PROFESSIONAL ????????

 

Operating systems as you well know are very complicated. This list will not get any shorter as the OS ages into existence. Windows 10 has a litany of issues - still.

 

I didn't bother reading your drivel but being the kind guy I am won't report you for telling me to SHUT THE F UP!!!

 

That list won't be any shorter two years from now - it's always something.

 

As for the progressive rollout yes that's common knowledge. You gonna wait till 2025 IT guy??? Prolly lol.

You started this by calling my statement "rubbish" and it took me less than 2 minutes to prove how little you know. I use 10 and 11 in parallel and compare the versions and updates and I can say with 100% certainty that the 10 version has MUCH LESS issues than the 11 version, but that is to be expected for a mature system. Most standard users of the 10 version won't even notice that there are bugs, as they are in very specialized areas, while the 11 issues will at present be encountered by the majority of users, normal users or professionals.

As for changing to 11, there is no rush, and if you do not need any of the new features in 11, I recommend to everybody to wait for at least 1 year since the initial release, and upgrade then, if your device is compatible, otherwise wait until your old device is getting to slow and needs replacement anyway, and then you get switched to the new version automatically, and yes, that might be 2025 for my old W10 device, since it is less than 2 years old.

[Bangkok Barry]

4 hours ago, Swiss1960 said:

Buy a computer with Windows 10! Make sure, it can later be upgraded to Windows 11 (needs TPM 2.0), if the computer does not say "Windows 11 ready", there is an easy to install App - or an option in the Windows Update settings - to check this, let your seller do this.

 

Windows 11 is still in its early stages, lot of bugs and still missing some features, and I would not recommend it to a normal user yet. Q1 next year will be ok. Upgrade from Windows 10 to 11 is free and easy.

Buy a computer with Windows 10! Make sure, it can later be upgraded to Windows 11 (needs TPM 2.0)

All new computers will have TPM 2. My laptop bought last year is a basic one and cost only 10,000. From what I've seen on-line TPM 2 has been pretty much routine for a few years now. Only very old computers might have a problem. There is a workaround in that case, but you would not receive security updates. Anyway, buy a new computer and anyone will be fine.

Windows 11 is still in its early stages, lot of bugs and still missing some features, and I would not recommend it to a normal user yet.

I've been using 11 for a few months now as a member of the Windows Insider Program (free to join and I didn't have to give any feedback, it just let me download and try 11). I've had no problems with it and prefer some of the menu options, but it's really not much different to 10. Worth 'upgrading'? Possibly not. 10 will be supported by Microsoft until at least 2025.

Upgrade from Windows 10 to 11 is free and easy.

True.

As to the Op's original question, there is no need to purchase 11. If it doesn't come with the computer it is easy to upgrade if you want to. And if you do upgrade, you have a limited period of 10 days to revert back to 10 if you don't like 11.

Go to Settings > System > Recovery.

Scroll to Recovery Options > Previous Version of Windows, and select “Go back”.

[cjinchiangrai]

2 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

To the OP,

 

if you have Win7, you are eligible to a free Win10 upgrade, just download the "Upgrade to Windows 10" thing on MS website

 

make sure to clear up at least 10GB or more on your C Drive

 

once done, and after a few hours, you will have the options to upgrade to Win11 free

 

personally Win10 is much better than Win7, so you will be better off at the end

Maybe. It depends on the platform. I recently upgraded several Win7 machines to Win 10 and it was hard to get the drivers settled and make it through the update cycles.

 

Surprisingly, I also ran into a bunch of issues matching RAM chips. It is not as simple as it looks. If the computers are Win 10 capable though, it isn't bad.

[cjinchiangrai]

1 hour ago, Swiss1960 said:

You started this by calling my statement "rubbish" and it took me less than 2 minutes to prove how little you know. I use 10 and 11 in parallel and compare the versions and updates and I can say with 100% certainty that the 10 version has MUCH LESS issues than the 11 version, but that is to be expected for a mature system. Most standard users of the 10 version won't even notice that there are bugs, as they are in very specialized areas, while the 11 issues will at present be encountered by the majority of users, normal users or professionals.

As for changing to 11, there is no rush, and if you do not need any of the new features in 11, I recommend to everybody to wait for at least 1 year since the initial release, and upgrade then, if your device is compatible, otherwise wait until your old device is getting to slow and needs replacement anyway, and then you get switched to the new version automatically, and yes, that might be 2025 for my old W10 device, since it is less than 2 years old.

Agree 100%. Anyone that needs to tout their credentials is just a blowhard. Win 11 is buggy, the TPM requirement is BS and I will wait a few more years before changing platforms.

[GrandPapillon]

6 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Maybe. It depends on the platform. I recently upgraded several Win7 machines to Win 10 and it was hard to get the drivers settled and make it through the update cycles.

 

Surprisingly, I also ran into a bunch of issues matching RAM chips. It is not as simple as it looks. If the computers are Win 10 capable though, it isn't bad.

was it a generic PC or brand name like DELL? usually those drivers for brand name PCs will have updates for Win10, but since there is no big changes from Win7, I suspect the Win7 drivers should work fine under Win10.

 

I have upgraded several old PCs from Win7 to Win10, and they all work smoothly, actually much better than under Win7

[topt]

2 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

personally Win10 is much better than Win7, so you will be better off at the end

Personally to me the opposite in usage. 

 

I have 2 older machines running Win 7 where screens are going and recently purchased a new machine with 10. Allowing for the learning curve there are still things that I cannot sort out to my satisfaction even after adding Open Shell.

One of the reasons why I started to dual boot Linux on the other machines and may go 100% with this one when I am back in Thailand.

[GrandPapillon]

1 minute ago, topt said:

Personally to me the opposite in usage. 

 

I have 2 older machines running Win 7 where screens are going and recently purchased a new machine with 10. Allowing for the learning curve there are still things that I cannot sort out to my satisfaction even after adding Open Shell.

One of the reasons why I started to dual boot Linux on the other machines and may go 100% with this one when I am back in Thailand.

OpenShell is great, but I am starting to like more and more the new START Screen, once re-arranged and optimized by removing things you don't need, it's actually quite comfortable to use.

 

You have to turn off a lot of silly UI Features in Win10, once it's done, it's 1000 times better than clumsy Win7

[dsj]

If you still have your windows 7 installation disk or key # then you can install win 10 for free.
https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/still-running-windows-7-time-is-running-out-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-what-to-know/
Here's a couple of interesting links to check out.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/going-pro-how-to-upgrade-windows-10-home-without-hassles/#link={"role":"standard","href":"https://www.zdnet.com/article/going-pro-how-to-upgrade-windows-10-home-without-hassles/","target":"","absolute":"","linkText":"How to upgrade from Windows 10 Home to Pro without hassles"}