DIY Pool

[Bagwain]

Ok guys.

Here is a Q?????????

What is wrong with this photo of a DIY pool.

Especially SAANIM being the backyard spert?

 

This is going to be interesting!! 

 

[unheard]

To my totally dilettante view...

1. Red brick is a porous to water, permeable material thus is unsuitable for pools.

2. It is also a low density, un-elastic material, not suitable as a structural, load-bearing material for pools.

Edited December 16, 2021 by unheard

[Saanim]

I cannot disappoint @Bagwain when he asks so nicely for an advice of backyard 

However, I am sorry to disappoint @unheard: 

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1. Red brick is a porous to water, permeable material thus is unsuitable for pools.

Although the bricks are porous, they are rendered by mortar that with addition of waterproof liquid (nam jaa) are not permeable. And once covered by tiles - even if they are "kitchen tiles" as we have read here from a professional, the whole structure keeps the water as any other impermeable one. And no matter whether it is water for a swimming pool or for fish pond or for any water storage as my pictures show..     

 

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2. It is also a low density, un-elastic material, not suitable as a structural, load-bearing material for pools.

Yes, the bricks are not an elastic material, do we build elastic houses? However, the bricks (and my double cinder blocks as well) are load-bearing material.  Aren't they used for building structures around the world for centuries?

 

But not often in Thailand,.  For centuries they have built first the columns (by teak - sau mai sak). And as nowadays the teak is not so easily available they erect columns by a concrete to have a roof as soon as possible.  The walls will be made later, they are not so important, are they? 

 

 Anyway, my pool - fish pond and water storage tank as well - have survived 2 earthquakes when the water had gone over the edge with a 10 cm wave.

 

    

[Saanim]

Anyway, my pool - fish pond and water storage tank as well - have survived 2 earthquakes when the water had gone over the edge with a 10 cm wave.

 

Behind the red bricks is one layer of cinder blocks 7 cm thick, rendered by normal mortar (no kitchen tiles), for the fish and water storage.    

[Bagwain]

19 hours ago, unheard said:

To my totally dilettante view...

1. Red brick is a porous to water, permeable material thus is unsuitable for pools.

2. It is also a low density, un-elastic material, not suitable as a structural, load-bearing material for pools.

Totally correct.

Also no rubber water stop, no steel, incorrect plumbing & no waterproof render!.

It's a shamble!

 

[Oxx]

On 12/16/2021 at 7:35 PM, Saanim said:

Anyway, my pool

Why can't you fill it up properly so the cute doggies can get a drink? They clearly want to.

[rwill]

Did they add TOA 211 or something similar?

[Scott Tracy]

Umm...there's no water in it....

 

I think it looks great. Once rendered with a waterproof render, and painted or tiled, it'll be fine. Why ask the question negatively?

[hotchilli]

On 12/15/2021 at 7:27 PM, Bagwain said:

This is going to be interesting!!

Built at that angle one would assume all the water will run to the side?

If built with a 90-degree rotation you would have naturally formed a shallow & deep end. ????

[rwill]

3 hours ago, rwill said:

Did they add TOA 211 or something similar?

https://www.toagroup.com/en/products/construction-chemicals/concrete-bonding-and-repairing/102/toa-waterproof-admixture#:~:text=%28TOA%20211%20Concrete%20Plus%29%20TOA%20WATERPROOF%20ADMIXTURE%20is,It%20reduces%20water%20volume%20to%20put%20into%20concrete.

[rwill]

3 hours ago, rwill said:

Did they add TOA 211 or something similar?

It makes the cement waterproof.

TOA WATERPROOF ADMIXTURE (TOA 211 Concrete Plus) | TOA ทีโอเอ ผู้นำสีทาบ้าน ครองตลาดอันดับ 1 ในประเทศไทย (toagroup.com)

[RocketDog]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

Built at that angle one would assume all the water will run to the side?

If built with a 90-degree rotation you would have naturally formed a shallow & deep end. ????

Building on the side of a mountain is sheer genius and you're just jealous.

Getting the trees to grow sideways is brilliant too.

[natway09]

I do not see any footings under the walls, just compressed earth, not enough.

The concrete filled cavity looks good

[Will B Good]

On 12/16/2021 at 12:23 PM, Saanim said:

I cannot disappoint @Bagwain when he asks so nicely for an advice of backyard 

However, I am sorry to disappoint @unheard: 

Although the bricks are porous, they are rendered by mortar that with addition of waterproof liquid (nam jaa) are not permeable. And once covered by tiles - even if they are "kitchen tiles" as we have read here from a professional, the whole structure keeps the water as any other impermeable one. And no matter whether it is water for a swimming pool or for fish pond or for any water storage as my pictures show..     

 

Yes, the bricks are not an elastic material, do we build elastic houses? However, the bricks (and my double cinder blocks as well) are load-bearing material.  Aren't they used for building structures around the world for centuries?

 

But not often in Thailand,.  For centuries they have built first the columns (by teak - sau mai sak). And as nowadays the teak is not so easily available they erect columns by a concrete to have a roof as soon as possible.  The walls will be made later, they are not so important, are they? 

 

 Anyway, my pool - fish pond and water storage tank as well - have survived 2 earthquakes when the water had gone over the edge with a 10 cm wave.

 

    

Looking build something similar.....can I be cheeky and ask how much?

[MrJ2U]

On 12/16/2021 at 7:23 PM, Saanim said:

kitchen tiles" as

Don't use kitchen tiles.

 

Thats definitely a stupid idea.

 

 

[MrJ2U]

There's no steps to get into the pool.

[Saanim]

18 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Don't use kitchen tiles.

 

Thats definitely a stupid idea.

 

 

Any reasons?

[MrJ2U]

17 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Any reasons?

Kitchen tile is for kitchens

 

Only a total idiot would use kitchen tiles to tile a pool.

 

Pool tiles are .05% water permeable.

 

 

 Pool tile has been specially manufactured to stand up to sunlight, changing temperatures, an aquatic environment, and constant contact with the chemicals in swimming pool water. Regular household tile -- such as bathroom and kitchen tile -- isn't designed for outdoor use and harsh chemicals.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 18, 2021 by MrJ2U

[MrJ2U]

On 12/16/2021 at 7:35 PM, Saanim said:

Anyway, my pool - fish pond and water storage tank as well - have survived 2 earthquakes when the water had gone over the edge with a 10 cm wave.

 

Behind the red bricks is one layer of cinder blocks 7 cm thick, rendered by normal mortar (no kitchen tiles), for the fish and water storage.    

 

Definitely needs a little work.

Is that the front of your house in the bottom picture?  

 

Maybe put some kitchen tiles on the walls. 

 

 

 

 

[mrwebb8825]

I would think those tall, sharp pipes would pop your floaties. ????

[AustinRacing]

Looks like a swimming pool set up with a jacuzzi. If so, the blue pipes should be in the jacuzzi. 

[itsari]

7 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

Kitchen tile is for kitchens

 

Only a total idiot would use kitchen tiles to tile a pool.

 

Pool tiles are .05% water permeable.

 

 

 Pool tile has been specially manufactured to stand up to sunlight, changing temperatures, an aquatic environment, and constant contact with the chemicals in swimming pool water. Regular household tile -- such as bathroom and kitchen tile -- isn't designed for outdoor use and harsh chemicals.

 

 

 

 

 

Would using porcelain kitchen tiles make you a complete idiot?

[MrJ2U]

51 minutes ago, itsari said:

Would using porcelain kitchen tiles make you a complete idiot?

No, just half.

 

Their not thick enough and are prone to cracking.

 

Why you go all in and use carpeting.

[Bagwain]

1/ Kitchen tiles are thinner and don't have enough depth for a decent amount of grout.

2/ Pool tiles are thicker & have a deeper glaze which goes over the side allowing for deep grout and some protection to stop water getting behind the glaze. (Which happens with kitchen tiles)

3/ Pool tiles stand up to aggresive pool water & weather better

4/ Once kitchen tiles break they are very sharp & dangerous.

 

I have renovated dozens of pools & most had kitchen tiles that where broken & dangerous. In fact quite a few where being renovated because people & children had cuts due to the razor like edges!

 

20 + yrs ago people used kitchen tiles as pool tiles weren't freely available here in Thailand.

If you used them these days you are a either cheap Charlie or just plain ignorant!

Edited December 19, 2021 by Bagwain

[IvorBiggun2]

When building a pool etc and you are not using a waterproof membrane then you have to pour all the concrete in one pour. If not you need to put in a 'cold joint'. I learned the hard way when having my house basement constructed. Don't say you wasn't warned.

 

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Cold joints are formed primarily between two batches of concrete where the delivery and placement of the second batch has been delayed and the initial placed and compacted concrete has started to set. The full knitting together of the two batches of concrete under vibration to form a homogeneous mass is therefore not possible, unlike the compaction of two fresh workable batches of concrete. This could be a potential plane of weakness.

 

[Tropposurfer]

OK I'll bite lol ????

Single brick wall is completely inadequate for load. Doesn't matter if wire is laid through the courses in an attempt to create the illusion of structural steel) or the walls are rendered 4 inches thick! You can render those bricks till the cows come home and it won't be structurally adequate. Its not wired into the floor of the pool adequately (if at all!) which is totally wrong. Total dogs dinner.

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Tropposurfer

[Saanim]

I have to disappoint the ones who are so concerned about my "kitchen tiles". When I wrote the "kitchen tiles", hasn't it kicked anybody why the "quotation marks"?

That's in a joke referring how one professional here has called it with his derogative meaning commenting one of my previous post. 

 

I would not know that the tiles are "kitchen tiles". I have just used what is available in such a good offer here in Thailand whether it is for kitchen or for anything else coming in contact with water. And I invite anybody who wants to find a deterioration after my 15 years of daily usage.  And I do not doubt that it will not be different after another 15 years. 

 

 

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1/ Kitchen tiles are thinner and don't have enough depth for a decent amount of grout.

2/ Pool tiles are thicker & have a deeper glaze which goes over the side allowing for deep grout and some protection to stop water getting behind the glaze. (Which happens with kitchen tiles)

3/ Pool tiles stand up to aggresive pool water & weather better

4/ Once kitchen tiles break they are very sharp & dangerous.

 

 

I leave the above comments to anybody's common sense.  e.g. :

-How the "kitchen tiles" can be applied to any wall - whether in kitchen or in bathroom - when they are so "thin"?

 

-"Aggressive" pool water? I do not swim in a water that is aggressive, maintaining the water with a minimum of chemicals, quite different what the "professionals" are recommending.  But I do not sell any pool, nor the chemicals. But even in a more aggressive water (where the pH is kept near 7 and with a high chlorine content - as professionals recommend - thinking why?) the tiles would not get any problem.

 

-Have any of "kitchen tiles" in your house got broken? And surely in a kitchen and in a bathroom it's much more chance of a heavy impact (casseroles are flying) than in a pool. Unless I drive in with a tank or backhoe...

 

BTW, you can see everywhere a number of pools that were re-tiled after 7 - 10 years, even made by professionals. Mostly, they had used special mosaic tiles for pools - no "kitchen tiles".   

 

[Saanim]

14 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

Definitely needs a little work.

Is that the front of your house in the bottom picture?  

 

Maybe put some kitchen tiles on the walls. 

 

 

 

 

I am sorry that the view on picture had disturbed you. That was before the wall was repainted.

 

No, I really do not like any "tiles" stuck on the house, even if it's not the front. 

 

  

[Saanim]

2 hours ago, Tropposurfer said:

OK I'll bite lol ????

Single brick wall is completely inadequate for load. Doesn't matter if wire is laid through the courses in an attempt to create the illusion of structural steel) or the walls are rendered 4 inches thick! You can render those bricks till the cows come home and it won't be structurally adequate. Its not wired into the floor of the pool adequately (if at all!) which is totally wrong. Total dogs dinner.

 

Sorry, what you wrote is a utter nonsense. Besides what you see on my pictures where the walls have held over 15 years - and will surely held further on - you can see many such examples around, in case if you look around...

[thierryviteau]

What is really wrong is building such a ridiculous small pools just big enough to wet your feet...