Pattaya still mostly deserted - fears of rise in Covid cases when Sandbox rules relaxed

[jacko45k]

8 minutes ago, Swampy999 said:

Why do people bother to go to immigration? Use a reliable visa agent and if necessary the Thai postal service.

Cost.......

[Mingomania]

3 hours ago, bbko said:

The headline says "Pattaya still mostly deserted...", Someone needs to tell Pattaya Immigration cause this was the line this morning @ 0745, out the parking lot and halfway down the soi.

 

 

 

I was there Friday waiting hours in line just to get a number and told to return today Monday, So back again for two hours and finally getting processed inside, but they'll keep my passport until tomorrow when I have to go back a third time. I pray that this sorry circus of an Immigration Office is not a reflection of how the country is organized and governed. 

Meanwhile, I hope I don't get stopped somewhere without my passport and proof of stay, stamps and signatures, getting arrested by some ignorant cop who doesn't speak English..

[Benmart]

4 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

This report seems bogus from my observation.  The bar they show is way north on Soi 18 in Naklua I believe.  Yes, not many people partying in Naklua.

Even during normal times you can find a deserted bar.

Plenty of places are open in and around central and full of people partying it up big time so maybe show photos of those places for proper perspective.

A cross section may be seeing more patrons, but what is the overall picture? I agree. Perhaps they could show Pattaya Tree Town, Soi Buakeow watering holes and the ghosts of others not so fortunate.

[andersonat]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

Absolute nonsense.

 

'If someone dies in circumstances involving an accident, violence or suspicious circumstances, the case is referred to a coroner for investigation. A post-mortem examination is carried out and usually an inquest is held. The Coroner's Court hears all the evidence and follows legal rules of evidence when deciding the causes of death. It is extremely unlikely that a coroner would find that someone was involved in a traffic accident, or was the victim of violence, because of having COVID-19 or a positive COVID-19 test -- so they would not mention COVID-19 on the death certificate. This applies to any death caused by an accident, violence, poisoning, or other external causes'

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/whetherthosewhohavediedfromacaraccidentwithcovid19willbecountedinonsstatistics

 

This is from the UK but I can't imagine it's much different in the US.

 

A similar approach is indeed taken in the USA   ---   See  https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated

 

"For those who die — from a heart attack, for instance — the role of COVID-19 might never be determined unless there’s a reason to run a post-mortem test for the disease, Raja explains. As for those killed by traumas such as accidents and assaults, a test wouldn’t matter.

“Whether or not you have COVID isn’t going to change your cause of death when you get hit by a car,” he says."

 

 

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

They reported that operators feared that the Covid-19 numbers would increase again when Pattaya is designated as a "sandbox" from February 1st.

Pattay operators have been screaming to re-open for the last 9 months, yet those that have opened legally or otherwise have proven protocols go out the window... so yes the numbers will definitely increase.?

[thecyclist]

5 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

This report seems bogus from my observation.  The bar they show is way north on Soi 18 in Naklua I believe.  Yes, not many people partying in Naklua.

Even during normal times you can find a deserted bar.

Plenty of places are open in and around central and full of people partying it up big time so maybe show photos of those places for proper perspective.

They can't show pictures of sex workers as they do not officially exist IN LOS. Empty bars in Naklua prove that there is no prostitution on the Eastern Seaboard. 

 

[wombat]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

how accurate are the numbers, really? 

that would depend on the agenda of whoever is posting them would be my guess.

[thaibook]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

No they won't because they'll know the stats showing massive numbers of global deaths.

Not sure about the world but in the UK some 700,000 people die every year.  About 178,000 have died of covid according to official statistics.  However, when asked specific questions this turns out to be people who have died with covid not from covid.  Over teh tow years only 17,371 have died purely from covid.    Not only that but the average age of people dying from/with covid is over 82 while the life expectancy in th eUK is around 81.5.  Someone without a good grasp of statistics might say that covid allows people to live longer than the average!

 

Also in British hospitals over 40% of patients with covid are being treated for conditions totally unrelated to covid and in London it is close to 60%.

 

All in all the way the numbers have been communicated are purposefully to scare people into believing this virus will undermine civilisation and the uncivilised countries around the world and lead to as many or more deaths than Spanish flu.

 

 

[GrandPapillon]

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Fear, fear and more fear. That is the Prayuth/Anutin creed. Keep em scared, and maintain power. A power play as old as the hills. Once Covid is gone, so are the creeps, hopefully. 

he is not alone, European leaders are doing the same thing, but at least they will be voted out in the next election

[Purdey]

No doubt, we can only know the total number of people infected if they were tested properly. As long as there are people there will be infections. The hope is that deaths will decline as weaker variations come into play.

[Rimmer]

Off topic post removed, topic is about:

 

Pattaya still mostly deserted - fears of rise in Covid cases when Sandbox rules relaxed

[JustAnotherHun]

Quote

Pattaya still mostly deserted

Not Pattaya is mostly deserted, the beer bars are.

See the difference?

[arithai12]

3 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

A bit of a mistaken view.

The common cold has not killed more than 5 million people in less than two years.
Not really similar at all.

 

More than 5 million people worldwide have died from Covid-19 less than two years after the novel pathogen was first documented,

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-01/covid-deaths-top-5-million-even-as-vaccines-slash-fatality-rate

 

And to be honest, we have to say that nobody really knows how many people died since the counting procedures change from country to country, change with the wind within a same country, do not distinguish between "from", "with", or even "without" Covid, and finally do not give us the demographics and prior conditions. This, without wanting to diminish the tragedy and drama of dying attached to a respirator without the touch of a loved one.

But I will stop here as we are going off topic.

[david555]

6 minutes ago, TB20 said:

How can this happen?

It clearly indicates that all measures are useless. Facemasks are useless against viruses - especially how they are used in the public!

Testing with PCR is useless because it cannot indicate infections (masic microbiology knowledge!).

Studies show that there is no asymptomatic infection possible - study from China.

Let the people train their immunity and give back freedom.

All u say proves only what happened when using those measures ......

 

Only if those measures would not being taken could show us it was useful or not , so a useless comparison of yours as this second factor is unknown ...! 

[fdbob]

5 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

This report seems bogus from my observation.  The bar they show is way north on Soi 18 in Naklua I believe.  Yes, not many people partying in Naklua.

Even during normal times you can find a deserted bar.

Plenty of places are open in and around central and full of people partying it up big time so maybe show photos of those places for proper perspective.

 

[arithai12]

2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Absolute nonsense.

 

'If someone dies in circumstances involving an accident, violence or suspicious circumstances, the case is referred to a coroner for investigation. A post-mortem examination is carried out and usually an inquest is held. The Coroner's Court hears all the evidence and follows legal rules of evidence when deciding the causes of death. It is extremely unlikely that a coroner would find that someone was involved in a traffic accident, or was the victim of violence, because of having COVID-19 or a positive COVID-19 test -- so they would not mention COVID-19 on the death certificate. This applies to any death caused by an accident, violence, poisoning, or other external causes'

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/whetherthosewhohavediedfromacaraccidentwithcovid19willbecountedinonsstatistics

 

This is from the UK but I can't imagine it's much different in the US.

Oh yes it is, yes it is. NY state used to count as covid-19 death a person who died from injuries of a car crash, if he could not be attended to as doctors were involved with the (more lucrative for the hospital, sorry to say) Covid patients, even if said deceased was not tested for Covid.

Belgium: all retirement home deaths were automatically classified as Covid, without testing.

And so on.

[fdbob]

They would rather scare you than tell the truth

[kiwikeith]

5 hours ago, tomster said:

In years to come people will look back at these images of people wearing hazmat suits testing for a disease similar to the common cold and think what on Earth were they doing...

They were being screwed over by the fear mongers and gangsters profiting from face masks and false positive RT PCR tests 

[bert bloggs]

4 hours ago, bbko said:

The headline says "Pattaya still mostly deserted...", Someone needs to tell Pattaya Immigration cause this was the line this morning @ 0745, out the parking lot and halfway down the soi.

 

 

 

Why go to immigration on a monday,always busy

[Millcx]

The Fear is the elite losing control of this Flu… Wake up Thailand … Government is doing nothing except drawing wages and controlling lives for no reason

[Millcx]

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Fear, fear and more fear. That is the Prayuth/Anutin creed. Keep em scared, and maintain power. A power play as old as the hills. Once Covid is gone, so are the creeps, hopefully. 

100%

[MrJ2U]

2 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

 

A "nice tablet" that doesn't actually exist....

It's a little safer to buy on Shoppee.

 

The people don't get there money until your satisfied with the product or 7 days after delivery.

 

Makes returns easier.

 

 

[MrJ2U]

You don't want to buy something with an old operating system.

 

A lot of your apps won't work properly with older systems.

 

Samsung Tablets, while a little more offer Android upgrades for 3 years.  So buy Android 11 now you're going to get free upgrades to Android 14.

 

 

[Millcx]

Gov announce that after talks with Con-icrom today the Tourist police and officials have banned the deadly virus from all immigration offices

A spokesman said “How was an official suppose to live withou the falang handouts”

Anutin has hailed this as his best achievement since banning the virus to give out spread until after 11pm when his favorite Resturant closes “;0)

[hansnl]

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Fear, fear and more fear. That is the Prayuth/Anutin creed. Keep em scared, and maintain power. A power play as old as the hills. Once Covid is gone, so are the creeps, hopefully. 

And the other creeps come in?

[hansnl]

16 minutes ago, Millcx said:

The Fear is the elite losing control of this Flu… Wake up Thailand … Government is doing nothing except drawing wages and controlling lives for no reason

Like the government "at home"?

[thierryviteau]

The rise of a virus that is disappearing everywhere in the world...

[WEBBYB808]

Then they Didnt  go to iBar, Soi 6, Soi Buakow,  or Tree Town, or beach road, as these places are a rammed Sausage  Fest every Night until 9p.m. and as of tonight  11 p.m.  its crowded.

[TB20]

48 minutes ago, david555 said:

All u say proves only what happened when using those measures ......

 

Only if those measures would not being taken could show us it was useful or not , so a useless comparison of yours as this second factor is unknown ...! 

You did not read my post or you did not understand. Or read peer reviewed studies which have not been published by the media. You easily find them when using a search engine.

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Absolute nonsense.

 

'If someone dies in circumstances involving an accident, violence or suspicious circumstances, the case is referred to a coroner for investigation. A post-mortem examination is carried out and usually an inquest is held. The Coroner's Court hears all the evidence and follows legal rules of evidence when deciding the causes of death. It is extremely unlikely that a coroner would find that someone was involved in a traffic accident, or was the victim of violence, because of having COVID-19 or a positive COVID-19 test -- so they would not mention COVID-19 on the death certificate. This applies to any death caused by an accident, violence, poisoning, or other external causes'

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/whetherthosewhohavediedfromacaraccidentwithcovid19willbecountedinonsstatistics

 

This is from the UK but I can't imagine it's much different in the US.

Totally different in the US. Quite the opposite. Few know why