Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Kwasaki]

27 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I didn't read that bit. I don't think anybody suggested attacking Russia, just not surrendering is the message.

 

At least you're on message from the Russian pov.

 

Russia’s defense minister has accused the U.S. and other Western nations of supplying Ukraine with weapons so that it continues fighting “until the last Ukrainian.”

Sergei Shoigu said Tuesday at a meeting with the top military brass that Washington and its allies are doing all they can to drag out Russia’s “special military operation” in Ukraine.

 

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-business-europe-donetsk-56a3dd893da43c67f99260eb2ee9ae66

The US will gob off and gob off in support etc etc but will still watch as Ukraine is decemated by Russia.

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3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Putins only request is that Ukraine doesn't get aligned with NATO . 

Some war mongers are claiming that Putin wants to take over the world and are using their false claims as a reason to join in the war.

So he no longer demands that Ukraine recognizes Donetsk and Luhansk as independent republics?

He no longer demands that Ukraine be demilitarized?

He no longer demands that Ukraine be denazified? 

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2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Interesting that you regard not wanting to have a war as being a "wimp"

Just out of curiosity , if a war with Russia does break out , will you be signing up for the army and personally going to fight the Russians or will you be sitting back and watching others going off to the front line to fight ?  

   Will you be in the trenches or will you be cheering them on from afar ?

I guess you're following the rule of "When you've got nothing, make it personal."

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I confirm you made it up. It started with you calling for a vote on who wanted to start a war. Stop lying

Here it is , from a post a few pages back : 

Now are you going to retract the allegation that I was lying ?

 

 

"my opinion is that the best chances of avoiding or at least postponing WW3 for a long time is to stop Putin right now. Giving him Donbass would be a win for Putin.

Not only would this encourage Putin and his successors to pursue that kind of tactics (hello Transnistria, the rest of Georgia, Kasakstan, etc. ) "

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1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Here it is , from a post a few pages back : 

Now are you going to retract the allegation that I was lying ?

 

 

"my opinion is that the best chances of avoiding or at least postponing WW3 for a long time is to stop Putin right now. Giving him Donbass would be a win for Putin.

Not only would this encourage Putin and his successors to pursue that kind of tactics (hello Transnistria, the rest of Georgia, Kasakstan, etc. ) "

Here's what you claimed

Maybe you didn't follow the discussion ?

It was stated that  Putin intents to keep on invading other Countries after Ukraine , which would trigger a World war and the only way to stop a world War would be to attack Russia now ........................which would cause a world war 

 

Stopping Putin doesn't necessarily mean attacking Russia. It does mean standing up to Russian invaders in Ukraine.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Here it is , from a post a few pages back : 

Now are you going to retract the allegation that I was lying ?

 

 

"my opinion is that the best chances of avoiding or at least postponing WW3 for a long time is to stop Putin right now. Giving him Donbass would be a win for Putin.

Not only would this encourage Putin and his successors to pursue that kind of tactics (hello Transnistria, the rest of Georgia, Kasakstan, etc. ) "

Can you point to the bit that says ‘attack Russia’?

 

47 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Maybe you didn't follow the discussion ?

It was stated that  Putin intents to keep on invading other Countries after Ukraine , which would trigger a World war and the only way to stop a world War would be to attack Russia now ........................which would cause a world war 

 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Here it is , from a post a few pages back : 

Now are you going to retract the allegation that I was lying ?

 

 

"my opinion is that the best chances of avoiding or at least postponing WW3 for a long time is to stop Putin right now. Giving him Donbass would be a win for Putin.

Not only would this encourage Putin and his successors to pursue that kind of tactics (hello Transnistria, the rest of Georgia, Kasakstan, etc. ) "

You are a blatent liar. This is your first post of the day and what started your nonsense off.

 

There should be a poll or a survey , *Are your political leanings Left wing or Right wing , and would you like another World war*

  Seems like people from a certain political persuasion really want another World war 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Here's what you claimed

Maybe you didn't follow the discussion ?

It was stated that  Putin intents to keep on invading other Countries after Ukraine , which would trigger a World war and the only way to stop a world War would be to attack Russia now ........................which would cause a world war 

 

Stopping Putin doesn't necessarily mean attacking Russia. It does mean standing up to Russian invaders in Ukraine.

There have been other suggestions that Putin intents to build a Russian Empire  from Vlavivastok to Portugal and that Ukraine is just the beginning , there have been suggestions that Putin is going to do a Hitler and keep expanding and invading Countries and thats why he must be stopped  .

    

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There have been other suggestions that Putin intents to build a Russian Empire  from Vlavivastok to Portugal and that Ukraine is just the beginning , there have been suggestions that Putin is going to do a Hitler and keep expanding and invading Countries and thats why he must be stopped  .

    

Portugal?

That's ridiculous.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There have been other suggestions that Putin intents to build a Russian Empire  from Vlavivastok to Portugal and that Ukraine is just the beginning , there have been suggestions that Putin is going to do a Hitler and keep expanding and invading Countries and thats why he must be stopped  .

    

His unprovoked invasion of Ukrainian my be there cause of such comments.

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9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There have been other suggestions that Putin intents to build a Russian Empire  from Vlavivastok to Portugal and that Ukraine is just the beginning , there have been suggestions that Putin is going to do a Hitler and keep expanding and invading Countries and thats why he must be stopped  .

    

From Vladivostok to Portugal? Really?

And Ukraine is hardly just the beginning. Just ask the governments of Moldova and Georgia. And Finland, which shares a long border with Russia and  has been non-aligned since the end of the WW2, looks like it's going to join Nato. And Sweden, is contemplating joining too. So why do you believe that allegations about Russia's intentions are so suspect? Recently, Putin himself wrote approvingly of how Russia reacquired part of Poland in 1939. Somehow he managed not to mention how it was reacquired.

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[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

His unprovoked invasion of Ukrainian my be there cause of such comments.

Putin has been stating for years that he wouldn't allow Ukraine to join NATO and Ukraine was getting closer to NATO and becoming affiliated with E.U/NATO .

   Putin has also regularly asked for ethnic Russians in Ukraine to have more protection .

So the Russian invasion of Ukraine wasn't completely unexpected and Putin can say he was provoked into responding by Ukraine's growing alliance with the E.U/NATO

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Putin has been stating for years that he wouldn't allow Ukraine to join NATO and Ukraine was getting closer to NATO and becoming affiliated with E.U/NATO .

   Putin has also regularly asked for ethnic Russians in Ukraine to have more protection .

So the Russian invasion of Ukraine wasn't completely unexpected and Putin can say he was provoked into responding by Ukraine's growing alliance with the E.U/NATO

Try to grasp this.

 

Ukraine is a sovereign nation and has the right to join NATO.

Putin is not Ukrainian, he’s not the head of the Ukrainian state, he has not legal right to impose any restrictions on Ukraine.

 

Hence his illegal war of aggression.

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Putin has been stating for years that he wouldn't allow Ukraine to join NATO and Ukraine was getting closer to NATO and becoming affiliated with E.U/NATO .

   Putin has also regularly asked for ethnic Russians in Ukraine to have more protection .

So the Russian invasion of Ukraine wasn't completely unexpected and Putin can say he was provoked into responding by Ukraine's growing alliance with the E.U/NATO

Such a sad apologist grasping at straws and ignoring the awful crimes being carried out by Putin on his quest to conquer Ukraine. Shameful 

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You have made four post in the last hour making false allegations about me , attacking me and making false accusations of what I (didn't) post . 

   How about sticking to the topic and stop trying to have a personal argument and squabble and stopping the name calling ?

I'll carry on calling you out on your fake news, claims with no links to back them up and lies and here's your first post of the day that you said you didn't post, another lie.

 

and this one below is a classic example of the fake news you post

 

Edited April 19, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'll carry on calling you out on your fake news, claims with no links to back them up and lies and here's your first post of the day that you said you didn't post, another lie.

 

 

Stop these false allegations , you are the one lying . 

I have never stated I didnt post that , you are lying . 

 

[farmerjo]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Did you think you would get brownie points from Vlad for that inconsiderate flipant post?

 

Ukraine is fighting for its very existence, there is nothing under control. Although they have already foiled Putins plans to have it over in a few days.

It was a boxers play,lead with the left and hit with the right.

The left was the forty mile convoy.

The ace for Ukraine is longer range artillery.

But that will only tie you up in more knots with your daily doom and gloom approach.

 

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34 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Putin has been stating for years that he wouldn't allow Ukraine to join NATO and Ukraine was getting closer to NATO and becoming affiliated with E.U/NATO .

   Putin has also regularly asked for ethnic Russians in Ukraine to have more protection .

So the Russian invasion of Ukraine wasn't completely unexpected and Putin can say he was provoked into responding by Ukraine's growing alliance with the E.U/NATO

Putin can say whatever he likes. But it's what Putin does that counts. It's not only Ukraine that Russia has taken territory from. And that Finland, which has stayed non-aligned since WW2 is now seriously considering joining NATO tells us that Russia is not just a threat to nations with ethnic Russian populations that allegedly need protecting..

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1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

The US will gob off and gob off in support etc etc but will still watch as Ukraine is decemated by Russia.

Nothing quite so empty as offering predictions about the future as some sort of argument or evidence. You've got nothing.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, farmerjo said:

It was a boxers play,lead with the left and hit with the right.

The left was the forty mile convoy.

The ace for Ukraine is longer range artillery.

But that will only tie you up in more knots with your daily doom and gloom approach.

 

I see things through the eyes of those suffering in Ukraine, those getting murdered, those losing their loved ones, those being raped including children and the other war crimes being committed daily, its called human empathy to me, doom and gloom to you.

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4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I take it that you are a Left Winger who wants to have a war ?

Wars are sometimes necessary, but IMO , they should be avoided and only begin a war when there's no other option 

Like that left winger, Boris Johnson?

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

 

Putin can say whatever he likes. But it's what Putin does that counts. It's not only Ukraine that Russia has taken territory from. And that Finland, which has stayed non-aligned since WW2 is now seriously considering joining NATO tells us that Russia is not just a threat to nations with ethnic Russian populations that allegedly need protecting..

Finland considering to joining NATO isnt a indication that Russia wants to invade Finland .

A Country deciding  on whether to join or not join NATO bears no connection with Russian intentions .

That just shows that Finland is concerned about Russia invading Finland  , that doesnt show that Russia has any intention of invading Finland 

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Stop these false allegations , you are the one lying . 

I have never stated I didnt post that , you are lying . 

 

I've already proved the lie you made on that in a previous post, not going to do it again. I will wait for further false claims from you

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Like that left winger, Boris Johnson?

No, he's a Conservative who doesn't want to go to war 

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1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Maybe you didn't follow the discussion ?

It was stated that  Putin intents to keep on invading other Countries after Ukraine , which would trigger a World war and the only way to stop a world War would be to attack Russia now ........................which would cause a world war 

So, what do you mean by a world war that would be caused by attacking Russia? A nuclear war? Because it's clear that Russia doesn't have the capacity to stage a serious conventional world war given that it hasn't even been able to subdue Ukraine after more than 50 days.

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5 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Well that is reassuring to know , My concern is to avoid a World War . 

If you can give a guarantee that Putin would not respond to a NATO attack , then that's a game changer . 

   Are you 100 % sure that there will be no consequences if NATO bombed Russia ?

No.  Your concern is to shill for Putin.  We have all seen it, but are not convinced.  So <deleted> off Ivan.

[coolcarer]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

The US will gob off and gob off in support etc etc but will still watch as Ukraine is decemated by Russia.

Oh the US gobbing off…….there was me thinking it was Putin gobbing off and making all the threats, while the US along with other countries are helping to supply arms and assistance. 

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4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I take it that you are a Left Winger who wants to have a war ?

Wars are sometimes necessary, but IMO , they should be avoided and only begin a war when there's no other option 

and the right wing and their debutantes clutch their pearls about virtue signalling?

 

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12 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Finland considering to joining NATO isnt a indication that Russia wants to invade Finland .

A Country deciding  on whether to join or not join NATO bears no connection with Russian intentions .

That just shows that Finland is concerned about Russia invading Finland  , that doesnt show that Russia has any intention of invading Finland 

This is as nutty as claiming that Putin backing down on his demand that Western buyers pay Russia in roubles really wasn't backing down because his demands changed.

Unless you think that Finland, which has long been the anti-alarmist country when it comes to Russia and before that the Soviet Union, just bases a huge change in its posture towards its neighbor on a whim, your comment is ridiculous. You think Finland doesn't closely scrutinize the workings of the Russian State? You think it hasn't followed the rise of talk at the highest levels of reviving the Russian Empire? That the rise of absolute rule by an aggresssive despot isn't a ratonal cause for alarm?

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

This is as nutty as claiming that Putin backing down on his demand that Western buyers pay Russia in roubles really wasn't backing down because his demands changed.

Unless you think that Finland, which has long been the anti-alarmist country when it comes to Russia and before that the Soviet Union, just bases a huge change in its posture towards its neighbor on a whim, your comment is ridiculous. You think Finland doesn't closely scrutinize the workings of the Russian State? You think it hasn't followed the rise of talk at the highest levels of reviving the Russian Empire? That the rise of absolute rule by an aggresssive despot isn't a ratonal cause for alarm?

Finland wants to join NATO as an insurance if Russia wants to build an empire and invade neighboring Countries , but that doesn't mean Russia has any intentions  of doing so .

   Its like taking out car insurance , you take out car insurance to be insured if you have an accident , you don't get insured because you know that you will be having an accident next week