3 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Yes but all those ,fat,thin,short,tall,handicapped were born women,and were not born as a man.

Nobody has ever disputed that point that LBs are born male, but yet you persist. Weird.

4 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

My point overall is that - to repeat what I've said so many times, a ladyboy is not female, he may look female, have breasts, even have his penis cut off and a fake vagina installed but he remains male - therefore anyone who has sexual relations with a ladyboy is either Gay or Bi.

And there are some who would question that opinion and say that if both the ladyboy and the person who wants to have a relationship with the ladyboy consider that ladyboy to be a woman, it makes it harder to claim outright that they are gay or bi.

11 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

I dont say that any guy who has sex with a ladyboy is gay,but he is bi ,very likely would not have sex with a gay man,but with a ladyboy its different, but as straight man i couldnt as i am sur other straight men couldnt.

But we could discuss this for a thousand pages and we will never all agree.

People who want to be sex with ladyboys are bi, but don't want to have sex with men? Who do they want to have sex with then? I would have thought a bi man would want to have sex with both men and women.

One of the most upfront proud ????️‍???? successful men I know has an cisgender ex-wife and an adult biological daughter. He has always been gay and his family life  does not make him any less so. 

15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Some men like lots of variety in their women. Could be many races, fat, thin, short, tall, handicapped, etc 

Bang on the money there Jingthing. I like a hairy lady, and if she likes footy and fishing that's a bonus.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Nobody has ever disputed that point that LBs are born male, but yet you persist. Weird.

Yes Jing they are born male,they will die male,and if a man has sex with one he is either gay or bi.

However i reckon most gay men who fancy men would not be very interested in a ladyboy.

7 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

Strictly Gay men do not go in for ladyboys they are into men who present as men

Ladyboys are actually women inside. They tend to go for straight men. are there lesbian ladyboy? 

Some straight men are the ones into ladyboys, must be many of them.

https://ladyboyway.com/blog/does-it-mean-your-gay-if-you-like-ladyboys/

Well I saw a documentary depicting two well presented Pattaya showgirls LBs in a  love relationship. I'm not aware of LBs into biological women, but surely it must happen sometimes. Of course the main sex connection for most LBs are straight men.

9 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Yes Jing they are born male,they will die male,and if a man has sex with one he is either gay or bi.

However i reckon most gay men who fancy men would not be very interested in a ladyboy.

First point NO, having sex with a LB does  not make a straight man bi or gay.

 

Second point. Not most. Almost all! Not only that. LBs don't want them either!

 

This is a little ugly but LBs may not be "real" women but they seek "real" men which to them means straight men.

 

I don't agree with that assessment of gay men, but there it is.

 

Don't believe me?

 

Talk to some LBs about it.

 

We can go on and on as i said before,we all believe what we believe

5 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

We can go on and on as i said before,we all believe what we believe

the only thing I've learnt on this thread compared to previous ones is they have admitted it's about the penis

27 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

the only thing I've learnt on this thread compared to previous ones is they have admitted it's about the penis

You mean the super sized (hopefully) clitoris?

38 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You mean the super sized (hopefully) clitoris?

555 no i referring to the sausage that heterosexual men don't get turned on by

8 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

555 no i referring to the sausage that heterosexual men don't get turned on by

Some don't but some do when presented along with the whole LADYboy package. Why the insistence to label people differently than how they feel themselves? You do realize that not all straight men are the same as you, yeah?

 

This is not the same thing as a man incorrectly thinking he is a horse. A man can't be a horse. But a straight man certainly can be into LBs. In fact most men that are are straight.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Some don't but some do when presented along with the whole LADYboy package. Why the insistence to label people differently than how they feel themselves? You do realize that not all straight men are the same as you, yeah?

Maybe contact LGBTQ and get them to explain the differences and why they have them. Years ago men used to say they were straight and were seeing men, they mostly just accept being gay now, no need to hide it or if still seeing women, Bi, no big deal they don't still claim to be straight

25 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Maybe contact LGBTQ and get them to explain the differences and why they have them. Years ago men used to say they were straight and were seeing men, they mostly just accept being gay now, no need to hide it or if still seeing women, Bi, no big deal they don't still claim to be straight

Straight men have the right to identify as straight even when they sleep with LBs. You might say they are wrong but WHO ARE YOU to tell other people such things about themselves?

 

"LGBTQ" as you so charmingly put it is NOT in the business of obnoxiously dictating how individuals should identify themselves. You and others seem to be doing that. I call FOUL.

On 5/7/2022 at 8:18 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

I have been told that licking each others bums is quite enjoyable 

Eeeeewwww. I don't think so!! 

On 5/7/2022 at 7:18 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

I have been told that licking each others bums is quite enjoyable 

Yes it shot into mainstream heterosexual popularity around 2014-5. Apparently its the "vice" of the new generation.

 

Butt bottom line its really not safe though. Sorry to be a party pooper.

 

https://www.salon.com/2015/02/02/ass_is_the_new_pssy_why_anilingus_is_on_the_rise_partner/

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Straight men have the right to identify as straight even when they sleep with LBs. You might say they are wrong but WHO ARE YOU to tell other people such things about themselves?

 

"LGBTQ" as you so charmingly put it is NOT in the business of obnoxiously dictating how individuals should identify themselves. You and others seem to be doing that. I call FOUL.

As the other poster suggested earlier let's just call ourselves ponies and be done with it

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Straight men have the right to identify as straight even when they sleep with LBs. You might say they are wrong but WHO ARE YOU to tell other people such things about themselves?

 

"LGBTQ" as you so charmingly put it is NOT in the business of obnoxiously dictating how individuals should identify themselves. You and others seem to be doing that. I call FOUL.

Maybe include a U for undecided.

5 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Ladyboys are actually women inside

Oh really? They have a womb and ovaries do they?  Next you'll be telling us they can have babies.

 

Born a man, always a man.

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

As the other poster suggested earlier let's just call ourselves ponies and be done with it

Again.

People can't be ponies.

But.

Men who fancy LBs can be straight and usually are.

11 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Oh really? They have a womb and ovaries do they?  Next you'll be telling us they can have babies.

 

Born a man, always a man.

Brain.

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

People can't be ponies.

I thought you believed that people can identify as whatever they wish?

10 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

I thought you believed that people can identify as whatever they wish?

No. 

Enough already with the insipid lying.

I was talking about sexual orientation and you bloody well know it.

Oh dear.

.....and the obsessed charade continues on. 

 

????

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No. 

Enough already with the insipid lying.

I was talking about sexual orientation and you bloody well know it.

Ah so its selective 'identification' - those who wish to identify as whatever sexual orientation they choose in relation to Gay, Bi or straight, can do so. But in other spheres they cannot?  Doesn't that make a mockery of your entire claims regarding identification?

 

Somewhat selfish don't you think? You support one position because you are involved in it but you are intolerant of the rights of other groups rights to self identify.

 

Interesting.

 

 

5 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Ah so its selective 'identification' - those who wish to identify as whatever sexual orientation they choose in relation to Gay, Bi or straight, can do so. But in other spheres they cannot?  Doesn't that make a mockery of your entire claims regarding identification?

 

Somewhat selfish don't you think? You support one position because you are involved in it but you are intolerant of the rights of other groups rights to self identify.

 

Interesting.

 

 

Merely pathetic flailing trying to cover your previous disingenuous post.

 

Human sexual orientation is human sexual orientation.

 

Humans have a variety of those.

 

Humans cannot be another species.

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Humans cannot be another species.

But males can be females and gays can be straight?

 

Totally selective.

7 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

But males can be females?

 

Totally selective.

Males can have female gender identity. FACT

 

https://www.psycom.net/gender-identity

 

 

What Is Gender Identity?

Gender identity is one of the most important self-concepts. Whether you feel male, female, or some combination is more complicated than body parts and hormones. Here’s why the issue is so dynamic and why understanding it is crucial.

 

_____

 

Humans can never be ponies or horses.

FACT

 

No link needed as anyone that believes that they can is beyond help.

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

First point NO, having sex with a LB does  not make a straight man bi or gay.

 

Second point. Not most. Almost all! Not only that. LBs don't want them either!

 

This is a little ugly but LBs may not be "real" women but they seek "real" men which to them means straight men.

 

I don't agree with that assessment of gay men, but there it is.

 

Don't believe me?

 

Talk to some LBs about it.

 

And i reckon the reason they want a " straight man" is that they think they are a woman , so that is the reason ,but then we could argue this until the cows come home ,couldnt we?