19 minutes ago, rumak said:

Please explain why my friend and his wife , vaccinated,  got covid and had to go into hospital.  Their 80 year old mother who lives with them, unvaccinated,  did not get covid.    Surely you are intelligent enough to know that a few anecdotal cases are not a basis for a conclusion.  

My daughter and husband vaccinated were sicker than their 2 year old son !   He barely had the sniffles. 

And......... the mrs and me are unvaccinated and are in shops and markets all the time and healthy as can be.   Five of my friends got  the shot and all got sick.      

I hate to say it..... but you do not understand the real facts.   Heck,   even a moderator here and an ex moderator i know got bad side effects !   

 

You are unvaccinated, yes. How do you know you have not had COVID already, and were asymptomatic? Have you been tested for antibodies?

 

Of course a 2 yo is not going to have problems, COVID mainly affects the elderly and infirm. Who is using an anecdotal case now.

 

Kindly desist from the "open mind" stuff. I'm a scientist who lives by facts and data, and I find the suggestion downright insulting. Real facts? How do you know the "real facts" you speak of are not concocted by someone, the same accusation you level at governments and health authorities?

 

 

Several posts have been removed or edited for misinformation, trolling and engaging in spelling police.

 

2 hours ago, rumak said:

Please explain why my friend and his wife , vaccinated,  got covid and had to go into hospital.  Their 80 year old mother who lives with them, unvaccinated,  did not get covid.    Surely you are intelligent enough to know that a few anecdotal cases are not a basis for a conclusion.  

My daughter and husband vaccinated were sicker than their 2 year old son !   He barely had the sniffles. 

And......... the mrs and me are unvaccinated and are in shops and markets all the time and healthy as can be.   Five of my friends got  the shot and all got sick.      

I hate to say it..... but you do not understand the real facts.   Heck,   even a moderator here and an ex moderator i know got bad side effects !   

 

I don't think here is the right place for your pro or anti vaccine thoughts. 

Both anti and pro are nut jobs, IMHO. 

Here we go again with the antivax brigade who know more about covid then scientists and doctors and nurses and specialists worldwide who have spent decades studying and treating people with various viral diseases, developing vaccines and treatments, keeping detailed data under controlled circumstances , managing to control or almost eliminate a variety of viral diseases for decades through their research and efforts. 

 

 You can argue til the cows come home that you know more, know better.  You don't.

24 minutes ago, pomchop said:

Here we go again with the antivax brigade who know more about covid then scientists and doctors and nurses and specialists worldwide who have spent decades studying and treating people with various viral diseases, developing vaccines and treatments, keeping detailed data under controlled circumstances , managing to control or almost eliminate a variety of viral diseases for decades through their research and efforts. 

 

 You can argue til the cows come home that you know more, know better.  You don't.

This is what the data coming out of Australia is saying:

 

If you are vaccinated, and become infected with COVID, you are six times less likely to be occupying a bed in an ICU, or on a ventilator.

 

If you are vaccinated, you will be only 5% of the infected people developing "long COVID".

The vaccination rate in Australia is 84%.

 

Vaccines work. Smallpox only exists in a laboratory, polio only exists in s###holes such as Afghanistan.

 

Flu is a routine jab every year nowadays, vaccines are modified to keep up with the current mutation. That's the path COVID vaccination will be on.

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

This is what the data coming out of Australia is saying:

 

If you are vaccinated, and become infected with COVID, you are six times less likely to be occupying a bed in an ICU, or on a ventilator.

 

If you are vaccinated, you will be only 5% of the infected people developing "long COVID".

The vaccination rate in Australia is 84%.

 

Vaccines work. Smallpox only exists in a laboratory, polio only exists in s###holes such as Afghanistan.

 

Flu is a routine jab every year nowadays, vaccines are modified to keep up with the current mutation. That's the path COVID vaccination will be on.

May I have your opinion on this, please?

 

Global Coalition Statement: Commercial Aviation and Pilot Vaccine Injury 17/05/22

 

To the moderators, please do not delete this. This is not a troll post. The signatories (displayed at the bottom of the page) are high-level health and regulatory professionals. If you have reservations, please provide valid reasons/arguments explaining why you believe these qualified professionals are wrong.

 

This can't be merely dismissed as disinformation, obviously something concerning is going on here and the sooner everyone acknowledges it, the better.

27 minutes ago, kwonitoy said:

This is not a troll reply.

As a Canadian, I looked up Greg Hill, Free To Fly.

He is most definitely NOT a high level health professional, he is a pilot and unqualified to give health advice. 

He's  a guy banging a drum on the internet about freedoms while living in one of the freest countries on earth

He is a YT and blogger specializing in the freedom narrative that has taken hold in Canada.

Mostly Facebook and Qanon related.

Like the truckers that shut down some border crossings and driving around honking, demanding freedom to cross the border, but it wasn't Canadian laws preventing them it was American ones. The ones we have no control over.

 

He is free to post his views, and I am free to ignore him.

Regardless of your nationality, you will also notice the names on the two bottom lines such as Jane M. Orient, M.D., Executive Director of Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. 

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

My opinion is I would need to see the data on which the claims are based, there is none. Only vague assertions of harm and death.

I would also need to see and verify the bona fides of the "high-level health and regulatory professionals."

 

Just one example: When I Google Richard Urso, he turns up in a self-publicising video testifying in a Senate committee hearing in Texas, railing against lockdown strategy. I didn't watch the whole video, that's enough to have me wondering how many others I would find if I Googled their names as well.

 

I don't care whether the moderators delete your post or not, it does smell of BS to me.

 

 

We will see soon enough if the claims by these pilot advocacy groups are BS or not.

23 minutes ago, kwonitoy said:

And of 13 signatures, the only 2 Medical Doctors, hardly a consensus 

There are 6 doctors (some have regulatory positions as well) and the rest are airline professionals.

And of course there is the actual issue they are advocating for, which anyone who uses planes should feel concerned about.

7 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

 

I picked Richard Urso at random. He is an ophthalmologist, what the hell does he know about immunology and virology? It's like me saying I am a chemist, therefore I am an expert on the properties of hypergolic rocket fuels.

There are some 30 or 40 million Americans who believe Trump won the 2020 presidential election, because he said so on every social media platform. That does not mean it is true.

You have not put one shred of data forward to support your first post. Zero, zilch, zip, nada.

Given the post about Greg Hill, the smell of BS is now overwhelming.

 

Thanks for your valuable input.

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10 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I don't think here is the right place for your pro or anti vaccine thoughts. 

Both anti and pro are nut jobs, IMHO. 

I know what you mean. All those insane pro-vax epidemiologists and virologists. They should be ignored.

12 hours ago, rumak said:

personally i have no such agenda,    you got vaxxed   you got sick.   most likely you also passed it on to others,   

i am not vaxxed,  never sick,      So obviously I also did not cause anyone else to get sick.   

 

no agenda.     just the facts 

It may be obvious to you that you never passed it on. But you could have been asymptomatic. Roughly 40% are. So your claim that you didn't pass it on is entirely unverifiable.

So, still in my cell and staring at my swimming pool. 

 

Can covid be spread by using the same small pool?

Just did a Saliva test and shows negative. 

A friend, that was positive before me is still positive. 

 

I guess I'm free to go out and socialize. 

On 5/22/2022 at 1:01 PM, Neeranam said:

I did a COVID test and am positive. 

I've felt very tired, sore muscles and cough for 3 days.

Feeling a bit better today but a sore throat (...)

Well, a doctor at the hospital would sell you overpriced paracetamol and maybe a few other pills. What else can he do? (It's not like there is a shot against Covid he can give you.)

 

I'd go if I had serious breathing problems or other serious symptoms.

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

So, still in my cell and staring at my swimming pool. 

 

Can covid be spread by using the same small pool?

It's doubtful IF the pool has any free residual chlorine, even 0.1 ppm will do the trick.

Chlorination is intended to destroy bacteria, with an average diameter of 1000 to 2000 nm. At 125 nm in diameter, coronavirus would be a mere snack.

 

If you are not disinfecting your pool, you should be, because it can spread all kinds of nasties.

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Just did a Saliva test and shows negative. 

A friend, that was positive before me is still positive. 

 

I guess I'm free to go out and socialize. 

I would suggest repeating the test to be on the safe side, with another brand of ATK. Some ATK kits are returning false negatives. If you get the same result, you are good to go.

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

If you are not disinfecting your pool, you should be, because it can spread all kinds of nasties.

Any pools not "disinfected" by maintaining the correct Chlorine and pH levels very quickly and obviously become unfit to swim in. If the OP's pool has regular maintenance and he fancies a swim he should go for it.

what is your temp??

22 hours ago, rumak said:

personally i have no such agenda,    you got vaxxed   you got sick.   most likely you also passed it on to others,   

i am not vaxxed,  never sick,      So obviously I also did not cause anyone else to get sick.   

 

no agenda.     just the facts 

You are hijacking a post from someone who asks what to do with his situation, to advertise no-vaxx propaganda. Shameful. 

 

The OP said he was vaxx'd with 2 Sinovac, this was probably over a year ago since that has been discontinued, and we all know that that paricular vaccine was not very effective. In other words, you can count the OP as no-vaxx'd - suddenly your argument is not so strong is it?

 

But if you really want to discuss such things, please educate yourself in statistics first. The fact that an old non-vaxx lady doesn't get sick doesn't prove anything (the almost totality of people dying from Covid in Thailand these days are unvaccinated elderly persons), the fact that you have not been sick doesn't prove anything: maybe you are a Superman, someone with a titanium immune system, good for you but statistically irrelevant.

 

People like you are basically taking advantage of the fact that the rest of the population is largely vaxx'd. If everybody had followed your example, you can be reassured that you wouldn't be gloating so much.

48 minutes ago, arithai12 said:

If everybody had followed your example, you can be reassured that you wouldn't be gloating so much.

If there had not been a fear and coercion campaign throughout 2020 and 2021, most of the world population would not even know Covid existed.

On 5/22/2022 at 4:05 PM, rumak said:

 As a matter of fact,  only the unvaccinated people i know did not get sick.... including an 80 year old mother of a friend of mine (he and wife got sick)

 

So why are unvaccinated people the highest group of people dying from it while their % of people is the lowest?

An off-topic trolling post and ensuing reply have been removed.

 

Just a general point I have to say,  people - arguing for or against vaccinations, whatever - should learn the simple scientific principle that your experiences and those of two or three people you happen to know tell you nothing at all about the truth and have no evidentiary value. 

 

Thinking it does is as absurd if I said to you " I can't understand how Labor won the election because me and my two closest friends, and my mother-in-law, all voted Liberal!"

 

The experiences of a couple of people tell you nothing, whether you know them or not, and whether you are one of them or not!

 

The truth is learned by statistical analysis of what happens in a very large sample of people, large enough to be a fair representation of the entire population you are studying. Only this counts, and only this is evidence. This applies to every conclusion you ever draw, about anything under the sun!

 

EDIT: just noticed that arithai12 made the same point, with  even better examples, a few posts up. I'll leave mine anyway as it bears repeating ????

13 minutes ago, partington said:

Just a general point I have to say,  people - arguing for or against vaccinations, whatever - should learn the simple scientific principle that your experiences and those of two or three people you happen to know tell you nothing at all about the truth and have no evidentiary value. 

 

Thinking it does is as absurd if I said to you " I can't understand how Labor won the election because me and my two closest friends, and my mother-in-law, all voted Liberal!"

 

The experiences of a couple of people tell you nothing, whether you know them or not, and whether you are one of them or not!

 

The truth is learned by statistical analysis of what happens in a very large sample of people, large enough to be a fair representation of the entire population you are studying. Only this counts, and only this is evidence. This applies to every conclusion you ever draw, about anything under the sun!

 

EDIT: just noticed that arithai12 made the same point, with  even better examples, a few posts up. I'll leave mine anyway as it bears repeating ????

Some other poster called anti-maskers "irresponsible, reckless selfish Karens". The best characterization of all these covid-deniers, anti-vaxxers and mask-refusers in 2 years. 

They don't want to be convinced,  they are not interested in statistics or rational arguments at all.