Ladyboy murder: Many twists - Lithuanian denies everything and blames mother - dog found with monk

[webfact]

Picture: Thai Rath

 

There have been many developments in the murder of 31 year old transgender man Theerapong Lamleua who was found earlier in the week in a storeroom at a house in Prasat district of Surin, NE Thailand.

 

The suspect in the case - now named and Lithuanian not Russian - has blamed the mother who he said liked to steal her son's things.

 

He has denied any involvement and said he was waiting for Theerapong to come to Pattaya. The victim's dog has been found in the possession of an abbot after it was apparently abandoned in a park.

 

Thai Rath reported that the press were allowed access to Marius K., 31, yesterday afternoon following his initial interrogation after his arrest in Pattaya.

 

He continues to deny any involvement after grilling by the Prasat police.

 

Speaking through an interpreter he said the dog was left in a cage at the house and that J.J. (the nickname for Theerapong) had told him to go and wait in Pattaya, he would follow on later because he needed to meet someone.

 

He said he was going to return abroad but J.J. wanted him to stay on in Thailand so he did. 

 

He said he took a phone belonging to the victim because he had two and he was going to repair it. He couldn't remember when he pressed the ATM and how much he withdrew. (Thai Rath did not make the details clear about this, notes ASEAN NOW).

 

He couldn't remember what day he returned to Pattaya. Regarding bloodstains seen on his leg by the mother, that was caused by him scratching and blood on his clothes was caused by a nosebleed, he claimed. 

 

Reporters asked if he didn't murder Teerapong, who did?

 

The suspect said he thought it was probably the mother and an old person whose name he didn't know. He claimed that the mother liked to sell her son's stuff and borrow money from him. There were frequent thefts at the house and the father had issued warnings.

 

He denied there was an argument in a clip that has surfaced at a restaurant reiterating that he was waiting for J.J. and loved him and was very sad at his death.

 

He added in tears that his own mother was very sick and that his elder brother was aware of the trouble facing him in Thailand but was not sure if he would come.

 

Police said that despite all this they were waiting on DNA and other evidence analysis that will be ready shortly.

 

Meanwhile reporters found the victim's dog "Emma" a 5 year old female in the possession of the abbot of Wat Sikhowaram, a monk called Kittitheeraporn.

 

He said that a member of the public found it in a local park and advertised on Facebook for its owner to come forward. He decided to look after it in the meantime.

 

He has named it "Cat" because it likes to play with cats and is lovely and playful and follows him everywhere. 

 

The owner never showed up and then he found out about the murder. 

 

He said that Theeraporn's mother had come to see him as her son was missing and asked him to perform a ceremony. Shortly after she discovered he was dead and asked him to perform a funeral instead.

 

He believed that the spirit of the victim led the mother to him and the subsequent discovery of the body. 

 

He surmised that the "farang" had taken the dog to put in a cage because it would be problematic to take it and had finally decided to let it go in the park.

 

Investigations continue. 

 

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[Gecko123]

If suspect isn't being truthful, he doesn't seem to realize that the Thai police have a fairly sophisticated forensics capability. For example, if the scratches and blood allegedly seen on his body and clothes were related to the murder, that is going to quickly show up in the autopsy and crime scene forensic analysis. This would not be the first case of a foreign suspect thinking they can BS their way past the Thai police.

 

His "explanation for everything" responses to a long series of suspicious "coincidences" and activities reminds me of the 2017 Nordahl Lelandais abduction and murder of 8 year old Maëlys de Araujo at a wedding reception in France. For months on end he claimed his innocence and had an uncanny ability to come up with explanations for every incriminating piece of evidence he was confronted with, only finally confessing after a tiny speck of her blood was discovered in the boot of his car.

 

[RandolphGB]

8 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

If suspect isn't telling the truth, he doesn't seem to realize that the Thai police have a fairly sophisticated forensics capability.

 

As sophisticated as the methods used on Koh Tao, no doubt. 
 

Innocent or not, they’ll pin it on him and he’ll either pay up or do time.  

[internationalism]

after arrest warrant was put on him he should surrender to police.

Problem, if he doesn't follow thai news.

How he can't remember an exact date of travel of pattaya? Surely planning a few hundred km journey, changing flight tickets to delay departure, dates when he checked in at hotel in Pattaya would be remembered. And police can check them in multiple ways - following his SIM numbers, hotels and immigration records, cameras at bus stations or at petrol stations he stopped.

 

 

 

[StayinThailand2much]

14 minutes ago, RandolphGB said:

As sophisticated as the methods used on Koh Tao, no doubt. 
 

Innocent or not, they’ll pin it on him and he’ll either pay up or do time.  

They can be, if they want to. In the case of Koh Tao (and other cases of influential Thai families), they didn't want to, but, forced to come up with results, rounded up 'the usual suspects', i.e. migrant workers as scapegoats...

[spidermike007]

9 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

They can be, if they want to. In the case of Koh Tao (and other cases of influential Thai families), they didn't want to, but, forced to come up with results, rounded up 'the usual suspects', i.e. migrant workers as scapegoats...

Apparently, they are capable, and have decent forensic labs. But, they use their capabilities only when the suspect is worth under 200 million baht. In the case of Dark Tao the headman of Sairee Beach is worth closer to $250 million, mostly from the sale of illicit land, as are the other four families on that dark island, so he was totally above the law. His son was untouchable. So, they found a couple of innocent Burmese to pin this on. 

[OneMoreFarang]

Those explanations don't sound good. 

But on the other hand a foreigner must be very stupide to murder someone in Thailand and then stay in Thailand and hope all will be fine.

[ikke1959]

I get a deja vu of the Kao Tao murders of Burma.....My first question is .. why would he murder the victim??.. Who has given the dog to the monk? If the mother and some one else were stealing from the victim, why not investigate deeper?? Who was JJ meeting ??? And why are there always spirits involved??? I don't believe the Lithaunian man did it.... just because there was no motive as the family would have a motive as their son would move away and they could not steal from him anymore .... as the article says

[jvs]

Lets just wait for the DNA results,also the guy must have had a phone?

Easy to track him that way.

 

[steven100]

sounds like he suffers from amnesia 

[Excel]

28 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

I get a deja vu of the Kao Tao murders of Burma.....My first question is .. why would he murder the victim??.. Who has given the dog to the monk? If the mother and some one else were stealing from the victim, why not investigate deeper?? Who was JJ meeting ??? And why are there always spirits involved??? I don't believe the Lithaunian man did it.... just because there was no motive as the family would have a motive as their son would move away and they could not steal from him anymore .... as the article says

Quite right Watson.  However given the fact that ladyboys attempt to tell people that they are not really men, when they are, confidence in anything they subsequently claim must be quite low.????

[Gottfrid]

1 hour ago, daveAustin said:

Dude's Lithuanian.

Same same, but different. Never said he wasn't. I was comparing excuses, not nationalities.

 

[2long]

Not sure why they're referring to the transgender as a 'he' and 'him.' So many other news outlets refer to them as 'she' & 'her'. This victim certainly looked 'far enough transed' to be worthy of the female pronouns... at least if so many others seem to deserve it.

[scubascuba3]

Clear as mud, as usual

[2009]

It's getting to the point where I don't want to personally know any Thai people cos if something should happen to them, it's 'pin the tail on the farang' time.

[bananafish]

1 hour ago, 2long said:

Not sure why they're referring to the transgender as a 'he' and 'him.' So many other news outlets refer to them as 'she' & 'her'. This victim certainly looked 'far enough transed' to be worthy of the female pronouns... at least if so many others seem to deserve it.

They say "transgender man", which technically, is a biological woman who lives as a man. 

[Rimmer]

An off topic and troll post removed

[bananafish]

The monk / dog / mother entanglement is definitely a twisty tidbit.

 

But this guy had the ladyboys phone? "He was going to repair it". Yea right, that has 0% plausibility. 

[orchis]

21 minutes ago, webfact said:

He couldn't remember when he pressed the ATM and how much he withdrew.

with the victim's card?

[2long]

16 minutes ago, bananafish said:

They say "transgender man", which technically, is a biological woman who lives as a man. 

I think we all know what Theerapong was, and there's no need to trust a poor translation.

[Classic Ray]

This sounds like an extreme lovers tiff which happens in gay, straight and trans relationships.

 

Hopefully the forensics will prove or disprove the explanations.

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Same same, but different. Never said he wasn't. I was comparing excuses, not nationalities.

 

They are not the same same. 

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Who has given the dog to the monk?

Read the OP.

 

3 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

If the mother and some one else were stealing from the victim, why not investigate deeper??

Maybe they are.  Why do you suggest that they are not investigating deeply enough?

 

3 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

I don't believe the Lithaunian man did it.... just because there was no motive as the family would have a motive as their son would move away and they could not steal from him anymore

What?   You think that the family's motive for killing him would be to stop him moving away so that they could continue to steal from him?  When he's dead?  

[Gillyflower]

I only know what I have read here, but I find his story quite plausible.  I don't care whether he did or didn't do it (I'm in a bad mood because my neighbour wants to know how to cut onions). I personally haven't the faintest idea when I last went to the ATM, I know it was recently.   I personally think that the charming Mum did it.  

[micmichd]

4 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

I get a deja vu of the Kao Tao murders of Burma.....My first question is .. why would he murder the victim??.. Who has given the dog to the monk? If the mother and some one else were stealing from the victim, why not investigate deeper?? Who was JJ meeting ??? And why are there always spirits involved??? I don't believe the Lithaunian man did it.... just because there was no motive as the family would have a motive as their son would move away and they could not steal from him anymore .... as the article says

Follow the money if you need a motive. 

[hotandsticky]

14 minutes ago, micmichd said:

A ladyboy is commonly referred to as a "she" in Thailand. 

 

 

ALWAYS by other Thais, in my experience.

 

It still says 'Male' in their passports  -  you can't change that.

[hotandsticky]

14 minutes ago, micmichd said:

A ladyboy is commonly referred to as a "she" in Thailand. 

 

 

ALWAYS by other Thais, in my experience.

 

It still says 'Male' in their passports  -  you can't change that.

[Excel]

5 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

ALWAYS by other Thais, in my experience.

 

It still says 'Male' in their passports  -  you can't change that.

And they are a Mr on their Thai id cards also. 

[RichardColeman]

4 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

 first question is .. why would he murder the victim??.. Who has given the dog to the monk? If the mother and some one else were stealing from the victim, why not investigate deeper?? Who was JJ meeting ??? And why are there always spirits involved???

why would he murder the victim?? - threatened to reveal he was gay to his friends

 

Who has given the dog to the monk? - let it go in a park as he wanted to create alternative plot.

 

If the mother and some one else were stealing from the victim, why not investigate deeper?? - how do you know that is true ? You trust his say so ? 

 

Not saying my answers are true, but they are more creditable - or more so - than his story.

 

 

[bananafish]

40 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Perhaps it's as simple as the translation meaning to say "He was going to get it repaired"?   Probably easier in Pattaya than the middle of nowhere especially as he (the tranny) was, allegedly, planning to follow his boyfriend to Pattaya.

Not in a million years do I buy that would happen. There are phone repair shops in Prasat, and in my experience even in more touristic locations, phone repair shops are the type of places that don't have very good English, you're better speaking Thai or going with someone who does. 

 

I don't believe any person would be comfortable to hand their phone over to someone traveling hundreds of miles away, for them to then travel those hundreds of miles alone and phoneless. 

 

Having a phone is one of the main things you need these days when traveling. It's how people book flights, check tickets/times, navigate etc. 

 

It's like, you know if you lose everything else, but still have your phone, you'll be okay.

 

With a phone, you're never adrift, without it, you are. 

 

For me, him having her phone skews guilt heavily towards him.