Nearly 6 in 10 Americans say Trump should be charged for Jan. 6 riot--poll

[Rimmer]

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[Berkshire]

14 hours ago, KhunLA said:

More people than I would have thought, whole 9%, nobody cares. The other 34%

probably impossible not to hear about, same as reading the forum ... nuff said

 

"This survey finds only 34% of Americans are following the hearings somewhat or very closely, including only 9% following it very closely"

 

It's funny how you guys attack polls you don't like, but can't stop bringing up Joe Biden's poll numbers.  Wonder where those numbers came from? 

[Bluespunk]

9 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

 

 This thread is about trumps treasonous criminality in trying to overturn free and fair elections. 
 

He deserves gaol. 

[Berkshire]

7 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Georgia election investigation 'will send Donald Trump to jail': former Watergate prosecutor

According to former Watergate prosecutor Nick Akerman, he has no doubt that there is an ironclad case brewing in Georgia that will lead to an indictment and conviction of Donald Trump.

 

Speaking with MSNBC host Katie Phang, Akerman said the evidence is overwhelming that the former president tried to steal the election in the Peachtree state as evidenced by the phone call made to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger demanding he find enough votes to secure the state's 16 Electoral College votes.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-georgia-2657531189/

It's like getting Capone for tax evasion.  Trump's a slippery one.  He's been getting away with so much for so long.  If Georgia can do it, more power to them.  Whatever works.

[KhunLA]

6 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

 This thread is about trumps treasonous criminality in trying to overturn free and fair elections. 
 

He deserves gaol. 

USA, most are innocent till proven guilty, after indicted of course.  ...but want him jailed.  

 

hmm...

[wombat]

5 minutes ago, newnative said:

      I find nothing at all wrong with Clinton's advice to Biden to not concede the election.  I suspect she was harking back to both her election and the 2000 election where Gore conceded the election way too early, only to discover that Florida, and the election, was still very much in play and not decided on election night.  

      In a close election, there's no reason to concede early.  All the more so these days with so many mail-in ballots now being used, with various time frames among the states to both mail and count them.  Pennsylvania, I believe, waits until election day to start counting them, a process not completed on election night.  In Gore's case, depending on how the disputed Florida ballots are counted, he either won or lost Florida, and the election, by a tiny number of votes.  It took weeks for Florida, and the election, to be decided.

     With Hillary, she won the popular vote by 2.87 million votes but lost the electoral college by very narrowly losing a handful of states.  Had the results been the reverse in 2016, I doubt Trump would have conceded anything.  In 2020, he lost both the popular vote--by a whopping 7 million votes--and the electoral college.  Even with both losses, he still concedes nothing and still spreads the Big Lie that he won the election despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

     In any case, you didn't see Hillary calling up Secretaries of State in 2016 demanding they 'find' extra votes in her favor.  You didn't see her demanding that then vice-president Biden disavow the 2016 electoral college results and declare her the winner.  You didn't see her inciting a mob to storm the Capitol in January 2017 and, most odiously, you didn't see her agreeing with a rioter that hanging a non-complying Biden would be a good thing.  

not that the media reported so we wouldn't know would we?

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

USA, most are innocent till proven guilty, after indicted of course.  You don't care, but want him jailed.  

 

hmm...

Oh I believe him guilty but yes I’ll settle for a trial first. 
 

Funny how some forget all those campaign chants about locking up Clinton during the 2016 campaign. 
 

Hmm…

[KhunLA]

17 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

It's funny how you guys attack polls you don't like, but can't stop bringing up Joe Biden's poll numbers.  Wonder where those numbers came from? 

Not me.

 

Although I suspect with the economy in the state that it is, he's not the most popular at the moment.  People get a reminder of his failed policies, every time they pop into the gas station, or told about  the current inflation rate.

 

All those decades of experienced 'leadership', aren't meeting expectations of Build Back Better.

 

I'm so surprised ????

[KhunLA]

7 minutes ago, wombat said:

rrtfpmsl.....what states were the polls held in?

There's a link in the news blip for the poll, implies most of the country took part, well, those 545 people anyway.

[KhunLA]

8 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Oh I believe him guilty but yes I’ll settle for a trial first. 
 

Funny how some forget all those campaign chants about locking up Clinton during the 2016 campaign. 
 

Hmm…

Didn't forget, just ignored like everything else.

[scorecard]

8 hours ago, vinci said:

they will never charge Trump because they think it will look bad for America, they will find any excuses not to charge Trump, personally i would like to see Trump in prison 

From above:

 

"they will never charge Trump because they think it will look bad for America,..."

 

Point taken.

 

However seems to me that many folks from many other countries would see the opposite:

i.e. It looks good for America to get this highly unethical lying fool in jail. Becuae it would lift the image on the USA to be very moral in terms of democracy and proper usage/application of the law - the law applies to all citizens without favor.

[Bluespunk]

13 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Didn't forget, just ignored like everything else.

Well there we differ, I don't forget...

[KhunLA]

6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Well there we differ, I don't forget...

To quote her ... "What difference does it make?"

[Bluespunk]

Just now, KhunLA said:

To quote her ... "What difference does it make?"

Good for her, I still look forward to the day trump is gaoled...after a trial of course.

[Wrwest]

As an American citizen, I will await the complete Congressional Hearings to be completed before a final judgement. The Committee is doing a good job of explaining the issues to be addressed, the witnesses are presenting sworn testimony, factual documentation is presented from those tied to the issues. It is public for all to listen, watch. The preponderance of fact will forever condemn those involved for all times through the documented history.

[spidermike007]

There is little doubt Trump broke multiple laws during the lead up to Jan. 6th, during, and afterwards. He makes Nixon look like a boy scout. I think the DC fiasco backfired for sure, and he lost alot of his "middle of the road, sensible, hard working, decent people" base. It was an enormous miscalculation, and an act of sheer desperation by an unhinged madman. Now, with the permanent ban on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, he is almost a 305lb. zero. 

Trump incited a riot. He has no limits of civility or temperance. And the more extremist nitwits within his base take what he says as literally as some fundamentalists take the Bible. Add in nutters like Cruz and Hawley, (small minded men just jockeying for a powerful future position) and you have a near civil war. Fair to intervene? Or just sit back, and let it happen? I think what FB and Twitter did was glorious, wise, and upholds the republic. I never in a million years thought Dorsey or Zuck would have the balls to do this. Good on them!

 

 

[RT555]

Trump should be president......

[Berkshire]

3 hours ago, blazes said:

What surprises me is the solemn (if naïve) belief shown by many on here that sending DT to jail would somehow - what?- heal the nation's wounds?  provide grim satisfaction? 

And somehow the system would be cleaned up and we could all sleep well at nights?

I'd hazard a guess that locking him up (but not Mrs Clinton??)  would move the country one step nearer anarchy, if not intermittent revolutionary skirmishes (just like the BLM rioters as they took the law into their own hands).

 

You're asking why anyone wants Trump to go to jail.  Simple reason:  He committed crimes.  Good enough for you?  

[KhunLA]

17 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Good for her, I still look forward to the day trump is gaoled...after a trial of course.

You should google what her quote is from.  Would take topic way off, but do enlighten yourself.

[KhunLA]

2 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

You're asking why anyone wants Trump to go to jail.  Simple reason:  He committed crimes.  Good enough for you?  

Wait with baited breath for the indictments ... while enjoying my walks on the beach.  

 

 

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

You should google what her quote is from.  Would take topic way off, but do enlighten yourself.

This is about what I would like to see happen, for a multitude of reasons I believe trump should be in gaol.

 

Clinton's views are her own and, as you say, not related to this thread.

[mikeymike100]

16 hours ago, blazes said:

Too bad.  There's probably a whole raft of intelligent people on this thread insisting that Trump should go to jail.

 

What surprises me is the solemn (if naïve) belief shown by many on here that sending DT to jail would somehow - what?- heal the nation's wounds?  provide grim satisfaction? 

And somehow the system would be cleaned up and we could all sleep well at nights?

I'd hazard a guess that locking him up (but not Mrs Clinton??)  would move the country one step nearer anarchy, if not intermittent revolutionary skirmishes

 

Absolutely correct, once again we have trial by social media. In the USA everyone is Innocent until proven guilty in a  court of law.

Yet we have posts "Lock him up", its totally comical and absurd. Forget a fair court trial with a prosecution and defense?

 

This committee has subpoenaed over 80 people and could go on for a long time, they may issue a preliminary report before the Nov 8th elections. There is a partisan motive here. Part of what the committee is trying to do is to prevent Trump from running for president in 2024, because they know Trump remains a strong force in American politics.

If Republicans win control of the House and Senate in November, as expected,  the committee will have to put out a final report by January because the committee will die as soon as the Republicans take over, if they do takeover?

The committee could also make a criminal referral to the Department of Justice, urging prosecution of Trump or other administration officials, however The Justice Department rarely prosecutes on the basis of criminal referrals from Congress.

 

The other issue here is, is this investigation taking the spotlight off Biden's abysmal Presidency as has been discussed in other posts, will it actually work in stopping the Republicans taking over both houses? We shall soon find out.

[mikeymike100]

10 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

You're asking why anyone wants Trump to go to jail.  Simple reason:  He committed crimes.  Good enough for you?  

''If'' he committed crimes there would be a court trial, with evidence and witnesses from the prosecution and defense and a jury would decide? We are not living in the middle ages?

[Berkshire]

5 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

''If'' he committed crimes there would be a court trial, with evidence and witnesses from the prosecution and defense and a jury would decide? We are not living in the middle ages?

Yes, I get that.  We all get that.  Nevertheless, I look forward to seeing Trump in prison where he belongs (after he has his day in court, of course).

[mikeymike100]

2 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Yes, I get that.  We all get that.  Nevertheless, I look forward to seeing Trump in prison where he belongs (after he has his day in court, of course).

So not innocent until proven guilty?? LOL

[OneMoreFarang]

Is it now a question of asking the people if crimes should be prosecuted?

 

He should have been arrested on the way out of the White House.

And obviously all his spineless supporters who know the truth but who want more power and ignore the constitution should also be in jail.

 

Do Americans think their problems can be solved if the biggest criminals run around free? What a strange country. 

 

[spidermike007]

12 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

So not innocent until proven guilty?? LOL

No. Trump has been guilty since he was a young man. He has stolen countless billions along the way, was involved on 3,600 lawsuits at the time he took office, and has made a career over ruining the lives of the small contractors he has worked with. 

 

[KhunLA]

12 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

No. Trump has been guilty since he was a young man. He has stolen countless billions along the way, was involved on 3,600 lawsuits at the time he took office, and has made a career over ruining the lives of the small contractors he has worked with.

 

My mother worked for him at original casino in NJ, USA, and thought he was best boss she ever had.  And like me, takes a long time to warm up to anyone.  I'll take her word for it.

[mikeymike100]

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

No. Trump has been guilty since he was a young man. He has stolen countless billions along the way, was involved on 3,600 lawsuits at the time he took office, and has made a career over ruining the lives of the small contractors he has worked with. He is vermin. 

 

 

If what you say is true, why isn't he in prison? Once again you need to be "found guilty" in a court of law?

[OneMoreFarang]

It's sad the Trump supporters blame everybody else.

Just assume for a moment all people in the committee would hate Trump. Does that make the evidence irrelevant?

I know some people are too stupid to recognize the truth or evidence, but that are not so many people.

Lots of people in American and in this forum willfully ignore evidence. And they accept that Trump is above the laws and the constitution.

 

Even if you love Trump and his politics it should not be so difficult to understand that he is a criminal. Why don't you vote for another politician with similar politics to Trump who is not a criminal?