Boris Johnson's future in peril as Conservative Party hit with double election losses

[James105]

11 hours ago, placeholder said:

Really? Was Tony Blair masquerading as John Major? Must be because John Major was PM on Feb 7, 1992 when the Maastricht Treaty guaranteeing freedom of movement in the EU was signed.

 

"The twelve members of the European Communities signing the Treaty on 7 February 1992 were Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Portugal, Spain, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastricht_Treaty#:~:text=The twelve members of the,Netherlands and the United Kingdom.

 

 

No-one (or not many) was complaining about the original freedom of movement as the 12 countries involved were similar economically and the inward immigration remained in the tens of thousands per year.   People would freely move both ways and this was good for everyone.  

 

What I quite clearly stated was that Blair not only signed the treaty for the accession countries in the EU expansion, but ensured that the UK would be permanently changed by allowing freedom of movement from the poorer accession countries into the UK.   Every other EU country imposed a delay on freedom of movement for these countries.   Because the UK was the only rich country that did not restrict freedom of movement from those from the poorer accession countries the freedom of movement that was previously working so well became a one way migration for hundreds of thousands of people into the UK.    If Blair had simply applied the same delay as every other country instead of his cynical ploy to "rub the rights nose in diversity" as he was reported to have said, the UK would still be in the EU today.    So yes, I blame Blair for this.    

Edited June 27, 2022 by James105

[transam]

15 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Added to which the UK has stagnant growth.

 

It’s not just worker’s wages that are falling behind inflation but the whole economy.

 

Inward investment is down, internal investment is down, skills and worker shortages across all sectors.

 

Its a mess, and it’s not getting any better.

 

 

Just imagine what it would be if Corby's lot were in control.....????

[transam]

18 hours ago, Excel said:

And the only country in Europe either within the EU or within the continent of Europe where somebody has been fined for an illegal act, even though that was a summary criminal offence,  is thus by definition a criminal, and is still allowed to be in charge of the country.

What a load of tosh....................????

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, transam said:

What a load of tosh....................????

I guess this is your way of conceding that it's true.

[huangnon]

On 6/25/2022 at 1:22 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

He’ll not resign, which is good news for opposition parties.

The only real opposition he has, is from his own back-benchers.

[Kwasaki]

20 hours ago, Excel said:

And the only country in Europe either within the EU or within the continent of Europe where somebody has been fined for an illegal act, even though that was a summary criminal offence,  is thus by definition a criminal, and is still allowed to be in charge of the country.

He was only fined for being ambushed by a birthday cake. 

 

You Boris haters make it sound like a hanging offence. ????

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Just imagine what it would be if Corby's lot were in control.....????

Perhaps you can get back to the reality of who is actually PM and the mess he’s making of the job.

 

 

 

 

 

[transam]

16 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

He was only fined for being ambushed by a birthday cake. 

 

You Boris haters make it sound like a hanging offence. ????

It's all they got.....????

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, James105 said:

No-one (or not many) was complaining about the original freedom of movement as the 12 countries involved were similar economically and the inward immigration remained in the tens of thousands per year.   People would freely move both ways and this was good for everyone.  

 

What I quite clearly stated was that Blair not only signed the treaty for the accession countries in the EU expansion, but ensured that the UK would be permanently changed by allowing freedom of movement from the poorer accession countries into the UK.   Every other EU country imposed a delay on freedom of movement for these countries.   Because the UK was the only rich country that did not restrict freedom of movement from those from the poorer accession countries the freedom of movement that was previously working so well became a one way migration for hundreds of thousands of people into the UK.    If Blair had simply applied the same delay as every other country instead of his cynical ploy to "rub the rights nose in diversity" as he was reported to have said, the UK would still be in the EU today.    So yes, I blame Blair for this.    

Except immigration from European nations wasn’t the immigration that ‘Leave’ campaigned on.

 

If you take time to look you’ll find a few Leave Campaign Poster images and wide spread discussion on their messaging to remind you of what immigration Leave campaigned on.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps you can get back to the reality of who is actually PM and the mess he’s making of the job.

 

 

 

 

 

Touched a nerve have I, sorry about that...????

[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

He was only fined for being ambushed by a birthday cake. 

 

You Boris haters make it sound like a hanging offence. ????

It’s a matter very many people regard as deeply offensive, especially those who lost family members to COVID and were not permitted to attend hospitals or even funerals to say their goodbyes.

 

Refer outcome of bi-elections.

 

Edited June 27, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Touched a nerve have I, sorry about that...????

Not all Transam, I’m simply noting you have to depart from reality in order to avoid facing the mess Boris is making.

 

I do understand why you have no real defense.

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not all Transam, I’m simply noting you have to depart from reality in order to avoid facing the mess Boris is making.

 

I do understand why you have no real defense.

You seem to have forgotten the mess your lefty lot has made in resent history, even your second in command can't control her expletives, it's a laugh, laugh, laugh all the way with Corby's lot....????

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 6/26/2022 at 10:48 AM, transam said:

Lefty/anti facts from The Guardian is not on my "take notice of" list..????

Except that the same facts are being reported by publications from every point on the political spectrum.

 

In the Daily Express for example, we find the following:

 

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... members of his own party lashed out at the PM for his comments, with one ex-cabinet minister describing Mr Johnson’s remarks as “completely delusional” while another senior MP said he was “showing increasing signs of a bunker mentality, and that never ends well.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1631258/boris-johnson-three-terms-election-have-your-say-evg

[herfiehandbag]

The Tories will of course always vote Tory. The secret is to persuade the “floating voter" or even people who normally support the other parties to vote Tory.

 

Boris Johnson can do that — he did it in two London Mayoral Elections, and in the last General Election, Margaret Thatcher did it, Tony Blair did it for Labour. That is why they all won big majorities.

 

Boris Johnson's big problem is that he is not “one of us". Not one of the “men in grey suits" who, because they weigh rather than count the vote in their constituencies, are relatively immune to the vissitudes of elections. They remain safely in parliament whether in opposition or government. I don't think, quite frankly, many of them are that interested in being in government.

 

Boris is a bit weird, a risk taker, a man who relies on being a character ( most Tory MPs would not recognise a character if it fell off their bookshelves in a leather bound volume and hit them on the bonce!); a politician who works on connecting with people other than the Tory faithful. They don't like that. He is an election winner, I'm not too sure that they are too bothered about that!

 

The same holds true for the mainstream media. He is “not one of us". You would have thought they would, as “opinion formers" be thrilled to have a former journalist in number ten. He was successful as a journalist, but without conforming to their “norms", or forming opinions of which they approved. That is why they dislike him so, and boy does it show!

 

So if they manage to get rid of Boris, the confirmed Tory voters will still vote Tory. But the rest, who were largely responsible for putting the party in government, probably won't.

If the Tories do squeak to victory having ousted Johnson (I don't think they will) then they will have to deal with a media which has decided it can, does and will call the shots; and essentially because the Tory remainers will have ignited it, another chapter in the Tory civil war over Europe. Nigel Farage, essentially a Tory albeit one who doesn't pay a subscription, will reappear on the ramparts. The “red wall" fell to the Tories because 1) people could relate to Boris, and 2) because Nigel Farage effectively told them to vote Tory. Either way, if they oust Johnson they are knackered, electorally and in terms of their internal politics.

[Photoguy21]

On 6/25/2022 at 3:46 AM, baboon said:

Yep, he just shrugged off another disaster. Let him drag his cowardly party down with him...

There appears to be a few good back benchers but the front benchers are all sniverling toads

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

There appears to be a few good back benchers but the front benchers are all sniverling toads

A characteristic Johnson found appealing when selecting his front bench.

[Photoguy21]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

A characteristic Johnson found appealing when selecting his front bench.

Of course, he wants people who will suck up to him. Are they all called Golum on the front bench?

[James105]

55 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Except immigration from European nations wasn’t the immigration that ‘Leave’ campaigned on.

 

If you take time to look you’ll find a few Leave Campaign Poster images and wide spread discussion on their messaging to remind you of what immigration Leave campaigned on.

It doesn't really matter what they or anyone else campaigned on.   The UK was on the path to leaving the EU the moment the ink dried on the accession treaty that resulted in 300,000 inwards migration every year.   Just because you are the type of person that is influenced by whats displayed on a poster does not mean the rest of the population is. 

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, James105 said:

It doesn't really matter what they or anyone else campaigned on.   The UK was on the path to leaving the EU the moment the ink dried on the accession treaty that resulted in 300,000 inwards migration every year.   Just because you are the type of person that is influenced by whats displayed on a poster does not mean the rest of the population is. 

It matters when the immigration issue that was used to drive voting isn’t resolved.

 

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Except immigration from European nations wasn’t the immigration that ‘Leave’ campaigned on.

 

If you take time to look you’ll find a few Leave Campaign Poster images and wide spread discussion on their messaging to remind you of what immigration Leave campaigned on.

You mean like this one? ???? 

[dunroaming]

On 6/25/2022 at 1:05 PM, Kwasaki said:

LBC radio UK,  Boris is carrying on with the job in hand. 

Go go Boris. ????????

Yes indeed.  Go Boris!

 

If only he would, but I fear he will hang on until he is dumped by his own party

[Bluespunk]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a matter very many people regard as deeply offensive, especially those who lost family members to COVID and were not permitted to attend hospitals or even funerals to say their goodbyes.

 

Refer outcome of bi-elections.

 

Thank you

[Bluespunk]

@Kwasaki

 

Some of us were unable to attend funerals of immediate family. Good to know you find that funny…

Edited June 27, 2022 by Bluespunk

[Kwasaki]

15 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

@Kwasaki

 

Some of us were unable to attend funerals of immediate family. Good to know you find that funny…

Not funny at all fact of life, life being do do sometimes get over it. 

The rule of law was to stop the spread of infection. 

It should not apply to when the door of number 10 door is shut the people inside are running the country.

Media witch hunt that's all. 

[Bluespunk]

56 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Not funny at all fact of life, life being do do sometimes get over it. 

The rule of law was to stop the spread of infection. 

It should not apply to when the door of number 10 door is shut the people inside are running the country.

Media witch hunt that's all. 

Nonsense 

[Kwasaki]

44 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Nonsense 

To someone like you maybe emotionally following the media reported rubbish, not me so please ya fliging self.

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

To someone like you maybe emotionally following the media reported rubbish, not me so please ya fliging self.

No. 
 

 I followed the rules. As did my family. 
 

johnson broke them because he doesn’t believe the rules apply to him and his mates. 
 

The man is contemptible and a lying hypocrite. 

[placeholder]

55 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Nonsense 

Your argurment is only valid of those partying people kept themselves locked up in #10 to avoid spreading contagion elsewhere. Is that what happened? Were they quarantined?

[Bluespunk]

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Edited June 27, 2022 by Bluespunk