Is this being racist?

[Brian Nose]

Is it true?

[Bert got kinky]

15 minutes ago, Brian Nose said:

Is it true?

With the user-name of 'Brian Nose', you would hope not. ????

 

[Liverpool Lou]

21 hours ago, 1FinickyOne said:

of course it is racist... anti-semitic and just plain moronic...

It was not anti-Semitic, the person he was referring to was neither a Jew, nor from Israel.

[jvs]

I just wonder if the op can handle his job?

Is the German a lot older?

Maybe he was send here because he did the same in Germany?

Next time he speaks out you should just tell him so that every one can hear,"We do not appreciate this kind of talk here"

Don't let it fester,if you are talking here about it then for sure the other

workers are talking about it.

 

[johnnybangkok]

19 hours ago, problemfarang said:

hi. thats also another reason why i started this. And yours is one of them. Actually they were talking about how people take seriously their jobs when doing something and then somehow he took the topic to nationality. Such as this country people do work like this, that country like this, blah blah.. And then it came to his nose and where he is from. Btw his nose is fine, nothing special. So, the topic was serious. And im pretty sure he knew what he was talking about. 

another problem with him is, he is all over the thai female personnel. He is flirting with everything he thinks is female. im serious. And we are working for the Royal Thai Airforce, everyone here is ranked people. 

I will give him a verbal warning tomorrow. If this still goes on written. And then i have to think about his employment. 

 

thanks

The first thing you need to do is have a discussion with him and find out if he knew he was being xenaphobic. You mentioned his English isn't great and having had many different nationalities work from me in the past, this could be the thing; he genuinely didn't mean it the way it came out. Equally though he could be very aware of what he was saying and therefore appropriate action needs to be taken. 

However, the one that would really concern me is the part about hitting on all the females, especially in the environment you have mentioned. It is highly inappropropiate for ANYONE to being doing this in a work environment let alone a military set-up with female ranking officers so this needs to be addressed immediately.

Have the discussion, make your thoughts clearly known and let him know he is getting a verbal warning (it probably doesn't constitute a written one at this stage). Give him a clear timeline for improvement and let him know that the next time it happens will result in either a written warning or if severe, instant dismissal. Even though this is a verbal warning, it can still be recorded and if you want it to be rock-solid, have someone else present (HR or the likes) whilst you are having the discussion. The procedures for this should all be in your employee manual so make sure you follow it to avoid employment tribunials and the likes.

Best of luck and let us know how it goes.  

[chalawaan]

22 hours ago, ballpoint said:

I'm proud of my big nose.  You know what they say...

Big nose, big handkerchief.

I use tissues for that sort of thing....????

As for the teutonic taunter, just give him enough rope, as they say.

Edited August 23, 2022 by chalawaan

[problemfarang]

42 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

The first thing you need to do is have a discussion with him and find out if he knew he was being xenaphobic. You mentioned his English isn't great and having had many different nationalities work from me in the past, this could be the thing; he genuinely didn't mean it the way it came out. Equally though he could be very aware of what he was saying and therefore appropriate action needs to be taken. 

However, the one that would really concern me is the part about hitting on all the females, especially in the environment you have mentioned. It is highly inappropropiate for ANYONE to being doing this in a work environment let alone a military set-up with female ranking officers so this needs to be addressed immediately.

Have the discussion, make your thoughts clearly known and let him know he is getting a verbal warning (it probably doesn't constitute a written one at this stage). Give him a clear timeline for improvement and let him know that the next time it happens will result in either a written warning or if severe, instant dismissal. Even though this is a verbal warning, it can still be recorded and if you want it to be rock-solid, have someone else present (HR or the likes) whilst you are having the discussion. The procedures for this should all be in your employee manual so make sure you follow it to avoid employment tribunials and the likes.

Best of luck and let us know how it goes.  

thanks

this is exactly what i did this morning. 

First listened to his side of the story. Well, it turned out he knew what he said and the meaning but he didnt think it would be racist or likewise. And about hitting the female employees, he thinks there is nothing wrong with this because he is single (well actually he has a  German wife in Germany, but i dont know the strength of the relationship) and he feels he is ok to do it. 

I explained him that this will be his verbal warning about both topics. He may not think its rude or likewise but it can be for another especially in an international working environment. And about the hitting issue, i told him this is a working place and should act more pro. The Thai army officer who is responsible from the thai personnel was with me, just sat and listened. And actually after the short meeting he thanked me about hitting females issue. 

He kind of accept my speech but i can tell you his body language was like, i dont give a damn. Well, we will see.

 

PS: When i was posting this, it turned out that he also told one of the engineers here in the base that Thai men has small .... !

 

But this is before today's meeting so i will wait and see. Meanwhile i will ask him to go and apologize from both Thai and the nose guy. 

 

 

Edited August 23, 2022 by problemfarang

[Olmate]

3 minutes ago, problemfarang said:

thanks

this is exactly what i did this morning. 

First listened to his side of the story. Well, it turned out he knew what he said and the meaning but he didnt think it would be racist or likewise. And about hitting the female employees, he thinks there is nothing wrong with this because he is single (well actually he has a  German wife in Germany, but i dont know the strength of the relationship) and he feels he is ok to do it. 

I explained him that this will be his verbal warning about both topics. He may not think its rude or likewise but it can be for another especially in an international working environment. And about the hitting issue, i told him this is a working place and should act more pro. The Thai army officer who is responsible from the thai personnel was with me, just sat and listened. And actually after the short meeting he thanked me about hitting females issue. 

He kind of accept my speech but i can tell you his body language was like, i dont give a damn. Well, we will see.

 

PS: When i was posting this, it turned out that he also told one of the engineers here in the base that Thai men has small .... !

 

But this is before today's meeting so i will wait and see. Meanwhile i will ask him to go and apologize from both Thai and the nose guy. 

 

 

You could mention his box head I guess! 

[The Hammer2021]

It's rude, inappropriate personal behaviour using racist stereo types

[userabcd]

21 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Really you would have to have heard how he said it. Did he say it in a sarcastic, joking way, or was he serious?

Problem is now people get offended at the smallest criticism or comment.

As he is German and was speaking English did he understand exactly the meaning of his words?

 

Still do not understand why the German in a work setting is discussing a colleagues nose size whether jokingly or not.

 

The guy needs a written warning to be entered into his personal file.

 

If the guy is still on probation and is not critical to the company job then it is time to part ways, nobody in a company is indispensable.

Edited August 23, 2022 by userabcd

[Screaming]

Who cares, everybody is untitled to their own opinion. Most stereotypes are true:

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200804/all-stereotypes-are-true-except-i-what-are-stereotypes

 

 

[Bert got kinky]

5 minutes ago, Screaming said:

Who cares, everybody is untitled to their own opinion. Most stereotypes are true:

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200804/all-stereotypes-are-true-except-i-what-are-stereotypes

 

 

 

Most stereotypes are true:

Are you suggesting that white men can't jump?

 

Edited August 23, 2022 by Bert got kinky

[mikeymike100]

22 minutes ago, userabcd said:

Still do not understand why the German in a work setting is discussing a colleagues nose size whether jokingly or not.

 

The guy needs a written warning to be entered into his personal file.

 

If the guy is still on probation and is not critical to the company job then it is time to part ways, nobody in a company is indispensable.

Whilst I agree with your sentiment, if he was making a joke, albeit a poor joke then I would give him the benefit of the doubt.

I am sure everyone has said something in poor taste before.

[BTB1977]

Most of the Germans I've met still have that Nazi attitude. And are extremely rude. An attitude of superiority seems to be how they were raised.  Always looking down on non Germans.  Sad to say I'm half German, but raised in another country thank God. 

[VocalNeal]

1 hour ago, Bert got kinky said:

Are you suggesting that white men can't jump?

No. But the more white Michael Jackson got, the worse his dancing was.

[PATTAYA12]

23 hours ago, worgeordie said:

You say anything in today's World ,and there are going to be people

that are offended* ,don't know what the Worlds coming to ,but there

are a lot of sensitive people out there , * even if it's not offensive ......????

regards Worgeordie 

So true you open your mouth now it’s racist 

[greenmonkey]

racist... i'm undecided but probably not. Rude and insensitive.... most definitely!!! Sounds like a bit of an idiot to me.

[thailand49]

On 8/22/2022 at 1:42 PM, ozimoron said:

It could be considered racist but the context indicates stereotyping which is plain ignorance and one crime level below racism, in my opinion. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes in a western country if the other guy complained to HR.

 

[micmichd]

On 8/22/2022 at 1:55 PM, Bert got kinky said:

How could it be anti-semitic  if the guy is not he is not from Israel or a jew?

 

You know how stereotyping works? Nazi yellow press "Der Stuermer" was perfect in this. 

The guy from the other country might have a long nose (even "Farang" means "long nose"), he might be from a middle east country, and so he falls into the stereotype of an "unwanted foreigner".

I am German by passport. You have any idea how often in Thailand I heard Germans yell "Auslaender raus!" ("foreigners out!")? And it's very easy for them to point at someone's nose like the Nazis did in their aforementioned propaganda leaflet. 

That IS racism, nothing less. 

[swm59nj]

Some parts of the conversation were left out.  Especially other things the guy was referring to during his comments.  Depending what they were,  it possibly could be racist. 
But it appears other people have issues with him and his comments also. So the guy sounds like a jerk to begin with 

[daveAustin]

Sounds like a right tool and have come across this bogun attitude from quite a few Germans in the past. Not necessarily racist, but clearly inappropriate in the workplace, esp chasing ranked women. What a douche. I'd let him dig himself another hole and then give the push. That type will likely not change.

[ozimoron]

19 minutes ago, micmichd said:

You know how stereotyping works? Nazi yellow press "Der Stuermer" was perfect in this. 

The guy from the other country might have a long nose (even "Farang" means "long nose"), he might be from a middle east country, and so he falls into the stereotype of an "unwanted foreigner".

I am German by passport. You have any idea how often in Thailand I heard Germans yell "Auslaender raus!" ("foreigners out!")? And it's very easy for them to point at someone's nose like the Nazis did in their aforementioned propaganda leaflet. 

That IS racism, nothing less. 

In your example, you describe racism against a population in general which is quite different to what we see here. To say that a big nosed person might come from the Middle East is no more racist that suggesting somebody is Asian because they have black hair, oval eyes and a flat nose. Is that racist too, or stereotyping? Racism goes to intent, not the mere words alone.

Edited August 23, 2022 by ozimoron

[Sparktrader]

On 8/22/2022 at 1:52 PM, 1FinickyOne said:

of course it is racist... anti-semitic and just plain moronic...

 

and you can tell him I said so...

Dont Italians have big noses?

 

Not sure how it could be just one country

[Sparktrader]

56 minutes ago, BTB1977 said:

Most of the Germans I've met still have that Nazi attitude. And are extremely rude. An attitude of superiority seems to be how they were raised.  Always looking down on non Germans.  Sad to say I'm half German, but raised in another country thank God. 

I find them friendly, met one last night.

 

Aussies are amongst the rudest people.

[Aussieroaming]

Sounds like the nazi german aryan racist whitey has been watching too much Monty python. 

[micmichd]

11 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

In your example, you describe racism against a population in general which is quite different to what we see here. To say that a big nosed person might come from the Middle East is no more racist that suggesting somebody is Asian because they have black hair, oval eyes and a flat nose. Is that racist too, or stereotyping? Racism goes to intent, not the mere words alone.

Then I guess the intent of the German in question was to dehumanize someone he considered a competitor (maybe even sexually). Which doesn't make it any better. 

[ozimoron]

Just now, micmichd said:

Then I guess the intent of the German in question was to dehumanize someone he considered a competitor (maybe even sexually). Which doesn't make it any better. 

I didn't suggest what he said was nice or acceptable. In fact, I described it as a crime.

[IAMHERE]

Prejudice for sure but not racist. Power has to be used against someone because of their race; I don't see the power being used.  These days prejudice is easily mistaken for racism. 

[micmichd]

7 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

Prejudice for sure but not racist. Power has to be used against someone because of their race; I don't see the power being used.  These days prejudice is easily mistaken for racism. 

Attitudes determine behaviour. Fortunately the Nazis are out in GerMoney. But there's still (or again) all kinds of Neonazis in GerMoney that propagate their tribal white supremacy. Up to the point where they say "Human rights for Germans only" (AfD) Better put them down before they get into power. 

[Kinnock]

On 8/22/2022 at 1:59 PM, Bert got kinky said:

Blazing Saddles.

 

Brilliant film ..... takes the p!&& out of racism.  And if I ever need cheering up, I watch the baked beans scene.