FBI found more than 11,000 government records at Trump's Florida home

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22 minutes ago, riclag said:

 

Its been reported.The documents with govt markings were declassified according  to kash patel trumps former aid and now one of his reps to the national archives! 
“The bottom line was he said this information has to get out to the American public,” Mr. Patel said in an interview Wednesday. Mr. Patel said he didn’t know what was in the boxes the Federal Bureau of Investigation seized earlier this month but believed prosecutors would have a hard time proving that the documents weren’t covered by Mr. Trump’s declassification orders.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ex-white-house-aide-kash-patel-presses-view-trump-broadly-declassified-documents-11661083201
As a president when he was president he can decide what is personal , not others, according to a 2012 ruling.

Heres a quote from a expert,  former law clerk to the SCOUS

“Even if Trump took classified records, that isn't a crime. The president has the inherent constitutional power to declassify any record he wants, in any manner he wants, regardless of any otherwise-pertinent statute or regulation that applies to everyone else. The president does not need to obtain Congress' or a bureaucrat's permission—or jump through their regulatory or statutory hoops—to declassify anything”. 
https://www.newsweek.com/garland-wray-must-impeached-unconscionable-trump-raid-opinion-1733523

 I see the lefts ridiculous narrative that he stole documents another in the long line of manufactured spins. 

It's not going to be real hard showing the ridiculousness of Trump's claim that he declassified these documents. His lawyers never even claimed such all through the negotiations. And they acknowledged that there were classified materials there which the Justice Dept removed in June of 2022.. And no one, except Patel, and I think Meadows, ever claimed to be advised about Trump's declassifying these documents or his alleged rule that if a document was taken to his quarters it was automatically declassified.

 

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's not going to be real hard showing the ridiculousness of Trump's claim that he declassified these documents. His lawyers never even claimed such all through the negotiations. And they acknowledged that there were classified materials there which the Justice Dept removed in June of 2022.. And no one, except Patel, and I think Meadows, ever claimed to be advised about Trump's declassifying these documents or his alleged rule that if a document was taken to his quarters it was automatically declassified.

Not to put too fine a point on it but even if he did declassify everything, if any national secrets that were secrets before he declassified them got into anybody's hands then he gets indicted for espionage. Anybody.

[Hummin]

If there was a conspiracy against Trump, FBI would have made sure they brought enough evidence with them, to arrest him on site! How hard can it be to falsely plant evidence when working in FBI?

 

Can not believe The greatest circus of all time can continue the show in public as The Joker he is! 
 

And his followers still trust and believe in him. Talking about illusion 

Edited September 4, 2022 by Hummin

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2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Not to put too fine a point on it but even if he did declassify everything, if any national secrets that were secrets before he declassified them got into anybody's hands then he gets indicted for espionage. Anybody.

Well, he would get indicted for something most likely. But would it be espionage if, say, the stuff was stolen from Mar-a-Lago?

[ozimoron]

Just now, placeholder said:

Well, he would get indicted for something most likely. But would it be espionage if, say, the stuff was stolen from Mar-a-Lago?

If it was not proved that Trump knew about the theft or was in on the act they would surely get him on a lessor charge of negligence or violation of the PRA anyway. They'd throw the book at him for sure. The person who stole it of course would be a very old man before he got out of jail. Either that or he'd be rich and living in Moscow or Dubai.

[freedomnow]

He also knows about USAs 'super weapon'...mentioned it in one interview - top secret papers or not...it's in his head, all the details.

 

"We have one weapon that could wipe out Russia"...maybe interview was with that sleazebag Piers Morgan about Biden not being tougher with Vlad the Impaler....

 

He may have been referring to a multihead nuke - but am sure it sounded like a new level of weapon tech unannounced.

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Just now, freedomnow said:

He also knows about USAs 'super weapon'...mentioned it in one interview - top secret papers or not...it's in his head, all the details.

 

"We have one weapon that could wipe out Russia"...maybe interview was with that sleazebag Piers Morgan about Biden not being tougher with Vlad the Impaler....

 

He may have been referring to a multihead nuke - but am sure it sounded like a new level of weapon tech unannounced.

Because we can trust what Trump claims? And as for all the details...when has Trump ever shown that he has mastered the details of any subject? Much easier to make things up.

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

He also knows about USAs 'super weapon'...mentioned it in one interview - top secret papers or not...it's in his head, all the details.

 

"We have one weapon that could wipe out Russia"...maybe interview was with that sleazebag Piers Morgan about Biden not being tougher with Vlad the Impaler....

 

He may have been referring to a multihead nuke - but am sure it sounded like a new level of weapon tech unannounced.

It for sure is not in his head.

[riclag]

24 minutes ago, Hummin said:

If there was a conspiracy against Trump, FBI would have made sure they brought enough evidence with them, to arrest him on site! How hard can it be to falsely plant evidence when working in FBI?

 

Can not believe The greatest circus of all time can continue the show in public as The Joker he is! 
 

And his followers still trust and believe in him. Talking about illusion 

He wasn’t on site when they came a calling he was in NY or NJ .

A reasonable person would be curious imop to know why a secret service rep or Trumps legal team wouldn’t be allowed to tag along and was asked by the fbi to shut down cctv while they scoured Trumps residence .

[Eric Loh]

24 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

If it was not proved that Trump knew about the theft or was in on the act they would surely get him on a lessor charge of negligence or violation of the PRA anyway. They'd throw the book at him for sure. The person who stole it of course would be a very old man before he got out of jail. Either that or he'd be rich and living in Moscow or Dubai.

Just look at the treasure trove of materials that the FBI and DOJ have at their disposal. Insider informers, witnesses, perjured lawyers, surveillance tapes and finger prints. Teflon Trump will see his days in court and in jail. 

[LarrySR]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

 

Its been reported.The documents with govt markings were declassified according  to kash patel trumps former aid and now one of his reps to the national archives! 
“The bottom line was he said this information has to get out to the American public,” Mr. Patel said in an interview Wednesday. Mr. Patel said he didn’t know what was in the boxes the Federal Bureau of Investigation seized earlier this month but believed prosecutors would have a hard time proving that the documents weren’t covered by Mr. Trump’s declassification orders.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ex-white-house-aide-kash-patel-presses-view-trump-broadly-declassified-documents-11661083201
As a president when he was president he can decide what is personal , not others, according to a 2012 ruling.

Heres a quote from a expert,  former law clerk to the SCOUS

“Even if Trump took classified records, that isn't a crime. The president has the inherent constitutional power to declassify any record he wants, in any manner he wants, regardless of any otherwise-pertinent statute or regulation that applies to everyone else. The president does not need to obtain Congress' or a bureaucrat's permission—or jump through their regulatory or statutory hoops—to declassify anything”. 
https://www.newsweek.com/garland-wray-must-impeached-unconscionable-trump-raid-opinion-1733523

 I see the lefts ridiculous narrative that he stole documents another in the long line of manufactured spins. 

Why is it the Trump supporters are wrong on just about everything. 

It’s like they dwell in an alternative reality of fake news and conspiracy nonsense. 
 

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, riclag said:

He wasn’t on site when they came a calling he was in NY or NJ .

A reasonable person would be curious imop to know why a secret service rep or Trumps legal team wouldn’t be allowed to tag along and was asked by the fbi to shut down cctv while they scoured Trumps residence .

He was onsite when they retrieved classified documents in June:

 

Trump was present at the start of a June meeting with investigators but did not answer questions, while Trump’s lawyers showed agents documents—some of which were classified—and handed those marked as top secret or higher over to the investigators

https://www.forbes.com/sites/madelinehalpert/2022/08/11/fbi-reportedly-issued-subpoena-and-took-national-security-documents-from-mar-a-lago-months-before-raid/

 

Trump also has the cctv from the August search where they retrieved the latest batch of damning evidence, why does he not release it?

 

 

[riclag]

23 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

Why is it the Trump supporters are wrong on just about everything. 

It’s like they dwell in an alternative reality of fake news and conspiracy nonsense. 
 

Trust us we got experts who have a different perspective dealing with the unprecedented radical  act ,by bidens doj/fbi as i indicated in the comment source !

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

Trust us we got experts who have a different perspective dealing with the unprecedented radical  act ,by bidens doj/fbi as i indicated in the comment source !

Then you should tell Trump about them because he's looking for competent people to represent him in court.

 

Donald Trump is struggling to find lawyers willing to represent him

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-struggling-good-lawyers-still-075146599.html

Edited September 4, 2022 by ozimoron

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, riclag said:

Trust us we got experts who have a different perspective dealing with the unprecedented radical  act ,by bidens doj/fbi as i indicated in the comment source !

Trump needs to do better with those experts....lol

 

A familiar problem: Trump struggles to hire a legal defense team

Fearing the seriousness of the Mar-a-Lago scandal, Donald Trump wants to hire an impressive legal defense team, but good lawyers keep saying no.

 

Trump’s Legal Team Scrambles to Find an Argument

The lawyers representing the former president in the investigation into his handling of classified documents have tried out an array of defenses as they seek to hold off the Justice Department.

[riclag]

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

He was onsite when they retrieved classified documents in June:

 

Trump was present at the start of a June meeting with investigators but did not answer questions, while Trump’s lawyers showed agents documents—some of which were classified—and handed those marked as top secret or higher over to the investigators

https://www.forbes.com/sites/madelinehalpert/2022/08/11/fbi-reportedly-issued-subpoena-and-took-national-security-documents-from-mar-a-lago-months-before-raid/

 

Trump also has the cctv from the August search where they retrieved the latest batch of damning evidence, why does he not release it?

 

 

Talking about the dark day when fbi came a calling ! They told trumps lawyers not to follow.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-would-not-let-trump-attorneys-agents-raided-mar-a-lago-warrant-nara

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

Talking about the dark day when fbi came a calling ! They told trumps lawyers not to follow.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-would-not-let-trump-attorneys-agents-raided-mar-a-lago-warrant-nara

Trump was watching it from cctv....lol 

 

Why will he not release it?

Edited September 4, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, riclag said:

Talking about the dark day when fbi came a calling ! They told trumps lawyers not to follow.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-would-not-let-trump-attorneys-agents-raided-mar-a-lago-warrant-nara

That will be because they previously certified that the records had been returned to the FBI and were therefore targets of the investigation. I don't think anybody has a right to have lawyers present during a warrant search but I may be wrong on that point.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/31/donald-trump-lawyers-christina-bobb-evan-corcoran

Edited September 4, 2022 by ozimoron

[LarrySR]

8 minutes ago, riclag said:

Talking about the dark day when fbi came a calling ! They told trumps lawyers not to follow.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-would-not-let-trump-attorneys-agents-raided-mar-a-lago-warrant-nara

You're still quoting Fox News? 

 

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5 minutes ago, riclag said:

Talking about the dark day when fbi came a calling ! They told trumps lawyers not to follow.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-would-not-let-trump-attorneys-agents-raided-mar-a-lago-warrant-nara

Well, considering that it looks like Trump's lawyers lied when they claimed no more classified material was left, can you blame the FBI? These lawyers may wind up being targets of an obstruction of justice prosecution. And the FBI was under no obligation to let them be present in the areas that were being searched.

In addition, this article is chockful of lies. It claims that Trump was being cooperative. In fact, the June meeting was in response to a subpoena. So, no, neigher Trump nor his agents were being cooperative. There's a very strong case that in fact they were obstructing justice.

[Sparktrader]

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

The 43 empty TS/SCI and HCS folders are only part of what they got.

 

The retrieved actual TS/SCI documents, which the bloated one had zero right to have. That in and of itself is a crime, and ANYONE else caught with that stuff would be cuffed, perpwalked and jailed, because the mere presence is proof of guilt.

 

Perhaps you think he is so dumb he packed empty classified doc folders to take back? Never are such folders lying around, neither empty or with docs inside, so packing them is purposeful, not inadvertent.

 

He also lied about returning everything, when in the search the FBI found docs in his office desk. That, too, is proof of guilt. A first year law student working as a prosecutor could get a conviction on that.

You are making up your own theories.

[Sparktrader]

How come all the world's experts are on forums?

 

Amazing.

[Walker88]

3 hours ago, riclag said:

 

Its been reported.The documents with govt markings were declassified according  to kash patel trumps former aid and now one of his reps to the national archives! 

Kash patal is a flunky who has zero clue about the declassification system.

 

There is a procedure. The bloated one cannot just wave a magic wand over stuff and call it declassified. Agency heads must sign off, making sure no sources and methods are revealed. Then the WH Counsel signs them, classification headings are removed, and "DECLASSIFIED" is stamped on the docs.

 

If you know nothing, best you refrain from commenting.

 

45 broke the law. ANYBODY else would already be behind bars. He will be soon.

 

If all those docs were declassified, why not put them in KFC buckets or Macs Happy Meals, because DECLASSIFIED means anybody anywhere can see them.

 

 

 

 

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, Sparktrader said:

How come all the world's experts are on forums?

 

Amazing.

There are a few things in which I do happen to be expert.

 

One of them is the declassification system and the handling of classified docs. I carried TS/SCI for many years and not only classified hundreds or even thousands of documents, I was a check off on some that were declassified.

 

45 broke the law. Guilty just by possession. If he used them, or intended to use them for personal gain, that is 'conspiracy to commit espionage', is a capital offense, and he could (should) be executed.

[Walker88]

The intel community is doing a full damage assessment based on what was recovered by the FBI. They may well link the docs to clandestine assets who were rolled up since 45 lost. That isn't proof he is responsible, but it will certainly point the finger at him.

 

I have zero doubt he is a self-serving traitor. Taking the docs, lying about giving them all back, changing his story every other day (planted to declassified them to gave them all back) shows intent to deceive.

 

Odds he is indicted asymptotically approaching 100%.

[Walker88]

It sickens me that the festering pile of subhuman filth that is 45 carried docs marked HCS (Human Clandestine Sources) to his country club, some of which were found in his office desk.

 

Those sources were recruited and handled by CIA case officers who not only put their own lives on the line, but who knew full well that the clandestine assets put their lives and the lives of their families on the line by cooperating with US intel.

 

There are 139 stars on the wall in the lobby 45 disgraced with his 'all about me'[ speech on 21 January 2017. In the last 18 months, many clandestine assets in hostile nations have been rolled up, all of which suggests 45's tiny hands in it.

 

The bloated POS, who never served, has no concept of courage or bravery, and certainly no concern for any human life outside of his own.

 

Sickening. Treasonous. He doesn't deserve another single moment as a free man.

 

Step aside, Benedict Arnold; you've been overtaken by the bloated slug 45.

Edited September 4, 2022 by Walker88

[jvs]

For the Trump defenders,feast your eyes on this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Records_Act

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 hours ago, Walker88 said:

The 43 empty TS/SCI and HCS folders are only part of what they got.

 

The retrieved actual TS/SCI documents, which the bloated one had zero right to have. That in and of itself is a crime, and ANYONE else caught with that stuff would be cuffed, perpwalked and jailed, because the mere presence is proof of guilt.

 

Perhaps you think he is so dumb he packed empty classified doc folders to take back? Never are such folders lying around, neither empty or with docs inside, so packing them is purposeful, not inadvertent.

 

It could be that he took the papers in folders back home when he was  POTUS and when the FBI asked for the documents back , he gave the papers back but didn't give the folders back , which would explain why he had empty folders in his possession ? 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It could be that he took the papers in folders back home when he was  POTUS and when the FBI asked for the documents back , he gave the papers back but didn't give the folders back , which would explain why he had empty folders in his possession ? 

If that was true there would be records of document movements out of the White House. The FBI convinced a judge there was reason to believe Trump had not given them all back and had obstructed efforts to get them back. It's unlikely there's an innocent explanation I think.

[billd766]

20 hours ago, habanero said:

All I've seen is a photo of a bunch of cover sheets. Anyone can get them.

Of course they can. There is however a huge difference between getting cover sheets from EBay and getting the real thing.

 

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

Deleted post. Sorry